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drebo

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Fish is amazing off a Traeger btw (plus anything else...chicken etc.). If you get the digital thermostat (on sale right now for $70 from Traeger), you can precisely control the temperature a lot more, and do smoking on it (as low as 180F). Make sure you get food-grade pellets - not the kind of heating (chemicals & all). You can get a lot of different flavors by using different kinds of wood pellets. If you like flame-grilled stuff, you'll still want a cheap charcoal or gas grill, like for burgers...this is more of a smoker-convection oven, for convenience & test, than a flamethrower like a regular grill.

This, but I'd recommend against the Traegers. The newer ones just aren't that great. People I know that have them have had issues with the powder coats flaking off after a few months and issues with the augers and controls.

My recommendation is for the Green Mountain Grills Daniel Boone. I own one and it's amazing. Bigger and cheaper than the comparable Traeger (the Li'l Tex Elite) and it has a much better digital thermostat (5 degree resolution instead of 25 degrees like the Traeger). It also has an integrated meat thermometer.

Definitely another recommendation for a pellet-fed smoker. So versatile and amazing. Definitely worth the extra money.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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This, but I'd recommend against the Traegers. The newer ones just aren't that great. People I know that have them have had issues with the powder coats flaking off after a few months and issues with the augers and controls.

My recommendation is for the Green Mountain Grills Daniel Boone. I own one and it's amazing. Bigger and cheaper than the comparable Traeger (the Li'l Tex Elite) and it has a much better digital thermostat (5 degree resolution instead of 25 degrees like the Traeger). It also has an integrated meat thermometer.

Definitely another recommendation for a pellet-fed smoker. So versatile and amazing. Definitely worth the extra money.

I had heard that they moved their operations to China and the quality went down somewhat, but the reviews seemed hit or miss. Although I still haven't seen a pellet grill in the same price range as the smaller Junior model from Traeger (~$300ish). My dream pellet grill is a Memphis pellet grill, but the one I want is $3500+ and sort of needs a house to go along with it :biggrin:

http://www.memphisgrills.com/products/grills
 

drebo

Diamond Member
Feb 24, 2006
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I had heard that they moved their operations to China and the quality went down somewhat, but the reviews seemed hit or miss. Although I still haven't seen a pellet grill in the same price range as the smaller Junior model from Traeger (~$300ish). My dream pellet grill is a Memphis pellet grill, but the one I want is $3500+ and sort of needs a house to go along with it :biggrin:

http://www.memphisgrills.com/products/grills

The problem with the small Traeger Junior is that it's just too small. I haven't used the Junior, but even the Li'l Tex Elite is barely tall enough to do a standing chicken. And, again, unless you buy the digital thermometer, you're limited to Low, Medium and High temps. And even with it, there's only like 6 temps that they do.

The GMG Daniel Boone is big enough to do four standing chickens, and it gets hotter than the Traegers. I've got mine up to about 600 degrees. Of course, at that temp, the pellets run out REAL QUICK so I don't run it hot often.

That said, fish and veggies are amazing on a pellet grill. They can't be beat. So, if you can only afford the Traeger Junior, don't let the limitations turn you away!
 

acheron

Diamond Member
May 27, 2008
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If you use a charcoal chimney then your charcoal startup times diminish to 10-15 minutes.

I love charcoal but hated the pile method of lighting. Make a mound, douse in lighter fluid and then light it. With the chimney, all you need are some newspaper scraps. Since I started using the chimney, my lighter fluid has not been touched.

Anybody who loves grilling with charcoal needs to get a chimney. Not only does it save time but it uniformly ignites the charcoal in ways that the pile method cannot.

this x10. Charcoal really doesn't take that long if you do it right.
 

I Saw OJ

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Dec 13, 2004
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I'm reading that infrared is great for searing meats but not so good for fish and veggies. Any truth to this?

I dont cook too much fish on it but made some tuna steaks the other week and they were incredible. As far are veggies, we grill onions, peppers, potatoes, pineapple(so good) all the time and they come out great.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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i'm kind of wishing i would have gone with propane instead of charcoal.

Awww...what's the matter...does the charcoal irritate your tampon?



I don't find charcoal all that difficult to deal with, and I love the flavor over propane. Of course, I barbeque more than grill so it's kind of a must.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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If you use a charcoal chimney then your charcoal startup times diminish to 10-15 minutes.

I love charcoal but hated the pile method of lighting. Make a mound, douse in lighter fluid and then light it. With the chimney, all you need are some newspaper scraps. Since I started using the chimney, my lighter fluid has not been touched.

Anybody who loves grilling with charcoal needs to get a chimney. Not only does it save time but it uniformly ignites the charcoal in ways that the pile method cannot.

agreed. the chimney is great. also if you run out of newspaper (wich we do a lot. we only get paper 1 day a week. nobody delivers out here) just use very little starter fluid. works just as well and you don't need anywhere near the amount you do if you don't use the chimney.
 

NetWareHead

THAT guy
Aug 10, 2002
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agreed. the chimney is great. also if you run out of newspaper (wich we do a lot. we only get paper 1 day a week. nobody delivers out here) just use very little starter fluid. works just as well and you don't need anywhere near the amount you do if you don't use the chimney.

Yes you could do that as well. Although when I finally run out of lighter fluid, I just don't see myself needing to buy anymore now that I have the chimney. I have used paper towels, old cardboard as well to light a chimney. Even fatwood or dry kindling I found in the woods works equally well.

I just love how with the chimney, you dump the lit coals into the grill and every coal is red hot, fully lit and ready to go. You can begin cooking at that instant. With the pile method, the coals light inconsistently. You have some coals fully ashed over and others that have not yet been touched by fire.

I really think they should make a chimney standard issue equipment for any charcoal grill user. It greatly improves the user experience especially when so many people demand instant performance (and buy propane/electric grills instead). To continuously endorse the pile method and using lighter fluid I feel is a disservice to a charcoal grill. At least the owners manual should contain reference to the chimney and how it works better than the pile. ok I'm done ranting...
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
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this x10. Charcoal really doesn't take that long if you do it right.

Really? Mine still takes a good 40 minutes to ash over with a chimney, newspaper, and Kingston charcoal
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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This, but I'd recommend against the Traegers. The newer ones just aren't that great. People I know that have them have had issues with the powder coats flaking off after a few months and issues with the augers and controls.

My recommendation is for the Green Mountain Grills Daniel Boone. I own one and it's amazing. Bigger and cheaper than the comparable Traeger (the Li'l Tex Elite) and it has a much better digital thermostat (5 degree resolution instead of 25 degrees like the Traeger). It also has an integrated meat thermometer.

Definitely another recommendation for a pellet-fed smoker. So versatile and amazing. Definitely worth the extra money.

That's why I would hold off for a larger one, too - you can do whole turkeys & chickens inside, or two even, on the larger ones.

There's a place near my in-laws that specializes in pellet-grilled fish...so amazingly good :awe:
 

NetWareHead

THAT guy
Aug 10, 2002
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Really? Mine still takes a good 40 minutes to ash over with a chimney, newspaper, and Kingston charcoal

Kingston charcoal? Or do you mean Kingsford briquettes? If I kept the briquettes in the chimney for 40 minutes, the ones in the bottom and center would be almost spent.

I usually dump the chimney in the grill when flames a few inches tall are exiting from the top of the chimney. I dont let the briquettes ash over completely. Some ash will be visible in the briquettes at the top of the chimney but thats fine.
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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Whatever you do, buy it during off season. Right now is the worst time to buy.

Also, stay away from the instore brands.....they will only last you a year or 2. Go with Weber and in the end you will save yourself a lot of money.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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I'm reading that infrared is great for searing meats but not so good for fish and veggies. Any truth to this?

True. It's a very dry and intense heat, so it's OK for beef and lamb that can be eaten rare, but bad for things that have to be cooked all the way through.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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Those are good options, but one thing you might want to be aware of is that the Q320 only comes with porcelein coated cast iron cooking grates. Some people love those, and some people hate them. If you are in the latter group, Weber does not (to my knowledge) offer replacement stainless steel grates for that model.

Since you are looking at small Webers, you might want to consider the 2 burner Spirit as well. http://www.amazon.com/Weber-46110001.../dp/B0098HR0PY

At $399 it is (very) expensive for a 2 burner grill, but it will give you a little more flexibility than the Q320 with the same cooking capacity. That said, I'm not sure I would pay $399 (or any dollar amount) for any two burner grill, as the lack of a third (or fourth) burner severely limits what one can do with the grill. Indirect cooking in particular will suffer, as a single burner will likely not be able to maintain the grill at temp when the outside temperature falls. That is a big concern for me, because I grill at least 200 times a year and roughly half the time the outside temp is less than 50 degrees. If you are in a warmer climate, the lack of BTUS in the 2 burner models may not be a problem.

Hmm. Based on your concerns of the Spirit E210 having only two burners, would it be worth it to go to the Spirit E310 for $499?

Or go with the 3 burner Ducane already posted - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...U?tag=at055-20

Or just stick with the Weber Q320.

The Char-Broils aren't getting the best reviews on Amazon.

Thanks to everyone for the great information so far.
 

RagingBITCH

Lifer
Sep 27, 2003
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Really? Mine still takes a good 40 minutes to ash over with a chimney, newspaper, and Kingston charcoal

Err...yea you're doing something wrong if it takes 40 minutes with a chimney starter. Even if you filled it to the brim.
 

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
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Hmm. Based on your concerns of the Spirit E210 having only two burners, would it be worth it to go to the Spirit E310 for $499?

Or go with the 3 burner Ducane already posted - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...U?tag=at055-20

Or just stick with the Weber Q320.

The Char-Broils aren't getting the best reviews on Amazon.

Thanks to everyone for the great information so far.

You should make the decision based on what you intend to do with the grill. I do a lot of indirect grilling, so for me a grill must have at least 3 burners or its not worth having. But if you simply want to grill some steaks, burgers, etc. using direct heat, a two burner would be fine. I wouldn't spend $400 on a two burner grill in any case, because you get can almost the same results with a $99-$130 char broil. Sure the char broil might burn up in 2 years, but you can replace it three times over before you hit the q210 price point, and by the time you need to replace the char broil you might have decided to upgrade to a grill with more flexibility.

In any case, the Q320 is a nice little grill. I have no qualms with it other than the point I made re: the porcelein coated cast iron grates, and the fact that it is a little too small for my needs. That said, my opinion is that you can't really go wrong with any of the Weber products. They cost a bit more and they can be a bit under powered (relative to other grills at the same price point), but they are built like tanks, customer service is great, and parts will be easy to find if and when you need them.

Good luck and happy grilling!
 

colonelciller

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Sep 29, 2012
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gas = convenience but low heat and manditorily lower quality finished food
gas + "infrared" = convenience, high quality finishedfood - but a stupidly overpriced grill

charcoal = less convenience, super high heat and therfore the possibility for amazing taste on finished food...and very reasonable grill price


so unless you aregoing to spend a silly amount of money on a grill, your choices are
a) *high heat, better taste, lower cost, longer time to eat (more time to chillax grillside with a beer and savor some man-time), potential to work on your grilling mastery skills and wow guests with unbelievable food CHARCOAL GRILL

b) *low heat, okay taste, slightly higher cost, short time to eat GAS GRILL
 

Uppsala9496

Diamond Member
Nov 2, 2001
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Gas does not equal low heat! My Weber spirit e-310 will put out so much heat that my temperature probe will fail (cord fails at 550*). And there really is no need to cook at such a high temperature unless you are doing something like a pizza.

I have my gas grill for grilling. I have my charcoal grill/smoker for smoking/BBQing. On a work night I am not firing up the smoker since it takes exponentially longer to heat up/cook/cool down.

Each has their use, so get both.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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of you aren't getting high heat with a gas grill you aren't doing it right.
 

Uppsala9496

Diamond Member
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Gas grills do have a safety device that could accidentally trip which will restrict the flow of gas. This can happen 2 different ways.
The first way for the device to be activated is to leave one or more burner control knobs in the “ON” position when the LP cylinder valve is opened.
The second is not to wait long enough to “start” the grill after opening the LP cylinder valve.
 

NetWareHead

THAT guy
Aug 10, 2002
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gas = convenience but low heat and manditorily lower quality finished food
gas + "infrared" = convenience, high quality finishedfood - but a stupidly overpriced grill

charcoal = less convenience, super high heat and therfore the possibility for amazing taste on finished food...and very reasonable grill price


so unless you aregoing to spend a silly amount of money on a grill, your choices are
a) *high heat, better taste, lower cost, longer time to eat (more time to chillax grillside with a beer and savor some man-time), potential to work on your grilling mastery skills and wow guests with unbelievable food CHARCOAL GRILL

b) *low heat, okay taste, slightly higher cost, short time to eat GAS GRILL


Low heat?? Don't know what kind of gas/propane grill you have worked with to give you the low heat impression. My propane weber grill can easily burn anything and can leave nice sear marks on meat/veggies etc... My charcoal grill can get hotter, but only because you can raise the fuel bed very high, about 1-2 inches away from the food; good for when you want to put a sear on steaks etc...
 

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
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<snip> My Weber spirit e-310 will put out so much heat that my temperature probe will fail (cord fails at 550*). And there really is no need to cook at such a high temperature unless you are doing something like a pizza.</snip>

There are a lot of foods that benefit from cooking at high heat. Ever had grilled baked potatoes that were cooked at 600-700 degrees? They are awesome and quite different from an oven cooked baked potato that was prepared at lower temp. The high temperature induces different changes in the starch, resulting in a different product.

Here are a couple of good grilled baked potato recipes I use a lot:

Ingredients:
Couple good size baking potatoes, washed.

option 1: One white onion, sliced into circular slices (you need once slice per potato). Garlic and herb butter (butter + garlic, rosemary, salt and pepper to taste)

Option 2: Melted sea salt, cracked pepper and paprika butter (butter + sea salt + fresh ground pepper + paprika to taste)


For option 1, slice the uncooked potatoes length wise. Brush the inside and out liberally with the garlic and herb butter. Sandwich a slice of onion between the two halves and wrap the potato/onion/potato "sandwich" in aluminum foil. Put a pad of the garlic and herb butter inside the foil on the top of the sandwich. Try to "tent" the foil over the top of the potato, so that there is an air gap between the potato and the inside of the foil. As the potato cooks, moisture from the butter and the potato will rise, condense on the foil, and drip down on the potato, self basting it as it cooks.

For option 2, use a fork to poke many small holes in the potatoes. The tines of the fork should go about half way in. This step is important, as the holes will allow steam from the potato to escape while it is cooking at high temp. If you don't poke the holes, the potato could explode during the cooking process (its happened to me and it ain't fun). Brush the outside of the potatoes liberally with the melted butter.

For both options - set grill up for indirect cooking. If you have a three burner gas grill, turn the outside burners to high and leave the middle burner off. If you have charcoal, move the lit coals to one side of the grill, creating a hot side and a "cold" side." Your grill should reach at least 450 degrees when set up this way. Hotter is better for these recipes, so cooking at 500, 600, or even 700 degrees is fine.

Place the potatoes in the "cold" region of the grill. For the gas option above, the potatoes would go in the middle of the grill.

Close the lid and don't open it for at least 20-30 minutes.

At the 20-30 minute mark, check the potatoes. For option 1 - you might want to open the foil tent and add another pad of butter. For option 2 - brush the outside of the potatoes liberally with the melted butter and turn them over. Close the lid again.

At 45 minutes, repeat the process performed at the 20-30 minute mark. Depending on your cooking temperature, the potatoes might be done. Test by sliding a steak knife into the largest potato until you reach the middle. If it slides in easily, the potatoes are done. If they are not done, close the lid for another 20 minutes and check again.

Once the potatoes are done, take them off the grill and let them rest for at least 5 minutes. Serve with extra butter or other desired condiments, and get ready for compliments.

Easy homemade butter recipe -

Ingredients:

1-2 quarts of heavy cream
Salt, pepper and herbs to taste.

Instructions - put cream in food processor. Process the cream continuously for 5-10 minutes. The cream will go through several stages. First the fat will begin to separate, then the the cream will "whip," and eventually the fat will seize, resulting in a butter fraction and a whey/liquid fraction. Try to stop processing shortly after the fat seizes, as too much processing will result in a very hard butter. It will still taste good, but it won't be as easy to use.

Once you have butter, drain the liquid and add the seasoning (salt, pepper, herbs, etc.) Blend again for 30 seconds to 1 minute to thoroughly mix in the seasoning. Voila! In ~15 minutes you have homemade seasoned butter. If refrigerated, it will last ~1-2 weeks. You'll know when it starts to go bad.








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waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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There are a lot of foods that benefit from cooking at high heat. Ever had grilled baked potatoes that were cooked at 600-700 degrees? They are awesome and quite different from an oven cooked baked potato that was prepared at lower temp. The high temperature induces different changes in the starch, resulting in a different product.

Here are a couple of good grilled baked potato recipes I use a lot:

Ingredients:
Couple good size baking potatoes, washed.

option 1: One white onion, sliced into circular slices (you need once slice per potato). Garlic and herb butter (butter + garlic, rosemary, salt and pepper to taste)

Option 2: Melted sea salt, cracked pepper and paprika butter (butter + sea salt + fresh ground pepper + paprika to taste)


For option 1, slice the uncooked potatoes length wise. Brush the inside and out liberally with the garlic and herb butter. Sandwich a slice of onion between the two halves and wrap the potato/onion/potato "sandwich" in aluminum foil. Put a pad of the garlic and herb butter inside the foil on the top of the sandwich. Try to "tent" the foil over the top of the potato, so that there is an air gap between the potato and the inside of the foil. As the potato cooks, moisture from the butter and the potato will rise, condense on the foil, and drip down on the potato, self basting it as it cooks.

For option 2, use a fork to poke many small holes in the potatoes. The tines of the fork should go about half way in. This step is important, as the holes will allow steam from the potato to escape while it is cooking at high temp. If you don't poke the holes, the potato could explode during the cooking process (its happened to me and it ain't fun). Brush the outside of the potatoes liberally with the melted butter.

For both options - set grill up for indirect cooking. If you have a three burner gas grill, turn the outside burners to high and leave the middle burner off. If you have charcoal, move the lit coals to one side of the grill, creating a hot side and a "cold" side." Your grill should reach at least 450 degrees when set up this way. Hotter is better for these recipes, so cooking at 500, 600, or even 700 degrees is fine.

Place the potatoes in the "cold" region of the grill. For the gas option above, the potatoes would go in the middle of the grill.

Close the lid and don't open it for at least a 20-30 minutes.

At the 20-30 minute mark, check the potatoes. For option 1 - you might want to open the foil tent and add another pad of butter. For option 2 - brush the outside of the potatoes liberally with the melted butter and turn them over. Close the lid again.

At 45 minutes, repeat the process performed at the 20-30 minute mark. Depending on your cooking temperature, the potatoes might be done. Test by sliding a steak knife into the largest potato until you reach the middle. If it slides in easily, the potatoes are done. If they are not done, close the lid for another 20 minutes and check again.

Once the potatoes are done, take them off the grill and let them rest for at least 5 minutes. Serve with extra butter or other desired condiments, and get ready for compliments.



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ohh i'm going to try those. they sound great!
 
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