Question need to replace an hdd

[daggs1]

Greetings,

one of my spinpoint f1 hdds on my raid5 is dying, so it is time to replace it, my options are rather limited so it comes down to the WDC Blue or WDC Black.
beside the warranty diff, is there other diff between the black and blue? I haven't found any.
is there any reason to go with the black performance wise?

Thanks.

 

[Shmee]

None of these are really meant to be RAID drives. That said, the black will be faster and more reliable typically.

 

[daggs1]

Greetings,

None of these are really meant to be RAID drives. That said, the black will be faster and more reliable typically.

it is a sw raid, not an hw raid.

I ran a compare between the two drives on newegg and found nothing different, so when you say faster, you mean that there are some features which aren't specified in the data sheet in which the black is better?

 

[Shmee]

Are these 1TB drives versions of the drives?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Greetings,


it is a sw raid, not an hw raid.

I ran a compare between the two drives on newegg and found nothing different, so when you say faster, you mean that there are some features which aren't specified in the data sheet in which the black is better?

you'll have to provide the models. Blue drives have both a 5400 rpm and 7200 rpm model. Black drives are 7200 rpm. Blue drives have 2 year warranty, black drives have 5.

 

[daggs1]

Are these 1TB drives versions of the drives?

yes.

you'll have to provide the models. Blue drives have both a 5400 rpm and 7200 rpm model. Black drives are 7200 rpm. Blue drives have 2 year warranty, black drives have 5.

I'm looking at the WD10EZEX and the WD1003FZEX

 

[ch33zw1z]

You'll likely notice no difference between those models in a RAID5 config.

 

[daggs1]

You'll likely notice no difference between those models in a RAID5 config.

so is there any reason to go with the black one?

 

[ch33zw1z]

so is there any reason to go with the black one?

theyre better drives overall. it's really up to you, do you care if it lasts more than 2 years? or would you rather save $30?

 

[daggs1]

theyre better drives overall. it's really up to you, do you care if it lasts more than 2 years? or would you rather save $30?

I've learnt that even a 5yo drive can die after 3 years.
imho it is an issue of luck

 

[ch33zw1z]

I've learnt that even a 5yo drive can die after 3 years.
imho it is an issue of luck

that's not the debate, the debate is whether or not you want to RMA it, or just buy another because it's out of warranty.

 

[daggs1]

that is correct, I need to think it over as if I add 20$ more to the 30$, I can get two blue ones.

thanks for the info.

 

[SimplyComplex]

Blue all the way. Paying 60% more for a better warranty on a 1tb drive is silly.
Odds are, that Blue will last until you're ready to replace your HDD raid with a ssd raid. And even if it fails, you're looking at $30 replacement, which is almost the difference in blue vs black price.

If this were $30 more for a 6TB black - I'd go with the black. For a 1tb drive retailing at $45, it's crazy to spend more for black. That WD Black is selling for what 500gb ssds go for.

 

[daggs1]

Blue all the way. Paying 60% more for a better warranty on a 1tb drive is silly.
Odds are, that Blue will last until you're ready to replace your HDD raid with a ssd raid. And even if it fails, you're looking at $30 replacement, which is almost the difference in blue vs black price.

If this were $30 more for a 6TB black - I'd go with the black. For a 1tb drive retailing at $45, it's crazy to spend more for black. That WD Black is selling for what 500gb ssds go for.

I don't see any possibility in the near future of me going into ssd, raid or no raid. I just dot believe it worth it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Blue all the way. Paying 60% more for a better warranty on a 1tb drive is silly.

ESPECIALLY, since, according to pictures, the "new" WD Black 1TB 7200RPM drives, have an IDENTICAL casing/motors/etc., to the 1TB Blue drives.

Basically, they may be binning for reliability, but chances are, they are primarily just charging more than double, for an extended warranty.

WD Black drives ARE nice, and even if they are the same as the Blues, they do seem to last a while. (Have a friend with a 5-yo WD Black 500GB drive, still working.)

But I've heard stories of some WD Blue 7200RPM HDDs lasting more than 3-5 years as well. Not all of them, but enough that I might be willing to take that chance, especially if there is redundancy in the system, and the Blue drives are significantly cheaper.

 

[daggs1]

ESPECIALLY, since, according to pictures, the "new" WD Black 1TB 7200RPM drives, have an IDENTICAL casing/motors/etc., to the 1TB Blue drives.

Basically, they may be binning for reliability, but chances are, they are primarily just charging more than double, for an extended warranty.

WD Black drives ARE nice, and even if they are the same as the Blues, they do seem to last a while. (Have a friend with a 5-yo WD Black 500GB drive, still working.)

But I've heard stories of some WD Blue 7200RPM HDDs lasting more than 3-5 years as well. Not all of them, but enough that I might be willing to take that chance, especially if there is redundancy in the system, and the Blue drives are significantly cheaper.

like this one?

smartctl 7.0 2018-12-30 r4883 [x86_64-linux-5.0.11-gentoo] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-18, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Caviar Blue (SATA)
Device Model:     WDC WD3200AAKS-00B3A0
Serial Number:    WD-WCAT13537649
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 1568e1647
Firmware Version: 01.03A01
User Capacity:    320,072,933,376 bytes [320 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 2.5, 3.0 Gb/s
Local Time is:    Sun May  5 19:11:08 2019 IDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84) Offline data collection activity
                                        was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
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Total time to complete Offline
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                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
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                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
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SCT capabilities:              (0x303f) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
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193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   199   199   000    Old_age   Always       -       3494
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   111   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       32
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
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# 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     37778         -
# 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     11482         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
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Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, I had some of those AAKS family drives. I think that I used them for years, and then sold them off when I upgraded. I think that they still didn't have any bad sectors.