Netflix - Making a Murderer

[MongGrel]

So I read 14 pages of the first interrogation, do you want me to read everything? And what in particular you want me to pay attention to? Because it's the same thing... The same routine by Fassbender and Wiegert.

You were the guy that was giving me hell for not being interested enough in the show.

Make up your fucking mind.

And I'm still not going to watch the last 5.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So why do you keep coming back to the thread? I mean, you aren't interested enough to do any research, so why comment?

 

[slayer202]

You were the guy that was giving me hell for not being interested enough in the show.

Make up your fucking mind.

And I'm still not going to watch the last 5.

then stop posting here?

 

[chimaxi83]

You were the guy that was giving me hell for not being interested enough in the show.

Make up your fucking mind.

And I'm still not going to watch the last 5.

Would you stfu already and gtfo of the thread?

 

[Phokus]

Ken Kratz was diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder oh boy

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur...n_kratz_has_been_diagnosed_with_narcissistic/

 

[joutlaw]

The video of

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Theresa saying she was prepared to died and she lived a good life was pretty strange to me. Was she depressed or suicidal?

It seems like there is more to that part of the story.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Ken Kratz was diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder oh boy

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur...n_kratz_has_been_diagnosed_with_narcissistic/

Disturbing. Very disturbing actually. D:

I love this comment:

[–]TankSparkle 79 points 16 hours ago
In other news, the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow.
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[–]cincyfan04 26 points 13 hours ago
I bet the prosecution could prove otherwise.

lol. So true.

 

[BeeBoop]

I finally finished all episodes. It was great and loved the ending. Kinda makes me want to go sign the petition.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Signed it myself.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...eir-alleged-involvement-murder-teresa-halbach

 

[slayer202]

read this and the full transcript near the bottom before you call for a pardon (which would be extreme even without reading anything outside the documentary series)

http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movie...-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php

the brendan/barb convo is a lot more suspicious than they ever make it seem. and this is just one convo. I'm sure other calls have similar "interesting" details

Brendan: Yeah. So if I was in the garage cleaning up that stuff on the floor, how much time will I get though for that?
Barb: What was it?
Brendan: I don't know. It was this reddish-black stuff

Did the interrogators say anything about this?

 

[CraKaJaX]

A lot of the stuff on that list is 'meh' for me. Some brief comments......

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1) His past includes animal cruelty. One event in his past cannot even begin to go up against DNA proof.

2) The bullet came from Avery's gun? What's to say that during the WEEKS that they searched his place (and let's not forget the bullet was NOT FOUND the first time through... but magically appeared 5 months later) that Lenk didn't fire this from the gun himself? He was already in the house once, he probably saw the gun hanging there... and it's not hard to wear a pair of gloves to keep any prints off.

3) The purchasing of handcuffs and leg irons that Dassey described with the little help of investigators grinding him for HOURS with no legal support. Thrown out.

4) Fingerprints on the hood latch. Whoever wrote this "doesn't believe" the police would plant/know to plant these? Are you kidding me? This is something they do for a living. They know where DNA is often found. Of course they knew where to plant it.

The really big ? is that they are claiming she was murdered. Where? The garage, bedroom, trailer - doesn't matter. There was NO blood evidence found. If you slash someone's throat, it's going to be a complete MESS and damn near impossible to hide the evidence with the forensic technology these days. If we still assume that she was killed somewhere inside his residence, why is her blood/hair all over the back of the Rav4 if they burned her body so close to the place? It just doesn't make sense.

What I am still wondering about is more evidence behind the RAV4. They talked about all the stuff INSIDE the RAV4 but I was wondering if there was anything on the outside. IE, tire tracks? They would be able to see it's general path. They mentioned multiple entries to the lot. Maybe foot prints? Matching soles is common in dirt/mud. I know it was during the colder months, but any little bit helps in this case. For anyone who watches Forensic Files, this is a common match maker for finding suspects.

 

[slayer202]

agreed on the blood, but the cat thing if true, is a lot more harsh than steven describes in the series. doused in oil and thrown in the fire vs. tossed the cat across the fire and he went up in flames. of course that doesn't prove anything but combined with the supposed attraction to Teresa, the handcuff purchase etc, that's all important information combined with the actual physical evidence that seems suspicious on its own, but becomes more believable all together.

I'm leaning towards Steven is guilty and the police were unethical in how they investigated the case. I think Brendan knew some details but was forced into adding details that weren't true.

 

[Zee]

agreed on the blood, but the cat thing if true, is a lot more harsh than steven describes in the series. doused in oil and thrown in the fire vs. tossed the cat across the fire and he went up in flames. of course that doesn't prove anything but combined with the supposed attraction to Teresa, the handcuff purchase etc, that's all important information combined with the actual physical evidence that seems suspicious on its own, but becomes more believable all together.

I'm leaning towards Steven is guilty and the police were unethical in how they investigated the case. I think Brendan knew some details but was forced into adding details that weren't true.

i dont think he did. He was speaking pretty plainly to his mom on the prison phone. He really did just play playstation all day and then went to the bonfire.

 

[ImpulsE69]

read this and the full transcript near the bottom before you call for a pardon (which would be extreme even without reading anything outside the documentary series)

http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movie...-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php

the brendan/barb convo is a lot more suspicious than they ever make it seem. and this is just one convo. I'm sure other calls have similar "interesting" details

Brendan: Yeah. So if I was in the garage cleaning up that stuff on the floor, how much time will I get though for that?
Barb: What was it?
Brendan: I don't know. It was this reddish-black stuff

Did the interrogators say anything about this?

The problem with all of that is that it makes no sense just like most of his statements, he is all over the place. I honestly dont think he has a clue what he's talking about...

As for the cat thing, I've noticed LOTS of people suddenly get pretty emotional over that. The truth is that many (redneck/low IQ types) dislike cats. It is not uncommon for them to be tortured/killed around here. This is not something to me that makes the jump to murderer.

What I do find odd is the petition to free them. I don't want them free just yet...I want a fair trial. If that is even possible at this point.

 

[Phokus]

I'm convinced Brendan is innocent... Steve may or may not have done it but even if he did, he sure as hell didn't do it the way the prosecution made their case on.

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There's no way there's no blood all over the damn place if he shot her in the head in that damn garage with so much junk in it. Steve has a below average IQ, he's not some criminal mastermind

 

[ImpulsE69]

OP - question: Is it legal to have 2 completely different statements in 2 cases that conflict? Speaking about Kratz closing arguments regarding the murder location and the number of people who were involved.

1. Avery's case - he says only 1 man did this in the trailer
2. Dassey's case - he says they both did it, in the garage.

To me I would think the judge would have said something about this. Was Brendens defense not aware of this?

 

[slayer202]

there was a dean strang interview recently where that question was asked, and basically it's allowed. he gave the example of two trials for men involved in a crime, and only one of them was the gunman. both were tried as being the gunman

 

[ImpulsE69]

there was a dean strang interview recently where that question was asked, and basically it's allowed. he gave the example of two trials for men involved in a crime, and only one of them was the gunman. both were tried as being the gunman

That makes sense to me, except in this case, it means that they don't have enough evidence to convict either one. They made up scenarios to fit a guilty verdict, but the evidence would be conflicting in at least one of them due to the location. They essentially said, "We don't know where it happened, or which of these guys did it, but we know it happened somewhere by someone"

 

[slayer202]

it seems like the state has a lot more leeway in many ways. they can speculate, but the defense can't.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Apparently a juror contacted the makers of the film recently stating that he thinks the cops framed them - but they did guilty verdict because they were scared.

Too early to say if this is BS or not...

 

[Zee]

read this and the full transcript near the bottom before you call for a pardon (which would be extreme even without reading anything outside the documentary series)

http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movie...-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php

the brendan/barb convo is a lot more suspicious than they ever make it seem. and this is just one convo. I'm sure other calls have similar "interesting" details

Brendan: Yeah. So if I was in the garage cleaning up that stuff on the floor, how much time will I get though for that?
Barb: What was it?
Brendan: I don't know. It was this reddish-black stuff

Did the interrogators say anything about this?

he said later on that he was guessing how things went. The black fluid can simply be tranny fluid. Like at this point, he was writing a story/making a movie in his head.... guided by the 2 idiots agents.

also, we can chill out with the spoiler tagging. its obvious you dont come in to this thread if you dont want to see spoilers.

 

[slayer202]

that part was where he was talking to his mom. why would he be asking that question? I haven't read the investigator interview transcripts yet to see if that part came up

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.hlntv.com/shows/morning-...5/nancy-grace-making-a-murderer?cid=H57183a10

Nancy Grace HATES the documentary and swears the guy did it.

 

[Chiropteran]

Apparently a juror contacted the makers of the film recently stating that he thinks the cops framed them - but they did guilty verdict because they were scared.

Too early to say if this is BS or not...

Here is the article-

http://www.businessinsider.com/steven-avery-juror-believes-police-framed-2016-1

The filmmakers said the unnamed juror told them the juror's vote to find Avery guilty was made out of fear.

"Obviously we asked this person, 'So, explain what happened, why did you cast your vote for guilty?'" Demos said on "Today." "And what they told us was they feared for their personal safety."

 

[iamwiz82]

there was a dean strang interview recently where that question was asked, and basically it's allowed. he gave the example of two trials for men involved in a crime, and only one of them was the gunman. both were tried as being the gunman

Here it is, right around 9 min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9h5C901lGE