Netscape vs IE

[HansXP]

IE all the way. My school has Netscrap and I am forced to use it there, dirty dirty dirty.

 

[sinunbeso]

The new version of Opera is very fast. But the ad bar turns me off.

 

[sk560]

i'll go for IE and mozilla !!!!!

 

[Hyperblaze]

I prefer using a web browser which supports W3C standards then one which violates them.

The only good excuse to use IE is to download netscape with it.

 

[Ornery]

I use Netscape6/6.01 for testing on occasion. The few times I do it crashes 50% of the time before I'm done with it. That's a 1 hour session maximum. Fortunatly, it doesn't take the whole OS (Win98SE) down with it. Will the newer version work any better?

 

[Random Variable]

<< I prefer using a web browser which supports W3C standards then one which violates them.

The only good excuse to use IE is to download netscape with it. >>


Alternative browsers will forever "suck" as long as most major web sites continue to ignore W3C standards, and instead design their web sites exclusively for IE.

 

[Random Variable]

<< use Netscape6/6.01 for testing on occasion. The few times I do it crashes 50% of the time before I'm done with it. That's a 1 hour session maximum. Fortunatly, it doesn't take the whole OS (Win98SE) down with it. Will the newer version work any better? >>


Yes. But download Mozilla, not Netscape.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< prefer using a web browser which supports W3C standards then one which violates them. >>

And that should concern us why? Spill the beans, am I sitting here content with IE when all this time I should be furious because it doesn't support..uh what was that? Oh yeah .. W3C standards.


Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

 

[Danman]

Ugh......I am not a big fan of Netscape so I vote for IE.

 

[Hyperblaze]

<<

<< I prefer using a web browser which supports W3C standards then one which violates them.

The only good excuse to use IE is to download netscape with it. >>


Alternative browsers will forever "suck" as long as most major web sites continue to ignore W3C standards, and instead design their web sites exclusively for IE. >>



You have a very good point. Unfortunately, the only way to stop this is to educate the public. And this is hard since a lot of people are very stubborn. Heck, some
people don't even know what W3C standards mean...or much less care.

 

[Random Variable]

<< And that should concern us why? Spill the beans, am I sitting here content with IE when all this time I should be furious because it doesn't support..uh what was that? Oh yeah .. W3C standards.


Sometimes ignorance is bliss. >>


because it prevents the Internet from becoming compatible with only one browser

 

[Hyperblaze]

<<

<< prefer using a web browser which supports W3C standards then one which violates them. >>

And that should concern us why? Spill the beans, am I sitting here content with IE when all this time I should be furious because it doesn't support..uh what was that? Oh yeah .. W3C standards.


Sometimes ignorance is bliss. >>




There is a huge philosophical (sp?) debate on this, one which I am prepared to go in if you will keep an open mind. Short version though, is that this is about freedom of
choice. If a web site has a page which fully supports the W3C standards, then ALL browsers can access it without any problems. If, however, you have a web browser
which can access things which are not W3C compliant (such as IE) and other browsers can't, you'll be under the impression that you'll be FORCED to use one
particular browser huh?

Yes, I do agree, sometimes ignorance is bliss, but you shouldn't be ignorant forever.

If you would be interested in more information, check http://www.w3c.org

 

[Nemesis77]

<<

<< prefer using a web browser which supports W3C standards then one which violates them. >>

And that should concern us why? Spill the beans, am I sitting here content with IE when all this time I should be furious because it doesn't support..uh what was that? Oh yeah .. W3C standards.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. >>



Internet became the huge success it is because it is:

1. Open
2. Free

Meaning: It was not proprietary. Anyone could have used it. It used open standards, so anyone could design a client to access it (I'm talking about WWW here).

Would Internet be free and open if you could only access it with ONE proprietary web-browser? Not it would not. And that would go against the very essence on which Internet formed upon: openness and freedom. Are you willing to give up your freedom for the bottom line of Microsoft? I'm not. Remember: IE does not give IE for free to be nice. They do it for their own profit and control. MS is for-profit corporation, it doesn't care for their customers, they care about their shareholder value and profits. Only time they care for their customers is when it benefits those two things.

Had Internet been proprietary product of a for-profit corporation it would have NEVER become so succesfull! It's succesfull because it's open and free. But if the means to access it is not open and free, neither is the Internet.

 

[Red Dawn]

So is it the Web Site Developer who are at fault for using tool that only IE can read or is it MS's fault for supplying them with those tools? Is it easier to build a site that doesn't support W3C standards? Is this the reason Netscape sucks so hard?

 

[Ornery]

Yikes! Which of these Mozilla Releases should I download? Looks like the smallest download is 27 MB! Sheesh, I'm on dialup here.

 

[Random Variable]

<< So is it the Web Site Developer who are at fault for using tool that only IE can read or is it MS's fault for supplying them with those tools? Is it easier to build a site that doesn't support W3C standards? Is this the reason Netscape sucks so hard? >>


They are both to blame. And no, it is not easier to build a web site that doesn't support W3C standards. Most web site developers just assume that everyone uses IE, so they tailor their web sites for IE.

 

[Hyperblaze]

<< So is it the Web Site Developer who are at fault for using tool that only IE can read or is it MS's fault for supplying them with those tools? Is it easier to build a site that doesn't support W3C standards? Is this the reason Netscape sucks so hard? >>



It is Microsoft's fault for supplying them with those tools yes. And that is why it's important to make the web site developer realize this. Some don't know. And unfortunately,
some don't care. The ones who don't care are probably the ones which have something they find really cool which can be only viewed with IE and they don't want to get
rid of it or something like that. if it's easier to build a web site with W3C standards? Well, unfortunately, probably not. A half broken web site would probably still be able to get viewed
correctly under IE while it would show bugs in netscape, and other browsers. You see...IE has been noobified. It used to be that it actually took some knowledge of HTML code to build
a web page correctly. Now, just about any moron can do it, but probably only those with IE will be able to view it. Okay, that's going a little extreme, but hopefully you see
my point.


I don't know why you say that Netscape sucks so hard. I've always enjoyed it. But I must admit that when Netscape 6.0 to 6.1 was out, I was sticking with Netscape 4.7x,
but Netscape 6.2 is actually very nice, that's what I'm using right now. As for why they decide to skip the version 5 series, that's beyond my understanding.

 

[Random Variable]

<< Yikes! Which of these Mozilla Releases should I download? Looks like the smallest download is 27 MB! Sheesh, I'm on dialup here >>


Download the most recent build--0.9.6. And it's not 27MB.

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla0.9.6/mozilla-win32-0.9.6-stub-installer.exe

 

[Random Variable]

Oh, BTW, IE is not capable of properly displaying many W3C compliant web pages.

 

[Hyperblaze]

<< Yikes! Which of these Mozilla Releases should I download? Looks like the smallest download is 27 MB! Sheesh, I'm on dialup here. >>



Um...I'm not quite sure. Mozilla was already on my system after I installed the OS (linux). Just be careful to download it for the correct OS

 

[Hyperblaze]

<< Oh, BTW, IE is not capable of properly displaying many W3C compliant web pages. >>



That's news to me. That's hilarious! Good laugh on a sunday!

 

[Ornery]

Thanks for that link, Vespasian. The browser only download was about 7.5MB. Installed fine, but I got this error after about 5 minutes. I sent the info to the "Talkback", "Quality Feedback Agent".

I'm adjusting preferences and I can't find a way to make the Forward, Back, Stop and Reload buttons smaller. I see you can use a "Classic" theme and others apparently. I'd be happy to just shrink that button bar to about half it's current width.

I haven't rebooted since it installed. Didn't even reboot then. IE is up and running along with it and was running when it crashed. Netscape 6 crashed even when IE wasn't loaded. Guess I'll reboot and try it a while more...

 

[gopunk]

<< Oh, BTW, IE is not capable of properly displaying many W3C compliant web pages. >>



same with mozilla. neither of the two browsers have full css 2 support.

 

[Random Variable]

<< Thanks for that link, Vespasian. The browser only download was about 7.5MB. Installed fine, but I got this error after about 5 minutes. I sent the info to the "Talkback", "Quality Feedback Agent".

I'm adjusting preferences and I can't find a way to make the Forward, Back, Stop and Reload buttons smaller. I see you can use a "Classic" theme and others apparently. I'd be happy to just shrink that button bar to about half it's current width.

I haven't rebooted since it installed. Didn't even reboot then. IE is up and running along with it and was running when it crashed. Netscape 6 crashed even when IE wasn't loaded. Guess I'll reboot and try it a while more... >>


Did you delete Netscape before you installed Mozilla?

 

[Ornery]

I'm using Mozilla after a fresh reboot to post this. IE isn't active and hasn't been started since the reboot.

One more question. I used to be able to relocate the cache with earlier versions of Netscape. Version 6 didn't allow it... hey WTF, now this window isn't allowing text to scroll! Oh well, as I was saying, the last version of Netscape didn't seem to have an option to move the cache either. Am I missing it somewhere?

Edit: No Netscape is still installed as far as I know. Haven't tried to run it yet... Yep, just fired it up. Seems OK.