NEW 8800GTS 512MB Reveiwed

[MTDEW]

Looks like a nice card but my 8800GT comfortably runs at 700/2000 so I don't see the need to upgrade.

Agreed.

I wont buy another card until something can run Crysis in DX10 at 1920x1200 at VERY HIGH settings at playable framerates.

IMO , THEN we can say the real Dx 10 cards have finally arrived.

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: MTDEW

Looks like a nice card but my 8800GT comfortably runs at 700/2000 so I don't see the need to upgrade.

Agreed.

I wont buy another card until something can run Crysis in DX10 at 1920x1200 at VERY HIGH settings at playable framerates.

IMO , THEN we can say the real Dx 10 cards have finally arrived.

That's going to take awhile. All of the future products for next 4-5 months seems to be refresh or 2x/4x Core of the current architecture. It'll need a brand new design to fit your requirements. 1920x1200 seems like the new "1600x1200" mark of the old.

Nvidia needs to concentrate more on affordable mid-range card ($100-150 range). 8600GTS is getting killed by 3850.

 

[MTDEW]

Nvidia needs to concentrate more on affordable mid-range card ($100-150 range). 8600GTS is getting killed by 3850.

No they dont, they need to make a new killer card so i dont feel like im still playing with the same performance i bought a year ago when i purchased an 8800GTX...LOL

 

[requiem1]

8800GT is still the better deal imo, especially since this is going to be priced gouged to about $399. I am not going to use my step-up if this review is accurate...maybe if it is only $50 more expensive..but def. not if it is $100+ ($350+)

 

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8800GT for $229 (the price I paid for) is a better deal than a few more FPS on the $299-349 (the latter being a more likely price) on the new G92 8800GTS.

Just give me a good dual slot cooler or a good Zalman aftermarket, and we're good.

 

[redice]

of course it releases a week after my EVGA step up finishes....damn it!!!

 

[requiem1]

this new G92 8800GTS is basically equal to an overclocked 8800GT...not worth $300+ imo.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Originally posted by: requiem1
this new G92 8800GTS is basically a equal to an overclocked 8800GT...not worth $300+ imo.

I was thinking that way myself as I posted before, but if you already paid $279-$299 for your 8800GT and these things actually appear at or near the MSRP of $299, the step-up charge would only be for the shipping. Yeah I know I'm dreaming, fat chance we'll see any for $299 initally and they'll probably go for $350-$399.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: redice
of course it releases a week after my EVGA step up finishes....damn it!!!

then.... why not step up to a 8800GT NOW

 

[Mana]

Originally posted by: aldamon

Except when you realize decibels are algorithmic and 44 Dba is a lot louder than 40 Dba.

It's logarithmic, not algorithmic.

 

[requiem1]

Originally posted by: ManWithNoName

Originally posted by: requiem1
this new G92 8800GTS is basically a equal to an overclocked 8800GT...not worth $300+ imo.

I was thinking that way myself as I posted before, but if you already paid $279-$299 for your 8800GT and these things actually appear at or near the MSRP of $299, the step-up charge would only be for the shipping. Yeah I know, fat chance we'll see any for $299 initally. They'll probably be around $350-$399.

i got my 8800GT for $250...so im happy and don't plan to step up. I bet these 8800GTS (G92) will cost $350 on the low-end when released...$100 worth it? Hell No.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ManWithNoName

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: ManWithNoName

Originally posted by: munky
Their noise measurements seem like BS. The 8800gt fan stays at 29% regardless if the card is under load or idle, how come they make it out to be so much louder under load?

Technically that's incorrect. I tested this when I received my card and just double-checked before I posted. The card starts to ramp up in the low 80c's and reaches 35% when temps hit 90C, I seen a number of other users post the same thing. Verified by running Rivatuner with Fan Setting Tab Open and Temp Monitor open at the same time. 35% is still low however since most are running their fans at 50%-75% to keep the card cool including me.

Even so, at 35% the card is still quiet. That wouldn't explain why the review makes it look like it reaches 2900xt levels of noise.

I agree and was not arguing that point. Noise levels really depend on what review you read. Guru3D has the 8800GT at 44 Dba and the HD 3870 at 40-41 Dba. Almost a wash.

if guru 3d had those noise levels then they weren't doing a good job of measuring the noise. ati and nvidia have basically switched places in the noise category with 3870/8800gt according to most reputable sites as well as the MANY users who have posted here in the past month+ on this topic. I haven't personally measured an 8800gt but I can attest to the fact that my 3870 at 65% is nearly silent on my system and completely inaudible over my 120mm case fans on medium. My x1950xt was very loud even at relatively low fan speeds, so much so that I was afraid to use rivatuner to force a certain fan speed. I now run 53% 24/7, giving me an idle temp of 28c .

One of the HUGE advantages of 8800gts imho is the dual slot cooling solution which SHOULD be significantly better than the 8800gt. If they had done that with 8800gt then I'd almost certainly have one of them today instead. Tweaktown has a poor rep, I agree with AZN that we should wait for a few more reviews.

BTW, their results are certainly reasonable. with those clocks and the extra 16 SP's, 8800gts should be almost exactly the same as 8800gtx. If you can get it for $50 or so more than an 8800gt SSC, so say $325-$350 after prices settle down, then that would be a very reasonable deal imho.

 

[nitromullet]

The results do look pretty reasonable. I'm not sure if anyone was expecting an "Ultra Killer", but it really didn't seem like a reality based on how closely related to the GT this card is. Still a nice card by any measure, it really depends on how much it costs.

 

[thilanliyan]

Isn't Tweaktown the site that had the messed up results for the 3870 review?

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, at the price that you must have paid for 8800gts, you should be able to step up to a ko or ssc (if they'll let you) and really get some good performance bump for only shipping costs.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: Mana

Originally posted by: aldamon

Except when you realize decibels are algorithmic and 44 Dba is a lot louder than 40 Dba.

It's logarithmic, not algorithmic.

Sorry. Thanks.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: requiem1
this new G92 8800GTS is basically equal to an overclocked 8800GT...not worth $300+ imo.

And an overclocked gts is equal to... a gtx?
Why are people making such stupid comparisons, is an ultra worth the extra money over the gtx? Hell no, but its faster and thats all that counts to some people.

If the card will sell for $300 and comes clocked higher then a gt, has more sp's and a dual slot heatsink how is it not worth it?

 

[redice]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: redice
of course it releases a week after my EVGA step up finishes....damn it!!!

then.... why not step up to a 8800GT NOW

I could, but I dont think its worth the hassle IMO.

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yeah, at the price that you must have paid for 8800gts, you should be able to step up to a ko or ssc (if they'll let you) and really get some good performance bump for only shipping costs.

Step Up only lets you upgrade to a stock card. No KO or SSC.

 

[MTDEW]

Originally posted by: requiem1
this new G92 8800GTS is basically equal to an overclocked 8800GT...not worth $300+ imo.

And an overclocked gts is equal to... a gtx?
Why are people making such stupid comparisons, is an ultra worth the extra money over the gtx? Hell no, but its faster and thats all that counts to some people.

If the card will sell for $300 and comes clocked higher then a gt, has more sp's and a dual slot heatsink how is it not worth it?

Actually, that statement makes a lot of sense in this case.

Because the V2 8800GTS is just an 8800GT with more sp's and a dual slot cooler and slightly higher stock clocks.

To justify the V2 8800GTS's existence, you'd have to prove the extra sp's and dual slot cooler are making a difference.

And to do that you'd bench it against an 8800GT at the same clock speeds against the V2 8800GTS.

When you do bench an 8800GT vs a V2 8800GTS at the same clock speeds, it seems those extra sp's arent helping the V2 8800GTS. (or the 8800GTX for that matter)

You may as well bench an OC'ed 8800GT against a stock clocked 8800GT, you'd get the same results.

Or just sell OC'ed 8800GT's at 700/2000/1700 as "new" V3 8800GTS's.

 

[flexy]

does NV usually launch around the same time in EU?

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: MTDEW
To justify the V2 8800GTS's existence, you'd have to prove the extra sp's and dual slot cooler are making a difference.

You think the extra sp's and dual slot cooler is useless? Come on...

 

[AndyD2k]

Sold! This is the only thing I'm waiting for so I can go ahead and click on the buy button for all my new parts.

 

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Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: MTDEW
To justify the V2 8800GTS's existence, you'd have to prove the extra sp's and dual slot cooler are making a difference.

You think the extra sp's and dual slot cooler is useless? Come on...

Is it worth an extra $100, as it most certainly will.

 

[MTDEW]

You think the extra sp's and dual slot cooler is useless? Come on...

I dont see how when the extra FPS just arent there.

Like i said earlier, im baffled as to why an OC'ed 8800GT can match an 8800GTX and now so can a V2 8800GTS, when the specs of the cards show the 8800GTX should beat both easily.

Believe me, its different when you actually have the cards and can test it yourself.
I re-ran my tests over and over because i just couldnt believe an 8800GT with a 256-bit memory bus could keep up with a GTX.

Now so does the V2 8800GTS.

Doesnt make sense , but its happening.

 

[requiem1]

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: requiem1
this new G92 8800GTS is basically equal to an overclocked 8800GT...not worth $300+ imo.

And an overclocked gts is equal to... a gtx?
Why are people making such stupid comparisons, is an ultra worth the extra money over the gtx? Hell no, but its faster and thats all that counts to some people.

If the card will sell for $300 and comes clocked higher then a gt, has more sp's and a dual slot heatsink how is it not worth it?

because if you look hard enough you can get a 8800GT for ~$230. You really think if the 8800GTS comes out at $300 (best case) it will be worth an extra $70? And that is at best case. It is more likely the 8800GTS will NOT be $300....it will be closer to $350...cause of gouging for at least the first month...so thats really like..a $120 difference...NOT WORTH IT AT ALL. And while all that is going on the 8800GT will get cheaper due to being out for longer.

IMO: Get a 8800GT for $220-240...buy a good heatsink and OC it like mad...you end up saving about $85 ($350 - $230 + $35) and will probably get the same performance (+/- 2%)

BTW: If you are running very high resolutions I can see the 8800GTS as more acceptable in some cases. Though, I personal prefer the 8800GT due to price : performance and at the resolutions I play on.