New AMD Polaris based GPU

[thecoolnessrune]

HardOCP managed to OC the XFX FatBoy to 1670MHz for the core and 9.2GHz on the memory.

They also OCed the EVGA GTX 1060 SSC GAMING to 2152MHz

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/15/xfx_radeon_rx_590_fatboy_oc_video_card_review/5

After both cards were oced to maximum the 590 was up to 20% faster than the OCed GTX 1060.

80C at 100% fan speed with that max overclock!

Well, at least we know those speeds are possible without an exotic chiller 120 watts more power consumption at the wall over the overclocked 1060 is pretty substantial though. Still, when even the overclocked 590 system was running <400 Watts from the wall, it's all got to be taken in context. If I gamed 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, the difference would cost me less than $1 a month. The difference to cool that extra heat load, would definitely vary, but even doubling the effective energy required to pump that heat outside using Central A/C, it would be less than $3 a month to entirely free if you're heating your home.

 

[mohit9206]

Edit: nevermind

 

[sugien]

https://www.techpowerup.com/249669/samsung-amds-second-foundry-partner-for-polaris-30

This is very surprising, didn't thought AMD could pull this off. Maybe this means picasso will be fabbed at Samsung and GF too?

 

[PhonakV30]

HardOCP managed to OC the XFX FatBoy to 1670MHz for the core and 9.2GHz on the memory.

They also OCed the EVGA GTX 1060 SSC GAMING to 2152MHz

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/15/xfx_radeon_rx_590_fatboy_oc_video_card_review/5

After both cards were oced to maximum the 590 was up to 20% faster than the OCed GTX 1060.

In term of Cooler , Different between XFX & PowerColor is huge. 80'c vs 65'c , what the hell....

EDIT :

There might be some confusion as to the proper or default configuration set by XFX. Therefore, we are left with a bit of confusion. XFX claims the Fatboy should be shipping in the "Performance" BIOS option with the switch closest to the PCie connectors, which ours was. However, it seems it is actually shipping in the "Quiet" BIOS position by default, despite the position of the switch to the "right" "toward the PCIe connectors" supposedly being the Performance Mode. Switching it around improved thermals for us. Normally we would think it was just our card that was set this way, but it appears all review cards are in this same BIOS position and replicate this same GPU temperature.

hmm, so all XFX cards are shipping in Quiet BIOS mode.

 

[lifeblood]

https://www.techpowerup.com/249669/samsung-amds-second-foundry-partner-for-polaris-30

This is very surprising, didn't thought AMD could pull this off. Maybe this means picasso will be fabbed at Samsung and GF too?

I'm surprised at this and wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be false due to misunderstanding. I'm wouldn't think AMD needs a second source because I wouldn't expect AMD to sell that many of the RX 590's. The 580/1060's have been out for a while and I would think the market for new midrange cards is small, at least until they come out with a new architecture.

 

[Dribble]

I'm surprised at this and wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be false due to misunderstanding. I'm wouldn't think AMD needs a second source because I wouldn't expect AMD to sell that many of the RX 590's. The 580/1060's have been out for a while and I would think the market for new midrange cards is small, at least until they come out with a new architecture.

As I understand it the 590 is identical to the 480 - same mask, same process size. That process is something that GF and Samsung made together. Despite the fact they've changed the names it is still that 14nm process, just with some efficiency improvements, so you can still use that same 480 mask on both of them. Hence AMD can use either with no extra work required. That's why the 590 is a bit disappointing - it is a 480 with 2 years of process efficiency improvements and the power knob dialled up to 11.

 

[Phynaz]

What im saying is that if you lower the performance of the RX 590 to the level of the GTX1060, then perf/watt is going up significantly.

But it will still be hotter and more expensive than the 1060.

 

[Phynaz]

HardOCP managed to OC the XFX FatBoy to 1670MHz for the core and 9.2GHz on the memory.

They also OCed the EVGA GTX 1060 SSC GAMING to 2152MHz

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/15/xfx_radeon_rx_590_fatboy_oc_video_card_review/5

After both cards were oced to maximum the 590 was up to 20% faster than the OCed GTX 1060.

You forgot to mention the OC'ed Fatboy drew 130W more power than the 1060. I wonder why you omitted that? (Rhetorical - we all know your agenda)

for $30 you can get a GTX 1070 that's 20% - 40% faster and uses 75W less power.

 

[lifeblood]

for $30 you can get a GTX 1070 that's 20% - 40% faster and uses 75W less power.

What? No way. You're full of... <quick google search> Wow, Newegg has a EVGA 1070 for $329, $309 after $20 MIR! And it includes Monster Huner: World.

I wonder if that's Nvidia's response to RX 590, them just trying to clear inventory, Thanksgiving specials, or all of the above. Either way it's a decent deal.

 

[LTC8K6]

1060 6gb is $229 with monster hunter.

 

[sugien]

I'm surprised at this and wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be false due to misunderstanding. I'm wouldn't think AMD needs a second source because I wouldn't expect AMD to sell that many of the RX 590's. The 580/1060's have been out for a while and I would think the market for new midrange cards is small, at least until they come out with a new architecture.

Well, maybe they need to free some fab capacity at GF to make rome io dies. But if that is the case, we probably won't see any refreshed vega 12nm.
A hypotetical 12nm vega with 1700Mhz+ boost clocks and those fancy 1000Mhz HBM2 would perform quite well i think..

 

[Qwertilot]

Probably all of the above for NV - they're definitely trying to clear Pascal inventory now. Tom's report on their recent earnings call had "Nvidia plans to stop delivery of mid-range Pascal graphics cards entirely during this quarter".

 

[Phynaz]

1060 6gb is $229 with monster hunter.

AMD is going to have to resort to price cuts on their "new" product.

 

[whm1974]

Probably all of the above for NV - they're definitely trying to clear Pascal inventory now. Tom's report on their recent earnings call had "Nvidia plans to stop delivery of mid-range Pascal graphics cards entirely during this quarter".

So are they planning on releasing the 2060 GPU anytime soon?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Exactly. Hopefully you always hold the position that 100 watts more for a computer component is insignificant.

Many posters seem to change their view according to which manufacturer needs the extra wattage.

Exactly what I said earlier, and very true.

 

[frozentundra123456]

HardOCP managed to OC the XFX FatBoy to 1670MHz for the core and 9.2GHz on the memory.

They also OCed the EVGA GTX 1060 SSC GAMING to 2152MHz

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/15/xfx_radeon_rx_590_fatboy_oc_video_card_review/5

After both cards were oced to maximum the 590 was up to 20% faster than the OCed GTX 1060.

Ahhh, the infamous "up to" metric. I averaged all those games at 1080 p, and stock, the average FPS for the 590 was 74, and the average for the 1060 was 66. Do you think in a blind test you could tell the difference for that extra hundred watts. And BTW, no way in hell would I run a 590 on a 430 watt PSU as you suggested in your previous reply to my earlier post.

 

[AtenRa]

for $30 you can get a GTX 1070 that's 20% - 40% faster and uses 75W less power.

Since we are quoting Black Friday prices,

$399 for Vega 64 + 3 games that is 15-20% faster than GTX 1070

or

$190 for RX 580 8GB + 2 games that is as fast as GTX 1060 6GB.

I wonder why you had to only quote NVIDIA black Friday prices in a RX 590 topic

 

[ItsAlive]

I wonder why you had to only quote NVIDIA black Friday prices in a RX 590 topic

Wow really? It couldn't possibly be that the GTX 1070 is closer in price to the rx 590 than either of the cards you mention which puts it in direct competition with it?
Vega 64 is $70 more expensive, and RX 580 is $100 less and substantially slower than a GTX 1070. They aren't even in the same realm performance wise.

The RX 580 vs RX 590 is a great comparison that shows exactly what kind of ripoff an RX 590 is tho. Thanks for pointing out that comparison, $100 less for a card that is 6% slower and I'd more than happily suggest the RX 580 over the RX 590 to anyone.

 

[LTC8K6]

Since we are quoting Black Friday prices,

$399 for Vega 64 + 3 games that is 15-20% faster than GTX 1070

or

$190 for RX 580 8GB + 2 games that is as fast as GTX 1060 6GB.

I wonder why you had to only quote NVIDIA black Friday prices in a RX 590 topic

Well then, why would I pay for the 590 over the 580?

 

[PeterScott]

5% faster than AIB 580.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIoyn-_m89Q

Minor refresh/rebrand at best.

 

[Shivansps]

Not this again, last time they rebranded the HD7850 like 4 times.

Well at least it is finally faster than the GTX1060, most people here said it will get there with driver improvements for the RX480.

 

[Qwertilot]

So are they planning on releasing the 2060 GPU anytime soon?

It seems not especially - there's a ton of old Pascal (over)stock to clear & so it makes sense to run as things are.

Could maybe also explain why AMD aren't doing a 560/70 refresh on 12nm quite yet?
(Presumably inevitable given the 590 & long wait for anything really new.).

 

[ItsAlive]

You can get a GTX 1060 6Gb for $199 after MIR with Monster Hunter World now. I'm happy that AMD decided to release this card, even if the only thing its good for is to drive prices down of cards that have been long overdue for a price drop. I think we will continue to see price drops of all mid-ranged cards, because they have been overpriced for some time now.

 

[Headfoot]

the 590 is last week's hotdogs reheated in the microwave with some ketchup and mustard put on it. Sure its a little better with ketchup and mustard but its still last week's hotdogs.

 

[ub4ty]

You clearly have a severe lack of understanding displays and the fact humans response time is irrelevant as it's more or less the same for everyone. If I see my opponent 5ms before he sees me because of my better displays I will win the fight. the 250ms reaction time is equal for both so the person that can react first, wins.

About the display tech I always use the test-ufo moving map test:

Simply said with my screen I can read the street names on the moving map. Just foregt that on any 60 hz screen. And yeah blur matters in gaming.

Find your brain. If your response to visual stimuli is 250ms, @60hz refresh rate, it will take you 250ms+16ms to form a response. @120hz refresh rate, it's 250ms+8ms. Also factoring in the time it takes for the network packet to traverse from your computer to the back-end server. Sorry bud, your'e the bottle neck, not the silly hardware you toss your money at. If you see your opponent 5ms before he sees you, it's more likely that network latency will be the deciding factor (whose closest to the server). Furthermore, youth wins out to as your biological clock is likely to add 5ms to your physical response over someone whose younger.

I am continually reminded that you can't win an argument with certain people.
They constantly vie for the lest intelligible framing to attempt to win.

Your money wont buy you a win.
You can buy all the $500 Jordans you want, you'll never be Jordan or Kobey Bryant. You'll never be anywhere near a professional gamer because what defines them is constant practice and high biological APM not silly overpriced hardware. Companies market the opposite and its clear you've bought it hook line and sinker

Some Korean in a net cafe on $500 worth of hardware would like rek you in a competitive game. Meanwhile you're $2-3k in the hole and getting smoked... This is what separates a true enthusiast from a Cadillac weekend keyboard warrior. Human skill vs overpriced hardware

One would think when I defined the human response time to Visual Stimulus @ 250ms vs latency figures in the teens (computer hardware) that you'd have bowed out of the argument.. Nope, flew right over your head.. You doubled down even further. Amazing