New Bartons are locked?

gplracer

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I was reading the forums on AMD Fourms and users are reporting that the multiplier is totally locked on the new barton 2500+'s. The pin trick does not work. Does anyone have any word of this?
 

beatle

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That sucks... I guess it doesn't really surprise me though. Intel has been locking the multiplier since the first celeron.
 

l3ored

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well 2500s have the same multiplier as the 3200, so overclocking to one is still possible, still this sucks
 

SKORPI0

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2003 week last unlocked Barton was manufactured

locked:

AQXCA 0340
AQXFA 0339
AQXFA 0340 MPMW (!?)
AQXFA 0334 (?, since there are no other reports of pre week 39 locks)
AQYFA 0340
AQYFA 0341
AQYFA 0342
AQYFA 0343 RPMW
AQZEA 0341
AQZFA 0341 XPMW
AQZFA 0342 UPMW
AQZFA 0339 UPMW


unlocked:

AQZEA 0334
AQZEA 0339 UPMW
AQZFA 0340 UPMW
AQXFA 0336
AQXFA 0340 TPMW (!?)

Just bought a 2500+ Barton (retail) for $95 + tax at a computer show. AQZFA 0340 UPMW - Unlocked!!!! Now to try it w/ my refurb Asus A7N8X Deluxe Rev1.04 - 1006 Bios.
 

gplracer

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PorBleemo I did a forum seach for Barton in the overclocking section and nothing came up. Geez! I guess you have nothing better to do. I was just trying to post a topic that would helpful to users in the overclocking section of the forum.
 

Duvie

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I think it was in general hardware, but nonetheless I think the topic has not been overdone so we should not ttack the author of the threads all the time...Sometimes searches can be tough by being too specific or too vague. try guessing what the guy before you titled it may be tough. He may not have even used locked or unlocked in the title....

So I think we should all just be more reserved when it comes to rushing to judgement...
 

Duvie

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Here you go.... bartons locked?

It was in the general hardware forum and in my opinion out of the more specific forum, but I think all that needs to be said is just give him the link and let the mods close the thread if they wish...the cpu forum doesn't move that fast anyways!!!!
 

rogue1979

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Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Repost. Try a forum search next time.

I think anyone posting repost is a repost itself and it is really getting old!

The search function is rather vague and imprecise. Many times when the same subject in posted a second or third time, much better information is available. I mean anyone hot to crap a thread with repost was not forced to read it. They could have easily used the search engine to filter out reposted subjects before they read them.

I mean c'mom, it's not much fun to use the search engine before every post, or before even opening and reading threads

Thank you gplracer for posting this, I was completely unaware of the apparent locking of Barton cores.

 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Repost. Try a forum search next time.

Well this is news to me so I say keep it.

Damn repost (German political party that came to prominence in the late 1930's)'s
 

rms

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Anyone know stores that are selling non-locked Barton 2500+, preferably with specificed date codes! thx!

rms
 

gplracer

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This was pulled from a post from overclockers.com:

locked:
AQXCA 0340

AQXFA 0339
AQXFA 0340 MPMW
AQXFA 0334 (?, since there are no other reports of pre week 39 locks)

AQYFA 0340
AQYFA 0341
AQYFA 0342
AQYFA 0343 RPMW

AQZEA 0341 RPMW
AQZFA 0341 XPMW
AQZFA 0339 UPMW
AQZFA 0342 TPMW
AQZFA 0342 UPMW (!!)

unlocked:
AQZEA 0334
AQZEA 0339 UPMW
AQZFA 0340 UPMW
AQXFA 0336
AQXFA 0340 TPMW
AQZFA 0342 UPMW (confirmed unlock in Australia, 1 reported locked elsewhere)
 

NesuD

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Ran down to a local shop this morning to see if they had any unlocked processors left. Picked up a retail AQXEA 0334 VPMW unlocked running at 2.2gig(3200+) default voltage. Looks like it could be a cherry didn't have time to find the ceiling on it yet but will be pushing it tomorrow AM to see what it can do. Paid about a $40 dollar premium getting it locally though. They only had 4 of this week code the rest were all codes on the locked list.
 

Sled Dog

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Got my 2500+ Barton from http://www.ncix.com/ about a week ago.
AQZEA 0332UPMW
Built the same machine for a friend about a week before that, didn't take the numers down though.
Not stable at 11.5 here anyway. Running 200fsb at 11x.
 

NesuD

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Yea Nforce 2 boards have that capability as long as the board maker implements it. My soltek will let me set any multi I want. Apparently AMD has started doing something new to the Bartons that locks the Multi even on Nforce2 boards. Thats why I ran out and grabbed an unlocked chip while they could still be found. So far no one has figured out what they are doing to lock them and none of the usual unlocking methods seem to defeat what they are now doing.
 

Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: ZoNtO
Don't nForce2 mobos unlock the processor by themselves? I thought that at least the A7N8x Deluxe and the NF7-S did....
Yeah but the Tbreds weren't locked anyway ,VIA mbrds with mutliplier selection could 'unlock' them too ,its not really unlocking but making use of the multipliers available.

Though with these new CPUs it seems they really are locked now

NesuD
You maxed that CPU out yet?
 

DivideBYZero

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Mates AQZFA 0339 VPMW 2500+ unlocked in UK.

Running on NF2 Ultra, it does 11 x 200(3200+) @ stock voltage.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Originally posted by: ZoNtO
Don't nForce2 mobos unlock the processor by themselves? I thought that at least the A7N8x Deluxe and the NF7-S did....
Yeah but the Tbreds weren't locked anyway ,VIA mbrds with mutliplier selection could 'unlock' them too ,its not really unlocking but making use of the multipliers available.

Though with these new CPUs it seems they really are locked now

NesuD
You maxed that CPU out yet?

yep 2.3 gig @1.78 volts gets squirrelly after that. backed it back down to 2.2 gig @1.68 volts. pretty happy with it that way. cool, fast and stable. don't really like subjecting these chips to more than 1.75 for any length of time. It is comforting to see it idling at 37-40c and never loading over 50c.
 

KF

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>Don't nForce2 mobos unlock the processor by themselves?

A myth that won't die. It orginated when the first Nforce2 mobos and the completely unlocked TbredBs hit the market at about the same time, and review sites did not quite understand that it was the TbredBs that were unlocked.

There are two things that AMD has left available that made it possible to change the multiplier, until now. (Even when Athlons were Slot A cartridges, a similar system was available.)

1) So-called bridges exposed on the top of the CPU. The bridges do various things, and there have been several systems. One of the things the bridges do is provide a factory set multiplier, which because the bridges are exposed, you can could change.

2) A set of bridges, which when joined connect the multiplier bridges to certain CPU pins. Then if the mobo maker implements the appropriate circuity, you can override the factory set multiplier. There are both VIA and nForce2 mobos which provide the circuitry, but it is almost universal with nForce2. Fpr instance, my several year old ABIT KT7, which only has 100MHz FSB, could set the mutiplier of my TBB to different multipiers up to 20. Until Tbred Bs, it was very rare to see these bridges joined coming from the factory. You had to join them youself.

There are very few mobos that can set all five of the CPU pins that control the multiplier. That's because before a certain point in history, Athlons only had a 4 bit multiplier, but TBred Bs have 5. The ASUS and ABIT control 4 of the 5. Therefore you need a pin trick (to set the 5th pin) if you want to override what it is factory set to.

BTW in all public AMD documentation, those pins (let alone the bridges) are not identified as controlling the multiplier, or as having any function. There has been no public documentation or support from AMD since the first Athlons, even though the possibility has been maintained, in different ways, since then. It is obvious that AMD could have set the multiplier at the factory using the same inaccessable method Intel does during all that time. It may even be cheaper to do it Intel's way.

Somebody said somewhere that AMD is losing $300 per CPU because of the overclocking. Ridiculous, of course. Sometimes I wish people would shut up on naive financial theories, but at least when they say something stupid, there is an opportunity to say something reasonable in contradiction. AMD is probably making money on the CPUs that sell for $50. IAC, people that buy Barton's for $80 to overclock are not going to pay $300 more, now that they are locked, to get the same CPU speed. But sure, there may be a little more pricing power gained by locking the CPU. Unfortunately, basic economics dictates that they will probably sell fewer CPUs as the price goes higher too, so there is nothing obvious about raising prices being a good thing financially. However, where AMD is really going into the red is on the new generation Athlon64s/Opterons, regardless of the price, which they have been spending oodles on to develop and buy the production capability for, and will contiinue to for some time, but have not yet sold enough to recapture the expense. Even when they go from the red to the black, probably this quarter, and will therefore be profitable, they will still be behind, because remember they have not made up the losses. This is just normal capital investment, where you have to put out a lot of money first before you can make money. Over the lifespan of the Athlon64, AMD will likely be in the black, and so this talk about bankrupcy is foolishness. It won't be until the next product cycle, and the next economic downturn after, that there could be any reasonable probability of serious finanacial difficultly, and that is way too far to foresee. So check back in five to ten years. At worse, AMD will still be hanging in there, and they could just as easily be a big money maker.
 

therealmitchmoyars

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Haaaaaaaaaaa crap! I just orderd one up from newegg...... I wish I had seen this first.... I might have sprung for a 2600..... so has the work around been discovered yet? There always seems to be something that can be done...
 

Assimilator1

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KF
Good to hear a more upbeat assesment (at least in the long run)
I bet the Athlon cost a fortune in the beggining ,R&D etc ,I reckon they've done nicely on it though
 
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