New Build Not POSTing

DrMik3y2

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I just built my new rig today and am having problems POSTing. It starts up for about 3-5 seconds, fans start spinning, hdd light comes on, but then it just shutsdown and doesn't make it to POST. Iam pretty sure i hooked everything up right and i made sure to double check all the connections. System info as follows:

MSI P6N PLATINUM SLi
e6600
Patriot 2x1gb DDR2 800
2X250 WD SATA HDD
BFG 7800 GTX

If anyone has any suggestions i would appreciate it.
 

Alopez777

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DrMik3y2,

Disconnect all HDD, DVD/CD, Floppy devices.
Remove any & all PCI cards EXCEPT the Video card.
Remove 1 RAM module

Basically, you should ONLY have the following installed on MB:

1- CPU & Heatsink/fan
1- Video card
1- RAM module (In slot 1)

Boot that puppy up and listen for beeps...
U may want to take a look at this link and go through the 'No POST' section

MSI Troubleshooting

PLEASE UPDATE your thread with RESOLUTION so as to help out others with similar issue.

peace and good luck,

al
 

DrMik3y2

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Tried that, with both sticks and then one at a time and still no luck.

I read in some of the reviews on newegg that people had to post with a different stick so they could enter bios and change voltages and timings. I do not have any other ddr2 ram. Would I be able to use a 512 stick of pc2700 that i have in my older system or will that just cause more problems?

Thanks for the help, I'm going insane here, been waiting all week to put this rig together!
 

Alopez777

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Originally posted by: DrMik3y2
Tried that, with both sticks and then one at a time and still no luck.

I read in some of the reviews on newegg that people had to post with a different stick so they could enter bios and change voltages and timings. I do not have any other ddr2 ram. Would I be able to use a 512 stick of pc2700 that i have in my older system or will that just cause more problems?

Thanks for the help, I'm going insane here, been waiting all week to put this rig together!

DrMik3y2,

Don't think the 512 will work. (not ddr2 don't put it in ur MB)

NOTE: WHAT IS THE MODEL # OF UR MEMORY.
NOTE: I looked at newegg.com at Model #: PDC21G6400LLK this has a 2.2V specificiation
your MB has a spec of 1.8V.

Take a read on this.... just noticed this on MSI website for ur MB. (U just might need another stick of RAM) (Fry's has a good return policy) ;-0

MSI MB Memory info
Main Memory
? Supports dual channel DDR2 533/667/800, using four 240-pin DDR2 DIMMs
? Supports the memory size up to 8GB
? Supports 1.8v DDR2 SDRAM DIMM

Due to the High Performance Memory design, motherboards or system configurations may or may not operate smoothly at the JEDEC (Joint Electron Device Engineering Council) standard settings (BIOS Default on the motherboard) such as DDR2 voltage, memory speeds and memory timing. Please confirm and adjust your memory setting in the BIOS accordingly for better system stability.
Example: Kingston HyperX DDR2-800 PC6400 operates at 2.0V, 4-4-4-12.
For more information about specification of high performance memory modules, please check with your Memory Manufactures for more details.
For the best performance and commitment of convenience, please visit MSI approved memory module vendor list (MSI AVL), which provides the easiest, up-to-date memory configurations
 

DrMik3y2

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Does this mean I can't use this ram at all or just that i have to change the voltages?

and again thanks for all your help!
 

Alopez777

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Originally posted by: DrMik3y2
Does this mean I can't use this ram at all or just that i have to change the voltages?

and again thanks for all your help!

specs say 1.8V supported so I don't think 2.2V will fly...

U may need to call MSI support and verify if that particular memory will be okay to use but I know what MSI will say about that... as Patriot memory does not fall within their "approved memory vendor" list MSI might ask u to return it and purchase mem from an approved vendor... personally I would return the memory and purchase from Crucial or Mushkin and make sure its rated at 1.8V.

peace.

al
 

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Originally posted by: DrMik3y2
Does this mean I can't use this ram at all or just that i have to change the voltages?

and again thanks for all your help!


Provided you can get into the BIOS to actually change the VDIMM settings you should have no trouble using the Patriot RAM at 2.2v, however there lies problem because you are going to have to get ahold of a DIMM of DDR2 (any speed) that will work on 1.8v in order to do it. I have a 512mb DIMM of DDR2-667 Kingston Value-RAM in my tool-kit just for this purpose because I've had this happen to me several times & its extremely frustrating.
 

DrMik3y2

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Thank you Captante! I didn't really want to return this RAM. Luckily I have a computer repair store right next door to my office and am friendly with the owner. Hopefully he will have a DIMM of DDR2 that I can use. I might just do what you have done though and purchase a 512 of DDR2 that is 1.8v. Thanks for the help, I was really looking forward to using this Patriot ram, it's gotten such good reviews!
 

DrMik3y2

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Well, after waiting the entire weekend to get my overnighted stick of Kingston DDR2 667, that I ordered from Newegg on Thursday morning (never shipping UPS ever again) it has not solved the problem. Still not posting, still just booting up for 1-2 seconds and then powering down. Does anyone have any other thoughts? Perhaps the power supply? Or perhaps it's just the motherboard itself? I am at a loss.
 

DrMik3y2

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When I take out the RAM altogether the computer powers on for longer but just gives a long whiney beep at me. I looked at the MSI troubleshooting codes and don't see any codes for just a long steady beep. I assume it's just telling me that there is no ram so the computer can't post. Does anyone have any other ideas what might be causing my problem? I am hoping the computer guy next door will have a voltage meter so I can test my psu and see if that is the problem. I guess I'm thinking it's more the motherboard now though. I've tried new ram and a new video card, so all that's left is the psu, cpu and mobo. I'm ruling out cpu for now as I've read they generally don't come DOA. It was a little tough getting it in the mobo though, so maybe I forced it in too hard? If that was the case though then I don't think it would give me that long beep when I have the ram out, wouldn't it just shut right down like it does when there is ram present?
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: DrMik3y2
Well, after waiting the entire weekend to get my overnighted stick of Kingston DDR2 667, that I ordered from Newegg on Thursday morning (never shipping UPS ever again) it has not solved the problem. Still not posting, still just booting up for 1-2 seconds and then powering down. Does anyone have any other thoughts? Perhaps the power supply? Or perhaps it's just the motherboard itself? I am at a loss.

Did you try clearing the CMOS then attempt to boot with the Kingston?

RE: long continuos beep

Did you put some thermal compound (arctic silver etc) on the CPU?

Is the CPU H/S fan plugged in to the correct mobo header?

If the CPU H/S had a peice of clear plastic on it as protection, did you remove it b4 installing?

Sorry if some of these seem "simple" or stupid.

Fern
 

DrMik3y2

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: DrMik3y2
Well, after waiting the entire weekend to get my overnighted stick of Kingston DDR2 667, that I ordered from Newegg on Thursday morning (never shipping UPS ever again) it has not solved the problem. Still not posting, still just booting up for 1-2 seconds and then powering down. Does anyone have any other thoughts? Perhaps the power supply? Or perhaps it's just the motherboard itself? I am at a loss.

Did you try clearing the CMOS then attempt to boot with the Kingston?

RE: long continuos beep

Did you put some thermal compound (arctic silver etc) on the CPU?

Is the CPU H/S fan plugged in to the correct mobo header?

If the CPU H/S had a peice of clear plastic on it as protection, did you remove it b4 installing?

Sorry if some of these seem "simple" or stupid.

Fern

I did not try clearing the CMOS before booting with the kingston ram. I did clear the CMOS before booting with a single stick of the patriot ram prior to getting the kingston though, still did not work. I will try clearing the CMOS again though.

I just installed the cpu/hsf stock. The stock HSF had some compound on it, three strips that dispersed when I first turned the computer on (i assume). Now the entire cpu, well, most of it, has the compound on it when I removed the HSF (as does the bottom of the HSF).

I do have the cpu fan plugged into the correct spot.

I did not noticed any piece of clear plastic. There was a piece of black plastic that was covering the cpu slot, but I removed that when installing the cpu.


I don't mind the simple questions as it is most likely a simple (read: stupid) error on my part, I just want to figure it out!!!
 

DrMik3y2

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I just tried clearing the CMOS and using the kingston ram. Same thing as before, just powers up for 1-2 seconds and shuts down. The mobo came with a diagnostic tool using four LEDS that will help to determine what the problem is. Obviously the computer doesn't stay on long enough for me to diagnose the problem when ram is installed, when ram is not installed it just gives me the error that there is a problem with RAM.
 

Fern

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I assume you have the mobo instaled in the case. If so, in any of your trouble shooting efforts did you remove it and test it while it laid atop a phonebook etc? Perhaps there's an extra brass standoff under the mobo causing a short to the case.

Otherwise, I got nothin. Unless you've got the extra parts to switch & swap etc, may be difficult to figure out.

May just end up being a faulty part (e.g., mobo), I've learned that just because they're new doesn't mean they work right.

Hopefully, somebody else will come along with some helpful suggestion. Looks like you've been dealing with for about a week now.

Good Luck with it,

Fern
 

Alopez777

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DrMik3y2,


Lack of having a spare Cpu to test with u r limited on how far u can troubleshoot. However, try the following:

1.> Remove MB from case and place next to case on top of MB Box.
2.> Place video card, CPU+(HSF) & 1 stick of RAM on MB. Connect Video cable.
3.> Plug PSU into MB.
4.> hit the 'power on' button on case

If same result as before, power down and remove CPU. then power up, if MB is good u should get some beep code from MB.

NOTE: MAKE SURE TO WEAR A ESD STRAP while performing the above. (not while pc is powered on).

ESD strap is $5-12
PSU tester is $10-15

good luck.

al
 

waitman

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What power supply are you using? Could be it, especially if it is a cheap one.
 

DrMik3y2

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I am going to try placing the mobo on a non-conductive surface later tonight. Hopefully I just set it up wrong or something.

My PSU is a CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX I am about to head over to the computer guy next door and hopefully he has a voltage meter I can test the PSU with. If it's not the psu then it's gotta be the mobo or cpu, or a grounding issue.

Thanks again for the all the help guys, I will let you know how it goes tonight.
 

DrMik3y2

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UPDATE

Ok so it's been almost a month since I bought all these parts and tried to build this computer. I don't think I will ever do this again haha. I've built plenty of computers in the past but I have never had as many issues as I have with this build.

Ok, so I RMAed the PSU and still had the same problem where the computer would boot for 1-2 seconds and then just turn off. So I think replaced the Patriot RAM with Kingston Value RAM and that didn't work either. So then I said what the hell and just RMAed the motherboard. I didn't feel like waiting for the RMA to go through so I just up and bought an Asus P5N-E SLI mobo. SAME THING HAPPENS ON THIS MOBO.

So I've come to the conclusion that it MUST be the processor, but something tells me that the processor is not going to be the cause. I just sent in for an RMA replacement today and hopefully will get it within a week or two. In the meantime though, as I am extremely impatient, I purchased an e4300 from Newegg just to see if I can get something working.

Anyways, that's where I stand now, figured I'd send an update in case anyone had any other ideas.
 

dfnkt

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I had a problem like this where I pulled my hair out, RMAd several parts and it ended up being something so stupid I called the motherboard company and yelled for an hour. It wasn't the same brand of mobo as yours but I've seen them a lot on newer boards. I ordered all these parts for a friend got them in and everything turned on....then turned off, after a month of messing around, I got to looking through the mobo packaging, there was this tiny plastic clip that connects to the front panel connectors and then allowed the case to hook onto it, that solved it. After putting that stupid little piece of plastic on it solved the entire mess I couldn't believe it. So check and see if you have something similar and try it out
 

DrMik3y2

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Thanks dfmkt, I will try that, as the Asus board I have does have that piece. Unfortunately I let the guy next door to my work test the board and it did the same sort of thing, but I think it may be from what you said about the Q-Connector (what it's called on my Asus). As it shutdown after like 6 seconds instead of the normal 1-2 it was doing on the MSI board. I RMAed the processor before reading your post. Stupid mistake on my part thinking this guy knew what he was doing... ah well. I will let you know when the RMA goes through, thanks again.
 

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dfnkt, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean the cables that connect to the power switch hook up to it then you connect it to the motherboard? Can you link a pic of what you are talking about? I don't want to get stuck in the same situation you got stuck in.
 

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2 different m/bs and mfgs and if I followed this correctly, also 2 different CPU's?? Looks like quality parts. I would take a few deep breaths and flex my fingers and get another look at the manual. Then I would completely disassemble the box and starting on the phone book, cardboard or even the mb box start a complete rebuild outside the case, step by step from the manual.

http://www.msicomputer.com/support/sup_tshoot.asp

Nagging thought, did you use both molex and sata power to hdd?? should only be 1 or other. Also note connection order for SATA hdd/opticals. Good luck, hope fresh eyes in AM find the problem.
 

DrMik3y2

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OK! So i am now posting this from a working computer. It is not exactly the computer I had in mind, but hey, it works.

So here's everything that happened in the last month, I will try to put it in a list to make it more understandable, as I have a tendency to wander and ramble

1. Bought the following parts from Newegg:
-Intel e6600
-MSI P6N-SLI Platinum
-Patriot PC6400 DDR2800 2x1GB Kit
-BFG 7800 GTX
-Corsair CMPSU-520HX
-2x Western Digital Caviar SATA 250GB
-Western Digital Caviar SATA 320GB
-Lian-Li PC-60B Black
2. I installed the motherboard onto the case and then installed the CPU/HS and then the RAM. I installed all three hard drives and hooked them up via the SATA cables. I installed the video card.
3. Booted her up and she shut right down. Did a little troubleshooting and thought I narrowed it down to the RAM itself, as when I took out the RAM it would stay powered on.
4. THIS PART WAS A BIG MISTAKE ON MY PART. I got frustrated because I wasn't possitive it was the RAM, so I took it to the computer guy next door to where I worked. I figured he'd have extra parts lying around that we could do a real diagnostic check. He, however, did not. He said he would take a look at it.
5. In the meantime I went ahead and bought a 512 stick of Kingston DDR2 667 as per the suggestions of my good anandtech friends here in this thread. Spent an extra 20 for overnight shipping, because Im an impatient bastard. Did it through UPS... WILL NEVER SHIP THROUGH UPS AGAIN. The overnight turned into two day and that 2nd day was on a saturday and they wouldn't ship it then -_-
6. RAM finally came in though, and Bob (the computer guy) said he took a look at it over the weekend and was very suspicious of the PSU.
7. We tried the new RAM, same problem happened as before, computer would power up for a second or two and then shutdown. It shoud also be noted here that we tested a different video card at some point as well, not sure when, but it was an ATI x300.
8. Bob said he really thought it was the PSU, so I began an RMA. Took the PSU home and put it on my bed, where it is still actually sitting today.
9. Again, I'm impatient, so I just went ahead and ordered another PSU, the same one actually, ahead of the RMA. I figured that I'm most likely going to be building a computer for a friend or my dad soon, so I might as wel have an extra PSU laying around... *shrug*
10. PSU came in and I gave it Bob to test. He came to me later and told me the same thing was happening. (Glad I didn'tw aste shipping sending that PSU out)
11. Bob suggested next that it was either the mobo or the processor. I was leaning heavily toward the mobo, as most people do not encounter bricked processors. So I just went ahead and ordered a new mobo, no point in waiting for an RMA I said!
12. Couple days later my ASUS P5N-E SLI board came in. Gave it to Bob, he hooked it up and then told me it was having the same problem. Now this is where I started to say, ok thanks Bob, I'll take it from here. I had already decided to order an e4300 as I had so many new computer parts that I might as well build another computer when I'm done right? So I ordered it.
13. So at this point I'd sent in an RMA for botht he MSI mobo and the e6600. I had also already purchased an e4300.
14. I got fired from my job last Saturday, for some very bullshit reasons (a nice culmination of the previous months frustration with this computer) and a couple days later the e4300 came in. So I went to work one last time, talked to Bob, thanked him for the help and took my computer back home.
15. When I got home I installed the ASUS P5N-E SLI mobo into my case. I realized, thanks to dfnkt, that Bob had not used the Q-Connector that comes with the case and that might very well have been the reason for it not working. Although it is still possible that it was the CPU, I guess I will never know now. I then installed the e4300, the Patriot DDR2800 RAM, the Corsair PSU, the 7800 GTX, and the two WD 250gb drives as the mobo only came with two sata cables *shakes fist*.
16. Powered on, GOT TO A BOOT SCREEN. I then familiarized myself with the BIOS and then decided to install windows.
17. During installation i was constantly getting STOP errors... constantly. So I got frustrated again, but then realized, hey I have a lot of extra parts, I can figure this out. So I threw in the 512 stick of DDR2 667 and voila, windows installed flawlessly.
18. I then started setting up my computer and figured I'd give the Patriot ram another shot. So I installed it and it booted windows fine, no problems. But the timings were a bit blah, so I adjusted them. Couldnt' keep it stable at the advertised 4-4-4-12, but 5-5-5-15 is working quite nicely.
19. I have absolutely not idea about this RAM, it doesn't work, it works, it doesn't work... who the ****** knows. All I know is that now it works and so I am going to stop complaining about it.
20. The RMAed processor and mobo should be coming in the mail next week. I'm going to put that together and hopefully everything works this time. Then either have a 2nd computer lying around, or sell this one, who knows. I'll keep you posted how the building process goes, xP

Thanks again for all the help you guys, you are a wealth of information and I hope that perhaps this thread will help someone else out if they ever encounter problems like this.
 

DrMik3y2

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Originally posted by: btcomm1
dfnkt, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean the cables that connect to the power switch hook up to it then you connect it to the motherboard? Can you link a pic of what you are talking about? I don't want to get stuck in the same situation you got stuck in.

It is called a Q-Connector in this ASUS board. All it is is a little pastic piece that has one side with female and one side with male prongs. You simply attach your case buttons and leds to it. So the Power Switch, Reset Switch, HDD LED, Speaker, etc. You hook all those onto the male prongs and then once they are all hooked in you simply stick the female end down on your motherboard. I'm not sure if it serves any real purpose other than just making it easier to instal those wires *shrug*.

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/ASUS_P5B_Deluxe/asus19.jpg]http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/ASUS_P5B_Deluxe/asus19.jpg
 

ronach

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That Q-Connector is a great idea, especially for us guys with not so great eyesight. Sure beats haveing to install those little plugs onto those lil pins while the mobo is in the case. Now why didn't I thank of that, thanks DrMik3y2 for the info.
 
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