new Ipod/Iphone announced

[ViviTheMage]

free publicity for Cisco!

stupid ination

 

[AnyMal]

Well, it didn't take long, LOL! iPhone on eBay Ahhh, the fools and their money... it will never end.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Well, it didn't take long, LOL! iPhone on eBay Ahhh, the fools and their money... it will never end.

lol. listing has been removed.

 

[cvstrat]

Originally posted by: LeiZaK

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?

1) I'm sure Apple will replace it for a fee (just like iPod)

2) It's not targeted at business consumers. They know Blackberry/Treo is the prefered device for business users. I love my pearl, but I really just need push email and web browser, I'm not creating powerpoints on my cell phone. Probably 100 Million peeps worldwide who are in the same boat.

3) 40 gigs would be nice, but would probably cost too much. The phone is super thin which is nice and a hard drive would only serve to make it larger. besides 4-8 gigs should be sufficient for most users considering phones out now have a 2gb limit on the micro SD cards that you put in them.

4) CV works on edge if you have a good signal. However that is irrelivant if you have the ability to sync w/iTunes and watch your shows w/that... Nobody will want CV on this phone.

5) I doubt they want people to leave digital cameras at home. Most users would rather take imporants pics at 5-6MP with a digital camera, not a cell phone. It's not meant to replace a digicam just give a decent alternative for when you don't want to carry one.

6) Who cares about CDMA? GSM is the future. Cingular has the most subscribers in the US, 57.8M, and is used to carrying exclusive high-end phones. They also have tons of extra cash to throw at advertising. I'm sure it will be available in the future unlocked, but it's not like someone can't just buy one and unlock it anyway. I'm sure Apple is aware of this and doesn't care. CDMA represents a tiny portion of global cell users; Look at Nokia pulling all CDMA phones in the future for example. It's important to understand the type of customers Cingular typically attracts... having worked for other carriers (and now Cingular) I would say we have more of the type of customers that would be likely to purchase this phone than any other carrier by far.

7) There are costs associated with signing up a customer. This includes the subsidy but also there are a ton of other costs involved in adding a new subscriber. Subsidising 500 dollars would mean an avg cost to add a customer w/iPhone would be like 800-900 dollars. Cingular isn't going to waste that much to gain each person so I think the price is steep but just fine for what you get.

Everyone needs to recognize this phone isn't geared at tech experts only. This phone is going to be marketed towards all types of users from soccer moms to college students and all in between. A lot of features you guys are asking for aren't necessary to sell gazillions of these phones. If it works as well as they say it does we'll be selling them no matter what the unit costs and even w/o 3g and everything else.

 

[kmrivers]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: kmrivers
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/1047-1.htm

Good article. Compares the 680 to the iPhone. They are saying no removable battery. So there you go. Non removable, I had hope with the hidden sim slot.

Some reports that it may be difficult to type. But the auto correction works well according to Pogue.

I am sure it has a learning curve, but I think it would become easy after some use. I couldnt text more than 10 words a minute when I started, now I can zoom through it. The lack of tactile feedback may make it more difficult. We will see though!

I enjoyed that read.

I think that comparison is kind of pointless since iPhone, despite what Jobs tells his sheeple, is NOT a smartphone.

You are creating your own definition of smartphone here. I personally don't think 3rd party software is necessary for something to be considered a smart phone. If you go by wikipedia's definition (not the end all be all of course) but it says:

"Fundamentally, these seem to be the common traits: Smartphones are voice-centric devices (voice is the primary function, data is secondary) that offer PDA-like capabilities, whereas PDAs or Personal Communicators (such as most BlackBerries) may offer voice capabilities, but they are data-centric. Smartphones are generally capable of one-handed operation, while PDAs generally require use of both hands. But it can be argued that this definition based on the device's "focus" may fail, as devices integrate more features [1]].

Smartphone features tend to include Internet access, e-mail access, scheduling software, built-in camera, contact management, GPS navigation software and occasionally the ability to read business documents in a variety of formats such as PDF and Microsoft Office. In the CTIA conference held in Atlanta, Georgia in March 2004, incorporation of television into the smartphone was among the topics discussed."

By this definition, the iPhone for the most part fits the smartphone definition. I can't imagine document readability is too far off. Even so, since you are getting a full page and not a wap version you could maybe pull it off in google docs.

Also, I think you are putting words in Steves mouth. He didnt call the iPhone a smartphone. He compared it to the smartphone, and questioned whether or not they are actually smart. But I can't find anywhere where he came out and said "This is Apples smartphone"

Those who believe anything Jobs says don't have very good listening comprehension.

Is this a smartphone? That depends on how you define it. Most people buying Treos never take that step to putting 3rd party software on their phone. Why?

Too complicated for some.
Also, compatibility (if you get some on there)

When I got my Treo I was pumped. I started throwing apps on my phone. Crash Crash Crash. And guess what there is nothing I can do. I can remove it (which I need another 3rd party app for on Palm at least). And there are tons of apps like this.

Even if the apps work, sometimes you have a mix of apps that conflict. So you have to install them in a certain order.

I have 3 3rd party apps on my treo. One being a different launcher since the Palm one sucks. A file manager and Rlock to make my apps more stable and use less of my user memory.

That is it. I had a game once. Never played it. Tried audio on this thing. No decent players.

Yet I still have a "smartphone" why is it still a smart phone for me? It still handles my appointments, contacts, notes, and the internet (albeit crippled).

By my definition the iPhone is a smartphone. That obviously varies by person. But having the ability to put a bunch of crap software on my phone just because I can, doesnt appeal to me and hasnt since I have had the initial run of that on my Treos.

Should Apple have an open system? Sure why not. But as that article points out, that can detract from the user experience. Apple doesnt want users to come and cry to then when their installed software bricks this thing.

My guess (and this is speculation) at some point they will open it up. Under close watch from Apple though. But maybe they wont. But for me if it does the things I need it to do, and no other phone fits that bill unless it is a "smartphone" then I would consider the iPhone to be a smartphone. That of course is my personal view of this.

 

[Syringer]

Inside information..the "visual voicemail" concept of Apple is in trouble. You heard it here first.

 

[NakaNaka]

If I buy the iPhone when it comes out, can it be upgraded to 3G through software or will only newer versions support 3G.

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Inside information..the "visual voicemail" concept of Apple is in trouble. You heard it here first.

first Google result for visual voicemail.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Syringer
Inside information..the "visual voicemail" concept of Apple is in trouble. You heard it here first.

first Google result for visual voicemail.

Do I see an upcoming Citrix lawsuit?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: patentman
Topic Title: new Ipod/Iphone announced

Interesting name Patentman

Are you involved in the iPhone name dispute with Cisco???

 

[kmrivers]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Syringer
Inside information..the "visual voicemail" concept of Apple is in trouble. You heard it here first.

first Google result for visual voicemail.

Do I see an upcoming Citrix lawsuit?

Did you read the page? That is for IP telephony. Which is what Nortel solutions seem to revolve around.

It has nothing to do with a cellphone.

 

[Koing]

It's kind of gimped if it doesn't have a vibrate option...and the lack of flash on the camera is also poor. I'll see how it works.

Koing

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: kmrivers

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Syringer
Inside information..the "visual voicemail" concept of Apple is in trouble. You heard it here first.

first Google result for visual voicemail.

Do I see an upcoming Citrix lawsuit?

Did you read the page? That is for IP telephony. Which is what Nortel solutions seem to revolve around.

It has nothing to do with a cellphone.

ironically, the same can be said of Cisco's iPhone.

 

[kmrivers]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: kmrivers

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Syringer
Inside information..the "visual voicemail" concept of Apple is in trouble. You heard it here first.

first Google result for visual voicemail.

Do I see an upcoming Citrix lawsuit?

Did you read the page? That is for IP telephony. Which is what Nortel solutions seem to revolve around.

It has nothing to do with a cellphone.

ironically, the same can be said of Cisco's iPhone.

The problem between Cisco and Apple has nothing to do with the nature of the product similarity. Rather it is the name.

Sorry if i am misinterpreting your comment, it just sounds like you are downplaying my point with one that is horribly irrelevant in this case.

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: kmrivers
Did you read the page? That is for IP telephony. Which is what Nortel solutions seem to revolve around.

It has nothing to do with a cellphone.

ironically, the same can be said of Cisco's iPhone.

Apparently, Apple feels the same way:
NYT coverage of Cisco suit
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On Wednesday evening, Apple fired back by noting that several companies besides Cisco were currently using the iPhone brand name. A quick Web search reveals that Comwave, Nuvio and Teledex are all using the brand in different ways.

?We believe that Cisco?s U.S. trademark is tenuous at best,? said Katie Cotton, Apple?s vice president for worldwide communications. ?We are the first company to use the iPhone name for a cellphone and we?re confident we will prevail.?
-------------------------------

 

[NakaNaka]

Originally posted by: Koing
It's kind of gimped if it doesn't have a vibrate option...and the lack of flash on the camera is also poor. I'll see how it works.

Koing

Of course there will be a vibrate option.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
I like the looks of the phone, but I wish they would leave out the damned camera.

Why?

I have a real camera. I don't need a half-assed POS camera adding to the cost of a cellphone when I will never use it.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Cool YouTube vid if no one has seen it yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk&eurl=

 

[noagname]

Originally posted by: EKKC
me wants an iPhone

same

 

[Estrella]

all i want to know is.. can i play q3 on it?

 

[TruePaige]

I want one! It runs OSX too...which is a huge PLUS in my book.

 

[IGBT]

..yet another gadget from "Gadget Shack".

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
I like the looks of the phone, but I wish they would leave out the damned camera.

Why?

I have a real camera. I don't need a half-assed POS camera adding to the cost of a cellphone when I will never use it.

its useful for getting quick and dirty pics for your phone contacts..

 

[NakaNaka]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
I like the looks of the phone, but I wish they would leave out the damned camera.

Why?

I have a real camera. I don't need a half-assed POS camera adding to the cost of a cellphone when I will never use it.

its useful for getting quick and dirty pics for your phone contacts..

And of girls making out in random places where you don't have your camera (cough college humor cough)

 

[loup garou]

Here is a great FAQ by David Pogue about what the iPhone will/won't do:
Text

I think this answers just about every "speculation" we've had in this thread.

ANSWERS TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS:
Can it be used with anything but Cingular? ?No.
Is it an ?unlocked? phone, so I can use it with a carrier other than Cingular? ?No.
Will there be a non-Cingular version? ?Not within the first two years.
Can I put my T-Mobile SIM card in it instead of Cingular? ?No.
But what if I keep asking? Then will it be available beyond Cingular? ?No.
Can it run Mac OS X programs? ?No.
Can I add new programs to it? ?No. Apple wants to control the look and feel and behavior of every aspect of the phone.
Does it run programs from Palm, Symbian, Windows? ?No.
Does it connect to iChat? ?No.
Does it have games? ?No.
Is it ambidextrous? ?No.
Does it have GPS? ?No.
Voice recognition? Voice dialing? Voice memos? ?No, although this could change by June when the phone ships.
Does it get onto the HSDPA (3G) high-speed Internet network that Cingular has rolled out in a few cities? ?No. But Steve Jobs said a later version of the iPhone will ? once there?s enough HSDPA coverage in this country to justify it.
Does the Web browser support Flash or Java? ?No.
Will it play music over Bluetooth? ?Unknown.
Can you change the battery yourself? ?No. You?ll have to send the phone in to Apple for battery replacement, just as with the iPods.
Can it open Word and Excel documents? ?No. (Steve Jobs says it can open PDF files, though.)
Can you use it one-handed? ?Yes, for some functions. But overall, it?s less convenient than on a phone with physical keys.
Can I make a call while driving a car? ?Not as easily as on a regular cellphone with programmed speed-dial keys. (Besides?MUST you?)
Does the camera record video? ?Not yet. Apple may add this feature by June.
Does it connect to standard iPod accessories like car docks and speaker systems? ?Yes!
Does it work overseas? ?Yes. It?s a quad-band GSM phone, meaning you can use it in almost any country (for an added fee, of course).
Is there a Verizon version? ?NO!!!!
Will they make a non-cellphone version?a widescreen touch iPod? ?Nobody knows. Apple doesn?t leak product info until it?s good and ready.
That scrolling through lists thing is glitzy, but what if I have 3,000 names in my address book? ?There?s also an alphabet ?index tab? down the right side of the screen, so you can jump to another spot in the list.
Is there a calendar? ?Yes.
Will it sync with Outlook? ?No.
What about airplane use? ?It has a airplane mode (wireless off), just like any cellphone.
Won?t the screen get smudgy? ?It does, but you don?t see it except when the screen is off. The one I played with was pretty streaky, but wiping it on my sleeve cleaned it completely.
Who on earth would buy this thing? ?Obviously not people who ask this question. But that?s OK?there?s no requirement that everyone buy the iPhone. More for the rest of us!