new Ipod/Iphone announced

[CKent]

Steve Jobs really needs to make some kind of cross-platform iSearch feature, it's the only way moronic Apple fans could avoid reposts.

 

[AnandTech Moderator]

Finally, an iPhone thread!

 

[BillyBatson]

if only it was for sprint!!!!!

 

[Ika]

Omigosh, I never saw this coming!

Thoughts: if the picture on apple.com is real, kudos to the design team (once again). If not, I hope it turns out like that.

 

[MrBond]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

On the other hand, I'm sure that Nokia and SE are not going to just sit and wait til Q4 of this year, they will probably roll out their direct competing models by the, so in the end, we may see some very very interesting models come next holiday season.

Honestly, without the interface, it's really not any better than a smartphone to me. The interface looks amazing (slide to zoom on photos/etc) and I'm sure it's covered by Apple patents.

Jobs even made it a point to say that they had patented much of the interface and would protect those patents in the keynote.

They're going to have to either find a loophole in Apple's patents, or copy them and fight Apple in court if they want to have a similar device.

 

[LS20]

<--- not apple fanboi. hates apple & ipods (except personal 5g video)


but thats an amazing device. interface is AMAZING. kinda like a Smartphone... but wayyyy streamlined.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: MrBond
Honestly, without the interface, it's really not any better than a smartphone to me.

my view on apple products (OS, itunes, ipod, shuffle, etc) are that theyre watered-down, dumbed-down versions of existing products

however, the cross-compatibility/integration theyve built into this thing is truly remarkable

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Ifrit

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: AnyMal
$499.00 4GB model, $599.00 for 8GB model. Prices are with a 2 year contract, ships in June. Cingular gets an exclusive, at least for now.

I pass.

How stupid of Apple. They could deb-brand the thing in terms of Cingular and open it up to the world market. Cingular doesn't exist outside of the USA.

How big is the Ipod market in Asia? The last time I was in HK, they didn't really subsidize their phones. People usually buy them debranded/unlocked.

We can also put the price in perspective. The original 5GB iPod was $499.00 and we know how people responded. In all truth, $500 is about what you'd pay for an unsubsidized smartphone oversees, so we can speculate that it'd sell well.

On the other hand, I'm sure that Nokia and SE are not going to just sit and wait til Q4 of this year, they will probably roll out their direct competing models by the, so in the end, we may see some very very interesting models come next holiday season.

In the UK at least phones are subsidies as well.... and AFAIK smart phones aren't $500, altohugh I haven't paid a huge amount of attention to things recently.
My SLVR was free with a contract extension, I don't see people paying through the roof for the iPod phone when you can get a seperate iPod instead and a free phone.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: MrBond

Originally posted by: AnyMal

On the other hand, I'm sure that Nokia and SE are not going to just sit and wait til Q4 of this year, they will probably roll out their direct competing models by the, so in the end, we may see some very very interesting models come next holiday season.

Honestly, without the interface, it's really not any better than a smartphone to me. The interface looks amazing (slide to zoom on photos/etc) and I'm sure it's covered by Apple patents.

Jobs even made it a point to say that they had patented much of the interface and would protect those patents in the keynote.

They're going to have to either find a loophole in Apple's patents, or copy them and fight Apple in court if they want to have a similar device.

I don't think there is a need to copy anything. Both Nokia and SE have had their own "flavors" or Symbian OS for years and have quite the following, especially oversees. Additionally, SE's Walkman interface while somewhat minimalistic, serve's the purpose quite well for what it is. And what is, it's the phone, first and foremost.

I think that Apple would be better served if they took a PDA/iPod/Web appliance direction, more then the phone. If their quality control issues (dead batterys, poorly tested software patches, random lock ups and freezes, random formatting) will carry over from iPod line then Apple may find itself in a lot of hot water with the consumer. I can live on if my PDA crashes r dies, and I certainly can live with the dead iPod, but if my phone dies and I'm unable to use it (especially in an emergency) then we'r talking about a whole new level of "being upset".

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

In the UK at least phones are subsidies as well.... and AFAIK smart phones aren't $500, altohugh I haven't paid a huge amount of attention to things recently.
My SLVR was free with a contract extension, I don't see people paying through the roof for the iPod phone when you can get a seperate iPod instead and a free phone.

most phones debut at 200,300,400,even 800$ and they QUICKLY drop to <100 or free with various rebates.

with apple's model there are no such rebates or discount available. they set a price and stick with it.

why carry 2 devices instead of 1?

 

[allies]

Wow, that actually, IMO, looks alike a horrible piece of equipment.

 

[imported_Mike]

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[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Ifrit

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: AnyMal
$499.00 4GB model, $599.00 for 8GB model. Prices are with a 2 year contract, ships in June. Cingular gets an exclusive, at least for now.

I pass.

How stupid of Apple. They could deb-brand the thing in terms of Cingular and open it up to the world market. Cingular doesn't exist outside of the USA.

How big is the Ipod market in Asia? The last time I was in HK, they didn't really subsidize their phones. People usually buy them debranded/unlocked.

We can also put the price in perspective. The original 5GB iPod was $499.00 and we know how people responded. In all truth, $500 is about what you'd pay for an unsubsidized smartphone oversees, so we can speculate that it'd sell well.

On the other hand, I'm sure that Nokia and SE are not going to just sit and wait til Q4 of this year, they will probably roll out their direct competing models by the, so in the end, we may see some very very interesting models come next holiday season.

In the UK at least phones are subsidies as well.... and AFAIK smart phones aren't $500, altohugh I haven't paid a huge amount of attention to things recently.
My SLVR was free with a contract extension, I don't see people paying through the roof for the iPod phone when you can get a seperate iPod instead and a free phone.

Check out eBay. Tthe latest and greatest in smartphones average $500 in price. Without any subsidies of course.

 

[Koing]

I'll get one.

Cost isn't too bad to what I have paid in the past, but saying that my last phone was free . If you want it you will save and get it.

Koing

 

[her209]

Wow... and they said RIMM stock was overhyped. I have to ask, what kind of e-mail services does it provide, ie, push or pull? Oh, and good luck getting this to work with Microsoft's ActiveSync technology or BlackBerry's service. :laugh:

(reposted from the other iPhone thread in case the other one gets locked)

 

[UTmtnbiker]

From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

 

[yowolabi]

I've never been interested much in apple products, but that phone looks awesome. It would actually make me consider not buying an mp3 player and getting that instead.

Edit: This is only because i happen to be in the market both for a new phone and a new mp3 player. If I had either that I was happy with already, this wouldn't be a consideration.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: her209
Wow... and they said RIMM stock was overhyped. I have to ask, what kind of e-mail services does it provide, ie, push or pull? Oh, and good luck getting this to work with Microsoft's ActiveSync technology or BlackBerry's service. :laugh:

(reposted from the other iPhone thread in case the other one gets locked)

it SAYS it can work with "most" poopular web-based mail and supports pop3. since it has connectivity options (blue tooth, wired, etc), theres no reason someone cant write a simple interface to Sync it up with popular organizational software

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

My stance. Ive got a PDA for PDA & GPS. Got a phone. Got an Ipod hardwired to the car that sometimes hook up to the work desk. I can combine the Phone & GPS & PDA with a Smartphone, but that still leaves the Ipod standalone.

Ipod has better sound quality than other devices, and more storage. And I have full integration with my car.. so theres no replacing that yet

Apple is only releasing 4gb and 8gb because they can. people will buy it. they will then release it in 20gb+ and the same people will buy it again.

 

[HN]

Originally posted by: her209
Wow... and they said RIMM stock was overhyped. I have to ask, what kind of e-mail services does it provide, ie, push or pull? Oh, and good luck getting this to work with Microsoft's ActiveSync technology or BlackBerry's service. :laugh:

(reposted from the other iPhone thread in case the other one gets locked)

not sure if this addresses the question (as i'm behind on email services stuff) but from Engadget:

"It connects to any POP3 or IMAP email -- Yahoo Mail, MS Exchange, Mac Mail... POP3: Gmail, AOL mail, and most ISPs... let's highlight one, Yahoo mail. Today we are announcing Yahoo will offer free push-IMAP email to iPhone customers. This isn't just IMAP, this is push-email, same as a BlackBerry."

 

[Passions]

When does it come out?

 

[jmgonzalez]

Add some sort of ssh/telnet client on this and i'm getting it the first day it comes out.

I like my Blackberry on Cingular but would jump on this in a heartbeat.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

Yeah but I'd hate to be out of battery when wanting to make a phone call!

I carry a 2nd phone in my bag anyway . iPod in jacket, phone in trouser pocket my other phone in my bag as back up.

It would be nice if it was say 20GB though . I only carry a few hundred MB of songs on my 20GB iPod though...

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: her209
Wow... and they said RIMM stock was overhyped. I have to ask, what kind of e-mail services does it provide, ie, push or pull? Oh, and good luck getting this to work with Microsoft's ActiveSync technology or BlackBerry's service. :laugh:

(reposted from the other iPhone thread in case the other one gets locked)

it SAYS it can work with "most" poopular web-based mail and supports pop3. since it has connectivity options (blue tooth, wired, etc), theres no reason someone cant write a simple interface to Sync it up with popular organizational software

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

My stance. Ive got a PDA for PDA & GPS. Got a phone. Got an Ipod hardwired to the car that sometimes hook up to the work desk. I can combine the Phone & GPS & PDA with a Smartphone, but that still leaves the Ipod standalone.

Ipod has better sound quality than other devices, and more storage. And I have full integration with my car.. so theres no replacing that yet

Apple is only releasing 4gb and 8gb because they can. people will buy it. they will then release it in 20gb+ and the same people will buy it again.

They don't want it totally killing their iPod's and the cost of the memory would be pricey imo. The nano has 8GB for this reason currently and size. The iPod's have a HDD in them.

Koing

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

$500 isn't a lot for people willing to buy $300 phones, but most people aren't willing to spend more than $99 (plus a contract) for a new phone no matter how good it is. I'd imagine that even less people are willing to switch providers and make a 2 year commitment with an inferior phone company just to get a slick looking Apple cell phone with limited media player abilities. Hell... With only 8 GB of storage on the $600 model, it doesn't even have enough storage to store my music collection let alone my movie collection.

That said, I'll probably end up buying one of these (or something like it) when they release a phone with 20 GB of storage, CDMA network support, AND a price tag under $200 with a service contract. They'll release a phone like that eventually, but I'll probably need to wait for another 18 months or so. Like the RAZR before it, this phone will be overpriced rich boys toy for awhile until the price drops and it gains mass market appeal.

 

[patentman]

Originally posted by: Mike

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Huh? I don't recall putting any of those terms in my original post. I like the new Apple device, so what? Doesn't mean I am a rabid fan. Sure, I like the ipod, so do millions of other people. I won'y buy an apple computer however....they are WAY overpriced for what you get in my opinion.

 

[neutralizer]

While I haven't always been a fan of Apple, after seeing the features of the phone, this phone looks awesome, albeit a bit expensive. Hopefully, it'll come down in price so I can afford so I can get a PDA, a new phone, and iPod at the same time. When you put it that way, the price isn't that bad. I would be worried about my phone running out batteries while listening to music.