new Ipod/Iphone announced

[HexiumVII]

Does it come with the rumored DUAL BATTERY?!?!?!?!

 

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The PPC 6700 is the same price. I'm only quoting prices of examples the iphone people have cited.

Rogo

For the last damn time all the prices i'm mentioning are what these cost when they ***WERE RELEASED***, not current prices, since you can't compare a new phone's price to an old phone's price, the treo 700 has been on the market for over 6 months and the 6700 is over a year old, which is why they are heavily discounted, but both of these phones were $499 AT RELEASE with a 2 year contract... Do you understand? AT RELEASE, NOT CURRENT PRICES!!!

Sigh...

 

[her34]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
what's the network speed? EDGE or HSPDA?

how's the battery life?

EDGE
5hr talk/browsing/video/etc time
16hr music playback

And to answer some other questions I've seen through all the threads, I just saw this:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

--No user replaceable battery
--No memory expansion
--No WiFi iTunes sync nor OTA iTMS purchases
--No real Exchange/Office support

ahahahahaha, 2 year contract with a phone you can't replace the battery with?????

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Hmmm. Nice.

I still love Sony Ericsson's camera phones though.

 

[0roo0roo]

go figure, this is the original post?

ah well..

check it out on video
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
you don't really see the interface from a few snaps, its pretty sweet actually. makes you wonder why other companies don't think of such things. and to contrast it with the zune roll out....where microsoft brought out a dud that wasn't well thought out at all...quite a difference.

as for the "not a smart phone post", look at the video demonstration, i don't carewhat 3rd party software you add to most smart phones, it won't touch the apple for the stuff its been made to be good at.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: her34

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
what's the network speed? EDGE or HSPDA?

how's the battery life?

EDGE
5hr talk/browsing/video/etc time
16hr music playback

And to answer some other questions I've seen through all the threads, I just saw this:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

--No user replaceable battery
--No memory expansion
--No WiFi iTunes sync nor OTA iTMS purchases
--No real Exchange/Office support

ahahahahaha, 2 year contract with a phone you can't replace the battery with?????

LOL, what a f*&king joke! Apple never ceases to find ways to screw the consumer.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: her34

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
what's the network speed? EDGE or HSPDA?

how's the battery life?

EDGE
5hr talk/browsing/video/etc time
16hr music playback

And to answer some other questions I've seen through all the threads, I just saw this:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

--No user replaceable battery
--No memory expansion
--No WiFi iTunes sync nor OTA iTMS purchases
--No real Exchange/Office support

ahahahahaha, 2 year contract with a phone you can't replace the battery with?????

LOL, what a f*&king joke! Apple never ceases to find ways to screw the consumer.

Wow that sucks a lot then.

 

[dartworth]

http://iphonebargain.com/

http://iphoneforums.info/

 

[gobucks]

does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: dartworth
http://iphonebargain.com/

http://iphoneforums.info/

:shocked:

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?

Totally agree with your points, but use paragraphs man.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: her34

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
what's the network speed? EDGE or HSPDA?

how's the battery life?

EDGE
5hr talk/browsing/video/etc time
16hr music playback

And to answer some other questions I've seen through all the threads, I just saw this:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

--No user replaceable battery
--No memory expansion
--No WiFi iTunes sync nor OTA iTMS purchases
--No real Exchange/Office support

ahahahahaha, 2 year contract with a phone you can't replace the battery with?????

LOL, what a f*&king joke! Apple never ceases to find ways to screw the consumer.

The only special thing about this phone is that it looks nice. It's not revolutionary or groundbreaking. Can't even run 3rd party software? Wtf? I'll take real buttons any day.

Sure, pocket pc phones are a pain in the ass to use, but this isnt really any better. It looks borderline impossible to use one handed. There are some well though out things like the proximity sensor and accelerometer, but they also throw away the most important, basic things, like an sd card slot.

The safari browser looks like a joke. Hey, just scroll around, and zoom in wherever you want. The problem being you don't know what you're zooming to ahead of time like he did in the demo - browsing sites youve never been to will be retarded with it.

Did anyone else watch the keynote? I swear it felt like I was watching a cult leader, trying to convince me to follow his path...

 

[dakels]

iPhone?s accelerometer detects when you rotate the device from portrait to landscape, then automatically changes the contents of the display, so you immediately see the entire width of a web page or a photo in its proper landscape aspect ratio.

The proximity sensor detects when you lift iPhone to your ear and immediately turns off the display to save power and prevent inadvertent touches until iPhone is moved away.

An ambient light sensor automatically adjusts the display?s brightness to the appropriate level for the current ambient light, thereby enhancing the user experience and saving power at the same time.

This sounds really cool.

Anyways I don't understand why you guys are arguing about money. It's pretty moot. Millions of $500+ phone/PDA/Ipod sales have proven that to many people, that amount of money is not an obstacle, myself included when I paid $500 twice for 2 ipods, $600 for a treo (got ripped off from sprint), etc. People will pay for a pile of dog crap if marketed well.

The touch screen qwerty keyboard and other features make this look really attractive to me. One thing I never liked though is MP3 players with phones. Wasting phone battery life on my music is not an option for me hence why I carry 2 seperate devices. Even though I have an ipod I don't even use that often opting for my tiny Sandisk MP3 player, not only for it's size but the fact that I can easily swap out a AAA battery whenever I need.

What really attracts me to the iphone is the amount of data storage, incredible screen, and (even though I am a techie) apple's products ease of use and integration.

As for the "why is this Cingular only?" Well seems pretty obvious to me. Cingular must have paid Apple a boatload to get an exclusive contract. Good enough for Apple financier's to assume that the cash or whatever deal from Cingular will offset the lost sales for not being an open product (for now). Like alot of phone technology systems, the manufacturers usually give exclusivity to a service provider for a limited time before going to open availability. This guarantees the manufacturer some guaranteed income on the product, a big product launch, and the service provider is banking on boosted contract sales from exclusivity.

Anyways, I look forward to getting my hands on one. The battery kinda concerns me (but its by no means poor) but the MS/Exchange issue does not. I'd suspect a MS/Exchange deal to produce software or someone will find a way even if hacked. Worst case scenario, mail could be forwarded to a 3rd party account like I have always done with my Treo and blackberry accessing Lotus and Exchange mail through my google accounts. Not convenient but it works. The screen sorta concerns me on the Iphone too. Thats one big screen which is going to get dirty, scratched, cracked pretty fast without a cover on (and its touch screen so I dunno how much you could use a cover). I hope there is a easy to swap/replace face plate design.


Did anyone else watch the keynote? I swear it felt like I was watching a cult leader, trying to convince me to follow his path...
You never watched a Steve Jobs keynote before have you?

Oh and about the camera phone. For a phone camera it's pretty decent. I really wouldn't expect people to replace a real camera for a cell phone camera. Megapixel's aren't everything. Lens quality and CCD quality makes a big difference. A 4mp image from decent SLR digital camera is going to be better then a 4mp image from a camera phone any day. It is what it is, a camera phone for those temporary photos.

That also brings up a point in general: You could argue that it doesnt have some more forward technologies like 3g or wimax or whatever else but whats the point? Increase costs to cater to a 2% demand? You know the developers are aware of all the possible technologies probably alot better then any of us. Its a business decision of putting the mix of what will appeal to the most, not the few, balanced by cost.

 

[akshatp]

I quit my first job without telling anyone so, 15 years and counting?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: dartworth
http://iphonebargain.com/

http://iphoneforums.info/

:shocked:

The tears won't stop :laugh:

 

[Kaido]

Decent gallery of the iPhone:

http://www.tuaw.com/photos/iphone-up-close-and-personal/

That's hawt.

 

[Kaido]

Does it have Vibrate? I almost never have my phone set to ring...

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: gobucks
1) No replaceable battery
2) It's not really a smartphone
3) Storage
4) Connectivity
5) Camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness

1) totally agree. while I've let it slide in the past, it's starting to irk me. Nano's I'll still accept as is because you're not going to get that sleek look otherwise... and that is a big part of why people buy them.

2) eh, I will wait to see what happens when it's released. Who's to say 3rd party stuff won't make it on.. just not announced really yet. Offline google docs anyone? or any ajaxy stuff?

3) Agree to an extent. Not going to slap a HDD on there, then it'd be too bulky. But we all know apple wouldn't slap a SDHC slot. Unless they made it some proprietary format that only the phone can read.

4) Eh, data is too expensive for me anyway

5) Meh, doesn't matter to me, all the camera phones are terrible IMO. I don't like how it's being integrated into phones. But if they must... STOP W/ THE MEGAPIXEL WAR.. ugh.. that's my biggest irk w/ digital cameras in general

6) Limited carriers allows apple to more easily diagnose problems I would think. Sorta how OSX can only be run on specific hardware.

In all, this is just a giant trial run I think. They're aiming at a fairly niche group IMO, and if they succeed there, they can then branch out to more mainstream slowly. I suppose we'll find out in a year or so.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: randomlinh
In all, this is just a giant trial run I think. They're aiming at a fairly niche group IMO, and if they succeed there, they can then branch out to more mainstream slowly. I suppose we'll find out in a year or so.

You nailed it. I think we can expect, as someone said earlier, a touchscreen iPod without the phone/PDA features and more storage based off this design and a simpler, smaller nano-like phone with just phone and music capabilities in the future. Those will be their really big sellers, IMO.

Here's some info from David Pogue who had some hands on time with it. To be noted, he could be the biggest Apple fanboy in the press this side of Walk Mossberg, so don't forget your saltshaker (although I do agree with him that you can't base solid opinions on what is essentially a beta version of the software). The fact that even he says typing is difficult cements my opinion that the all touch-screen interface is a step back in usability when it comes to input.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The PPC 6700 is the same price. I'm only quoting prices of examples the iphone people have cited.

Rogo

For the last damn time all the prices i'm mentioning are what these cost when they ***WERE RELEASED***, not current prices, since you can't compare a new phone's price to an old phone's price, the treo 700 has been on the market for over 6 months and the 6700 is over a year old, which is why they are heavily discounted, but both of these phones were $499 AT RELEASE with a 2 year contract... Do you understand? AT RELEASE, NOT CURRENT PRICES!!!

Sigh...

So, using your logic, it's OK for Apple to grossly overcharge their initial customers for this phone just because Treo does the same thing?

Apple is supposedly positioning this thing as a mass market device, and wants to sell 16 million of them (according to CNBC) by the end of the year. Sure, the Apple fanboys will be waiting in line to throw their money away on release day, but that leaves another 12+ million phones to sell by the end of the year. Apple will need to drop the prices on this phone quickly, or they'll just sit there and collect dust on the shelves like another overhyped $599 device that was released last year. Gee, what was that, I can't seem to remember anymore...

 

[LeiZaK]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: AnyMal
$499.00 4GB model, $599.00 for 8GB model. Prices are with a 2 year contract, ships in June. Cingular gets an exclusive, at least for now.

I pass.

How stupid of Apple. They could deb-brand the thing in terms of Cingular and open it up to the world market. Cingular doesn't exist outside of the USA.

Technically, Cingular does not exist inside the USA. It is now AT&T, which does exist worldwide.

 

[LeiZaK]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: BroeBo
More overpriced Apple products. yay!

Lets all stampede to the uber geeks door so that he can have more "excellently timed" stock options!!

I can't wait till the transcribers start to break, and people can't place a phone call! And people will want to replace their battery, and not crash constantly!! Not to mention that Cingular has one of the SLOWEST wanna be wireless connections on a cellular network!!! Sprint is #1 with EVDO rev A, Verizon #2 with EVDO 1x and then 60 miles behind in 3rd place in Cingular (look it up, dont take my word for it!)

/refuse to own any thing Apple makes!
//Much better mp3 players that aren't DRM'ed to #$%^&!

You must be talking about Cingular's GSM/GPRS/EDGE technology... which is a bit outdated, basically 2G/2.5G. If you live in an area with UMTS / HSDPA (3G/3.5G) support, then Cingular's (AT&T's) speed > Sprint or Verizon's EVDO

 

[nightowl]

What will be interesting is that Cisco owns the iPhone trademark.

 

[freegeeks]

no 3G, not interested

I wonder how they are going to implement the visual voice mail feature in Europe, last time I checked AT&T does not have a cellular network in any European market.

For deployment in Europe and parts of Asia they really dropped the ball with the lack of 3G capabilities, it's all about UMTS and HSDPA over here

it looks cool though

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
what's the network speed? EDGE or HSPDA?

how's the battery life?

EDGE
5hr talk/browsing/video/etc time
16hr music playback

And to answer some other questions I've seen through all the threads, I just saw this:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/
--No user replaceable battery
--No memory expansion
--No WiFi iTunes sync nor OTA iTMS purchases
--No real Exchange/Office support

It also mentions no 3rd party software can be installed on it, but I can't believe the widgets will be Apple-only.

WTF? You can't add software onto it?!?!?!