new Ipod/Iphone announced

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Kaido

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Apparently the touchscreen is easily maintainable, i.e. you can clean it with your shirt if it gets too dirty. From what I've read it's supposed to have a rubbery-feeling to it, so maybe they have some nice new anti-smudge screen covering on it. Hope the casing is scratchproof. I really hope they at least open up Widgets to developers too. With a device like this sporting a "real" Internet browser, all sorts of possibilities arise - easily monitoring my work servers, setting up a home security system using webcams that can be viewed easily directly on my phone, email management, financial apps, all kinds of things. Awesome, I am SO in for one!
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: BroeBo
More overpriced Apple products. yay!

Lets all stampede to the uber geeks door so that he can have more "excellently timed" stock options!!

I can't wait till the transcribers start to break, and people can't place a phone call! And people will want to replace their battery, and not crash constantly!! Not to mention that Cingular has one of the SLOWEST wanna be wireless connections on a cellular network!!! Sprint is #1 with EVDO rev A, Verizon #2 with EVDO 1x and then 60 miles behind in 3rd place in Cingular (look it up, dont take my word for it!)

/refuse to own any thing Apple makes!
//Much better mp3 players that aren't DRM'ed to #$%^&!

You must be talking about Cingular's GSM/GPRS/EDGE technology... which is a bit outdated, basically 2G/2.5G. If you live in an area with UMTS / HSDPA (3G/3.5G) support, then Cingular's (AT&T's) speed > Sprint or Verizon's EVDO
Hey now, Verizon's got Rev. A running in stealth mode in 10 top markets now--and will announce in more markets soon!
 

Kaido

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Is it "real" GPS or is it just Google Maps? I was planning on getting a Garmin Nuvi GPS system but if this works just as well...
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: nightowl
What will be interesting is that Cisco owns the iPhone trademark.

It was discussed in another thread here that Cisco has already agreed to license the usage of the iPhone name.

Do you really think a company as big as Apple wouldn't have all of their ducks in a row when it came to something like that?
 

LeiZaK

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Hey now, Verizon's got Rev. A running in stealth mode in 10 top markets now--and will announce in more markets soon!

Verizon employee?
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

$500 isn't a lot for people willing to buy $300 phones, but most people aren't willing to spend more than $99 (plus a contract) for a new phone no matter how good it is. I'd imagine that even less people are willing to switch providers and make a 2 year commitment with an inferior phone company just to get a slick looking Apple cell phone with limited media player abilities. Hell... With only 8 GB of storage on the $600 model, it doesn't even have enough storage to store my music collection let alone my movie collection.

That said, I'll probably end up buying one of these (or something like it) when they release a phone with 20 GB of storage, CDMA network support, AND a price tag under $200 with a service contract. They'll release a phone like that eventually, but I'll probably need to wait for another 18 months or so. Like the RAZR before it, this phone will be overpriced rich boys toy for awhile until the price drops and it gains mass market appeal.

lol @ 18months. Your looking at at least 30months for that 20GB spec and everything else to be $200 with a service contract. You could have more memory but not in the same form factor at the $200 price.

Koing
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: Koing


They don't want it totally killing their iPod's and the cost of the memory would be pricey imo. The nano has 8GB for this reason currently and size. The iPod's have a HDD in them.

Koing

Yeah - my point is that they CAN easily make it 20gb+ , but they dont have to and thus dont want to.

IF it had such capacity, id buy it instantly. i wonder if they have SD slots, though....

It wouldn't be 11.5mm or whatever it is thin with 20GB HD with the phone. 20GB of flash memory would be OBSCENELY expensive. The thing is already too tall in hight at 4.5inches imo.

Koing
 

Fingolfin269

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I may have missed this in the thread...

I thought they were going to have to use a name other than iPhone due to Cisco owning the trademark.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Is it "real" GPS or is it just Google Maps? I was planning on getting a Garmin Nuvi GPS system but if this works just as well...
Just google maps. BT GPS receivers might work with it if they allow GPS software to be installed and support the appropriate COM ports, etc. I wouldn't gamble on it though, judging by the dearth of GPS hardware and software for OSX.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I may have missed this in the thread...

I thought they were going to have to use a name other than iPhone due to Cisco owning the trademark.
LOL, look up a couple posts.
 

Rogodin2

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For the last damn time all the prices i'm mentioning are what these cost when they ***WERE RELEASED***, not current prices, since you can't compare a new phone's price to an old phone's price, the treo 700 has been on the market for over 6 months and the 6700 is over a year old, which is why they are heavily discounted, but both of these phones were $499 AT RELEASE with a 2 year contract... Do you understand? AT RELEASE, NOT CURRENT PRICES!!!

I wasn't arguing that point. I was making manifest the competition for the iphone and how much less those smart phones cost regardless of RELEASE prices.

Rogo
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I may have missed this in the thread...

I thought they were going to have to use a name other than iPhone due to Cisco owning the trademark.
LOL, look up a couple posts.

Wow. I looked at the last page first then went through the first few pages and posted. Should have checked back here again!
 
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Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: AnyMal
$499.00 4GB model, $599.00 for 8GB model. Prices are with a 2 year contract, ships in June. Cingular gets an exclusive, at least for now.

I pass.
How stupid of Apple. They could deb-brand the thing in terms of Cingular and open it up to the world market. Cingular doesn't exist outside of the USA.
Technically, Cingular does not exist inside the USA. It is now AT&T, which does exist worldwide.
Well, technically it's at&t, not AT&T. They are more hip now .
 

James Bond

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Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?

Totally agree with your points, but use paragraphs man.

Great points, especially the last one.
Try bold, though.
 

theNEOone

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only on a tech forum does a product like this get released and everyone jumps on its limitations. this is an amazing device and i'll be the first one in line to get one of these babies. only two things really bother me:
1. runs osx (yuck)
2. 2mp camera

i'm also worried that it won't have some of the most important smartphone features for business (namely, attachment viewers) but i'm confident that this problem will be solved. my issue with the camera is because i currently have a k790a, and with it's 3.2mp camera and insane flash, i've completely stopped using my normal camera. if i lose this feature, i'll be un-consolidatig devices....boo.

replaceable batteries are not an issue for me, as i have more confidence in power saving/consumption technology now than in previous years. the iphone still has issues it needs to work out, and i do feel that i am compromising somewhat with this device, but from what i saw yesterday, i'm extremely excited about buying one - i just wish i could pay retail without having to commit to cingular (even though i've been with them for quite some time, technically the old att wireless.)

to calrify, i'm pretty sure the iphone will support exchange servers for mail...i thought i saw this in the keynote speach.


=|
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: theNEOone
only on a tech forum does a product like this get released and everyone jumps on its limitations.
People are being realistic about its features. Why can you discuss its limitations in your post and we can't? I understand that some people will post "LOLzor no removable battery apple sux!!!," but for the most part this thread has been a civil discussion of the pros and the cons of the device.

Christ, I almost got eaten alive by a guy in the comments of an article at Gizmodo for saying that a lot of large companies won't support it as a business smartphone because it is lacking a lot of security and management features.

I just don't get the zealotry.
 

Golgatha

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I would like to take a moment and thank Steve Jobs for announcing the iPhone at Macworld yesterday and subsequently doubling the value of my AAPL Feb 85 call options in two days.
 

loup garou

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Well, Gizmodo got a little more Q&A in with some Apple folks and it looks like the iPhone will be a closed system like the iPod. Which *probably* means no 3rd party apps, but I bet they will offer Apple-designed widgets through iTMS (I'd hope). The author also states no OTA or WiFi syncing, which sucks, but admits that he may have misunderstood and that is only for music/movies.
 

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NYT article

Others questioned whether the device would be as versatile as other smartphones if it was not truly open ? that is, able to accommodate many programs from third parties, as personal computers are.

Mr. Jobs would not say how open the phone would be to other developers, but added: ?I don?t want people to think of this as a computer. I think of it as reinventing the phone.?

He also said he was anxious to help protect the Cingular network from the kind of viruses and worms that bedevil the PC world today.
The last part implies at least some level of walled garden approach.

Of course, the most extreme way of avoiding virus & worm issues is to not allow 3rd party apps at all. Given you can buy 3rd party apps (games) for iPods, I don't think that is likely.
 

SuperStrokey

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I got cleared from the old lady to get the iphone once it comes out up here in canada (more than likely will be rogers they say). She thinks its great and it has all the features that i need. You guys say that it wont support Office though, are you sure abotu that cause from what i have read it does support office apps and such. Ill look around some more though and see if i find anything and post it here.
 

Gdepp519

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
From a cost/benefit standpoint,

I carry a $200 iPod and just purchased a $300 phone, so $500 for this isn't that outrageous. My belt has my work Blackberry and my pocket carries my personal phone and I keep my iPod in my briefcase. If I can start to de-gadgetize the number of items I have to carry, thumbs up from me!

$500 isn't a lot for people willing to buy $300 phones, but most people aren't willing to spend more than $99 (plus a contract) for a new phone no matter how good it is. I'd imagine that even less people are willing to switch providers and make a 2 year commitment with an inferior phone company just to get a slick looking Apple cell phone with limited media player abilities. Hell... With only 8 GB of storage on the $600 model, it doesn't even have enough storage to store my music collection let alone my movie collection.

That said, I'll probably end up buying one of these (or something like it) when they release a phone with 20 GB of storage, CDMA network support, AND a price tag under $200 with a service contract. They'll release a phone like that eventually, but I'll probably need to wait for another 18 months or so. Like the RAZR before it, this phone will be overpriced rich boys toy for awhile until the price drops and it gains mass market appeal.

*nods in agreement*
 

Raduque

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$500 and among other things, I'd have to switch to craptastic Cingular?

No thanks Apple, I'll keep my Chocolate w/2gb microSD card.
 

Nocturnal

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Originally posted by: Raduque
$500 and among other things, I'd have to switch to craptastic Cingular?

No thanks Apple, I'll keep my Chocolate w/2gb microSD card.

I agree wholeheartedly about the Crapular thing.
 
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