New Jeep Renegade yay/nay?

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NutBucket

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Vegas in summer is great too. Like I said, I'm a lizard. Some people are just born that way
 

BurnItDwn

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Vegas in summer is great too. Like I said, I'm a lizard. Some people are just born that way

Well, I hope you enjoy life in what I consider to be inhospitable wasteland.

That said, I love Chicago area in winter, we get nice breeze, little bit of snow, and generally pretty mild (barely drops much below 0 deg f)
 

Bacstar

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Hey Kaido, time for a roadtrip!

https://youtu.be/gthrdNtQuJQ

Nice video...

Just before winter really set in, I was taking some long drives to kinda commemorate my 10 year anniversary of moving up to Alaska. I noticed a bunch of dirt roads leading off the main road which was calling out to me. One of these days, probably next summer, I'll have to give one a try. In the winter, I'd hate to get stuck and freeze to death.

My Cherokee:
http://1drv.ms/1QB4Car
 
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Topweasel

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Well, I hope you enjoy life in what I consider to be inhospitable wasteland.

That said, I love Chicago area in winter, we get nice breeze, little bit of snow, and generally pretty mild (barely drops much below 0 deg f)
I am with you. From Mi. Man did Vegas at 114 feel like my face was melting and the liquid in my eyes was evaping at an alarming rate. Give me a humid sweating my balls off heat of the north.
 

Kaido

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Hey Kaido, time for a roadtrip!

https://youtu.be/gthrdNtQuJQ

Hah nice! I'm surprised at how well it does off-road, it's definitely not a wanna-be Jeep. I haven't taken it on anything serious (no public trails in CT, have to drive up to Mass for anything fun), but there are some backroads here that are bumpy enough.

Only real issue I've had with it so far is squeaky brakes. As mentioned earlier, there's a TSB out for it, so I need to run it in this month. Range is still junk, best has been 268 miles, worst has been 234. Coming from a Civic where I got an average of 400 miles per tank, it feels pretty pathetic haha. Fuel economy is averaging out to 22.8 MPG. I'm doing about half city, half highway right now & it's rated for 21/29, so it's definitely on the low side:

http://www.fuelly.com/car/jeep/renegade/2015/kaidomac/399729

I've swapped out with my wife's Forester a few times & I would say that the Forester is definitely a better car, almost the next class up of car: way better visibility, better handling, far better acceleration, etc. But you feel like you get your man card back in the Jeep, so at least there's that I think if they dumped the 9-speed transmission for a quality CVT like Subaru has, it would be a night & day difference. I call the acceleration lag in the Renegade "turbo lag" haha. That's probably the most annoying thing about the car. If you're at a stop & punch it, it's fine because it doesn't have to drop from gear 8 or 9 to 4 to get power, but if you're on the highway, there's a significant & noticeable delay when you need to gun it. I've adapted, but again, after driving my wife's Forester, it's amazing how much better Subaru's CVT is as a transmission, almost enough that I wish I had just gotten a base model Forester instead. But I love my Jeep & enjoy all of the bells & whistles, especially for the price

Uconnect is pretty meh. The voice dial thing needs an "end talking" keyword. It listens for like 15 seconds before it translates your voice to text to search, so you have to be really quiet for awhile after saying "Call Bob", and if it picks up any acceleration noise or talking in the background, it spazzes out. On the flip side, the voice stuff is more accurate than Siri, so that's nice. I've experienced some glitches with the Uconnect system as well, and it can be a little slow to boot up & stuff. Backup camera looks terrible at night, like a VHS transfer to DIVX haha. Needs some IR LED's back there!

I did sign up for the free year trial of Uconnect's service. Works like crap, but that's because Sprint is absolutely terrible in Connecticut. I rarely get above one bar on the display. I think I've only been able to make the iPhone remote start work twice out of a dozen times because it just can't pick up the signal. Viper's SmartStart is definitely a better way to go in my area because it uses Verizon's 3G network, which has really good coverage where I live. When I was activating it, it kept dropping the call from the car's built-in phone system, so I had to drive to a different area where I got two bars in order to get a usable signal (and it was still faint!). So they really cheaped out by going with the worst network available; I'd even take AT&T over Sprint lol. I definitely won't be renewing it at the end of the trial!

The heated steering wheel is by far my favorite feature. Sooooooo nice. I'd like to put some neoprene waterproof seat covers on, but I'm not sure how much that would diminish the heated seat feature, which doesn't get crazy hot. Oh yeah, the top middle vents are pretty anemic, even at max airflow. It got pretty cold on my drive home last night & only the vent by the door was really pumping anything usable out. Makes me miss my Volvo's 6-cylinder engine a bit, that thing heated up QUICK & really blew out the hot air! Even if I do the 15-minute preheat via remote start, the 4-cylinder takes awhile to warm up to the point where it's really cranking out heat, so it's usually still cold when I go outside for my morning commute. But that's to be expected on smaller engines like this.

The one feature I wish it had was radar cruise, which my Forester has (EyeSight), since I do a lot of highway driving. Radar creep mode in stop & go traffic would be awesome too, I would have paid more for both of those features for sure. But it's going to be a few more years until that stuff comes to the sub-$30k car market. Hmm, what else. I do like sitting up in the seat, rather than leaning back like in my Civic. I also really like the height from the ground...I don't have to angle the car in to go up steep driveways or bumpy parking lot entrances at all, which is really nice. Overall I really like the car, it's been treating me well so far! Other than the squeaky brakes (for which a fix is available for), my only complaint is the acceleration lag, but I've mostly gotten used to that. The rest is gravy! :thumbsup:
 

Kaido

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Oh yeah, it's also been popular among my Jeep friends. Can handle most of the stuff a regular Jeep can, as long as you're not too crazy with lifts & climbing, but has a nice car-like feel to it...no rattles or wind noise or breakage etc.
 

gorcorps

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I rented a renegade for the holidays and I've been driving it for a few days now. Not a bad small SUV option, but there's a couple things that would steer me away from calling it a good daily driver.

First, the pillars are massive and cause some blind spots. I'm not sure why they're so big... they weren't this big even on my Grand Cherokee. It also makes the vehicle seemed more cramped with having so much material around the pillars.

Second, the ride is quite rough and uncomfortable. Even driving on side roads that just had some ice buildup was enough to notice how much you'll feel anything you drive over. The seats are also pretty stiff too, but I also know that Chrysler uses different foam in different trim levels so the better ones might be more comfortable.

That said it has a pretty good dash and interior layout like most Chryslers do. The steering is responsive, though the acceleration was a little sluggish (I was able to turn off eco mode on the GC to get more acceleration, but I didn't see that on this one). It has a lot of the creature comforts that most Jeeps have (heated seats and steering wheel) and the higher trims should have even more. I haven't driven a Cherokee to compare, but I have a feeling it'd be a better ride for me.

However, I can't speak for how it would be for the off-road types which may be where the strength lies. It's definitely a better daily driver than a wrangler, so if you're not doing too much crazy rock climbing it's a better balance between comfort and still retaining some ruggedness. I just wish visibility was better.
 

Kaido

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I rented a renegade for the holidays and I've been driving it for a few days now.

Yeah, pretty much everything you said. The blindspot indicators are a lifesaver in this car, but I don't know why it's so poorly designed..the C-pillars are just abysmal. Best guess is if they were trying to get a 5-star rating in rollover, so they just beefed it up a lot. As far as the ride goes, it is fairly stiff, but I was coming originally from a Kia Soul, which has the ride-feel equivalent of zero suspension, so it's a huge step up for me. But after driving my wife's Forester, the Renegade...well, it's definitely a Jeep suspension, haha.

Honestly, if I were to do it again, I would consider another Forester, which is just really well-designed all around. But I do love my Jeep! It has a fun macho feel to it & fits me well. I do sit comfortably in it too. Probably my biggest usability complaint is I'm only getting 23mpg, which works out to like 250 miles of range. On the flip side, a quick $20 fillup & I'm off, so that ain't bad either after my Volvo from a couple years ago that ate $84 a tank for premium (back when gas was expensive).
 

gorcorps

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Yeah, pretty much everything you said. The blindspot indicators are a lifesaver in this car, but I don't know why it's so poorly designed..the C-pillars are just abysmal. Best guess is if they were trying to get a 5-star rating in rollover, so they just beefed it up a lot. As far as the ride goes, it is fairly stiff, but I was coming originally from a Kia Soul, which has the ride-feel equivalent of zero suspension, so it's a huge step up for me. But after driving my wife's Forester, the Renegade...well, it's definitely a Jeep suspension, haha.

Honestly, if I were to do it again, I would consider another Forester, which is just really well-designed all around. But I do love my Jeep! It has a fun macho feel to it & fits me well. I do sit comfortably in it too. Probably my biggest usability complaint is I'm only getting 23mpg, which works out to like 250 miles of range. On the flip side, a quick $20 fillup & I'm off, so that ain't bad either after my Volvo from a couple years ago that ate $84 a tank for premium (back when gas was expensive).

Maybe... everything in the car just seemed to bulbous it make the car seem a lot smaller on the inside than it needed to be. I don't know if the pillars are actually that big or just the molding around them was that large, but it was distracting.

Another thing I noticed about it driving between Denver and CO Springs, is it's either underpowered or the transmission programming is just that bad. Using cruise control on a hilly road is pretty bad. It constantly changes gears to get its ass up the hill and then shifts again as soon as it can. I think it may be the way Jeep/Chrysler programs the transmission, as there were a lot of complaints about similar things in the Grand Cherokee. They came out with 3 or 4 different software updates just for the transmission because people complained so much. It was better if you turned off ECO mode, but that doesn't seem to be an option on the Renegade (or the one I was driving).

Anyway, I only drove it for a week but I really wouldn't recommend it. Seems like there's better options out there in that form factor.
 

Kaido

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Another thing I noticed about it driving between Denver and CO Springs, is it's either underpowered or the transmission programming is just that bad. Using cruise control on a hilly road is pretty bad. It constantly changes gears

I went in to get the brake kit applied (TSB) to fix the screech, which it seems to have done (a few days in & no squealing, yay!). They also flashed the transmission with an update, which has really improved the transmission. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than it was. Still, I am not a fan of the 9-speed. Would have preferred a 5-speed, or alternatively a Subaru CVT.

On the flip side, this thing is a beast in snow. Press the 4WD Lock button, select Snow, and off we go! I didn't even have to shovel out my parking space (6" of snow), just rolled right over it & drove through the mess on the road. Very very glad I went with a car with some height & AWD/4WD capabilities. I've been alternating driving my wife's Forester, which I haven't taken in the snow yet, and it does nearly everything better - acceleration, handling, visibility, etc., but the Jeep fits me a lot better (6' tall) whereas the Forester does feel narrower for my legs.
 

NutBucket

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That just means you're fat, not tall I have plenty of room in the Fozzy and I'm the same height.
 

gorcorps

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Well, I got bit by the Jeep Curse tonight:

http://www.jeeprenegadeforum.com/fo...on/43234-renegade-going-nuts-waiting-tow.html

This puts a damper on my weekend

That sounds eerily like the beginning of my Grand Cherokee problems. A low battery caused the system to behave like that, and the cause of the draining battery turned out to be a body control module. Took them over 3 months to track it down and their customer service was awful... good luck. I had to FIGHT to get a rental, and they refused to give me a like vehicle.

I'd be interested if jumping the car gets it back working again. If so, I'd bet you have a similar body control module issue.

my thread: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/instrument-panel-causing-battery-drain-2829330/
 
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Kaido

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That sounds eerily like the beginning of my Grand Cherokee problems. A low battery caused the system to behave like that, and the cause of the draining battery turned out to be a body control module. Took them over 3 months to track it down and their customer service was awful... good luck. I had to FIGHT to get a rental, and they refused to give me a like vehicle.

I'd be interested if jumping the car gets it back working again. If so, I'd bet you have a similar body control module issue.

my thread: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/instrument-panel-causing-battery-drain-2829330/

I went out later Saturday night to get my drink from the car & messed with it some more. I tried the remote start & all it did was hiss. Played around with it some more, it started, then died, citing needing service. Finally got it started, then it just said service engine. I opted to wait for the tow truck guy this morning rather than risk driving it down to the dealership.

They didn't open until 7, so I called them right off the bat. The service lady was very unhelpful because I didn't have an appointment & they were out of loaner cars. They were closed Saturday evening, all day Sunday, and Monday morning, and my 3-month-old car with only 3,000 miles was tanked, so yeah, I wasn't a real happy camper when I got attitude right off the bat. Fortunately the service desk guy was better. He heard the brakes squealing again when he pulled it in & watched all of the crazy messages go across the dash when he hooked up his OBD-II reader, so at least he saw what was going on.

They ended up giving me a white Renegade as a loaner for the next couple of days. It's a base model, but with 4,000 miles on it, and is nicer than mine - mine has a noticeably rough idle (so maybe something IS goofed up with the engine) & the shifting is much better on the white one...I didn't notice the lag areas that mine had so much. Only downside is that a chain smoker had driven the car before me, smelled terrible! Oh well.

This issue wasn't unexpected. One of my concerns that I brought up to my salesman was this exact thing, where the car goes bananas between 3k & 6k miles. I purposely made him walk me through the service area, tell me about the loaner cars, etc. in the event that this happened. And of course, it did

I am curious what the root cause is. Even though my Renegade is better off-road, I will be taking my wife's Forester out for camping/fishing/scout/etc. trips because I don't want to risk breaking down in the middle of nowhere, especially since there are no official public trails in Connecticut, so I have to go to Mass or Maine for anything really fun. I'm glad this didn't happen when I was on some dirt road in the boonies!
 

heymrdj

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I went out later Saturday night to get my drink from the car & messed with it some more. I tried the remote start & all it did was hiss. Played around with it some more, it started, then died, citing needing service. Finally got it started, then it just said service engine. I opted to wait for the tow truck guy this morning rather than risk driving it down to the dealership.

They didn't open until 7, so I called them right off the bat. The service lady was very unhelpful because I didn't have an appointment & they were out of loaner cars. They were closed Saturday evening, all day Sunday, and Monday morning, and my 3-month-old car with only 3,000 miles was tanked, so yeah, I wasn't a real happy camper when I got attitude right off the bat. Fortunately the service desk guy was better. He heard the brakes squealing again when he pulled it in & watched all of the crazy messages go across the dash when he hooked up his OBD-II reader, so at least he saw what was going on.

They ended up giving me a white Renegade as a loaner for the next couple of days. It's a base model, but with 4,000 miles on it, and is nicer than mine - mine has a noticeably rough idle (so maybe something IS goofed up with the engine) & the shifting is much better on the white one...I didn't notice the lag areas that mine had so much. Only downside is that a chain smoker had driven the car before me, smelled terrible! Oh well.

This issue wasn't unexpected. One of my concerns that I brought up to my salesman was this exact thing, where the car goes bananas between 3k & 6k miles. I purposely made him walk me through the service area, tell me about the loaner cars, etc. in the event that this happened. And of course, it did

I am curious what the root cause is. Even though my Renegade is better off-road, I will be taking my wife's Forester out for camping/fishing/scout/etc. trips because I don't want to risk breaking down in the middle of nowhere, especially since there are no official public trails in Connecticut, so I have to go to Mass or Maine for anything really fun. I'm glad this didn't happen when I was on some dirt road in the boonies!

You're kidding yourself if you think that the forester can't do the same. Our sales guy's 2015 Forester was in the shop after only 700 miles. Ended up being ECM.
 

michal1980

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So basically you completely defeated the purpose of buying a new vehicle?

and got a small suv, that burns gas at the same rate as a large one. Edmunds has a renegaded on a long term test, their mpgs on long road trips is barely braking 20mpg.

fail.
 

Kaido

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That sounds eerily like the beginning of my Grand Cherokee problems. A low battery caused the system to behave like that, and the cause of the draining battery turned out to be a body control module. Took them over 3 months to track it down and their customer service was awful... good luck. I had to FIGHT to get a rental, and they refused to give me a like vehicle.

I'd be interested if jumping the car gets it back working again. If so, I'd bet you have a similar body control module issue.

my thread: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/instrument-panel-causing-battery-drain-2829330/

Yup, it was the BCM. They reprogrammed it & it "magically worked". They have no explanation at all. I don't trust that the machine won't do this again :thumbsdown:

Is there an at-home reset for it? They didn't say they replaced it, just reprogrammed it. The tech had already gone home for the day, but I'll be calling back tomorrow to get a more detailed explanation other than a shoulder shrug. It killed two of my work days to deal with this, so I definitely want a better explanation than "we dunno, we rebooted this thing & it worked!" on a new car with only 3,000 miles on it.

I knew what I was getting into buying both a Jeep & a first-gen model at that, so I'm not exactly shocked. Kind of turns me off from ever buying a Jeep again. However, I really like the car a lot - it's roomy & fits me well, plows through snow, it's different, etc. - so hopefully I can go another 10 years with minimal issues. If not, the new Focus RS has AWD
 

Kaido

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You're kidding yourself if you think that the forester can't do the same. Our sales guy's 2015 Forester was in the shop after only 700 miles. Ended up being ECM.

That's absolutely true, but given that I had read a bunch about this exact issue with the Renegade, again I'm not exactly shocked that it happened. Plus I've made it to, I dunno, 15k miles in the Forester so far without a hiccup.

I definitely wouldn't do a solo trail run or camping trip in this car just in case it blows up again because I've been in a few places that tow trucks can't really get to, so I'd need someone to pull me out.
 

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Yup, it was the BCM. They reprogrammed it & it "magically worked". They have no explanation at all. I don't trust that the machine won't do this again :thumbsdown:



Is there an at-home reset for it? They didn't say they replaced it, just reprogrammed it. The tech had already gone home for the day, but I'll be calling back tomorrow to get a more detailed explanation other than a shoulder shrug. It killed two of my work days to deal with this, so I definitely want a better explanation than "we dunno, we rebooted this thing & it worked!" on a new car with only 3,000 miles on it.



I knew what I was getting into buying both a Jeep & a first-gen model at that, so I'm not exactly shocked. Kind of turns me off from ever buying a Jeep again. However, I really like the car a lot - it's roomy & fits me well, plows through snow, it's different, etc. - so hopefully I can go another 10 years with minimal issues. If not, the new Focus RS has AWD


Ughh...this is what keeps me from buying a Jeep. Between empirical data and the fact that every person I know who has had a jeep has had a lot of problems (new or old), I always get turned off. When I bought my 4Runner, the new Jeep GC was really tempting...but I just couldn't do it and I regret nothing after having several friends who have had problems with their new GC's.
 
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