New Jeep Renegade yay/nay?

Page 6 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
Ughh...this is what keeps me from buying a Jeep. Between empirical data and the fact that every person I know who has had a jeep has had a lot of problems (new or old), I always get turned off. When I bought my 4Runner, the new Jeep GC was really tempting...but I just couldn't do it and I regret nothing after having several friends who have had problems with their new GC's.

Same, I think every single one of my Jeep friends complains about reliability issues, especially on the GC's. I was close to getting an Xterra, but the interior on the new ones is pretty outdated & it's larger than I wanted, plus 2015 is the final model year now that they're ending production, so I didn't want to be stuck with another Saturn.

On the flip side, there aren't really any other cars like the Renegade. It's super roomy inside, fun to drive on & off road, tons of cool techie features, AWD + 4WD, compact, etc. So...I still like the car...just not the quirks...but I knew what I was getting into (Jeep brand + first-year model + online history of issues + issue-laden 9-speed tranny), so it's not a shocker that it went berserk, just frustrating. But they were able to get it fixed same-day, so fingers crossed I don't have a lemon!

They also fixed the brakes again, this time by putting "anti-squeak" on them
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
59,145
9,585
126
My Jeep Cherokee was virtually flawless. I bought it with 60k, and parked it with 200k. I replaced 2 water pumps, and a fuel pump. Everything else was routine maintenance. I still have it, but guesstimate it would take $2k to make road worthy, and with all the miles on it, I'm not sure I want to.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
Same, I think every single one of my Jeep friends complains about reliability issues, especially on the GC's. I was close to getting an Xterra, but the interior on the new ones is pretty outdated & it's larger than I wanted, plus 2015 is the final model year now that they're ending production, so I didn't want to be stuck with another Saturn.

On the flip side, there aren't really any other cars like the Renegade. It's super roomy inside, fun to drive on & off road, tons of cool techie features, AWD + 4WD, compact, etc. So...I still like the car...just not the quirks...but I knew what I was getting into (Jeep brand + first-year model + online history of issues + issue-laden 9-speed tranny), so it's not a shocker that it went berserk, just frustrating. But they were able to get it fixed same-day, so fingers crossed I don't have a lemon!

They also fixed the brakes again, this time by putting "anti-squeak" on them

except you know, the 500x
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
except you know, the 500x

Same chassis, not the same car. The 500x is basically a lifted dune buggy. Interior-wise, it's more comparable to a Mazda CX-5. The Renegade is tons roomier thanks to the boxy design.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
Same chassis, not the same car. The 500x is basically a lifted dune buggy. Interior-wise, it's more comparable to a Mazda CX-5. The Renegade is tons roomier thanks to the boxy design.

same chassis, almost exactly the same size. Same engines, same transmissions. Jeep is just more jacked up, and trailhawk has a different awd system.

Most everything else is make up.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
same chassis, almost exactly the same size. Same engines, same transmissions. Jeep is just more jacked up, and trailhawk has a different awd system.

Most everything else is make up.

I kind wish I had gotten the Trailhawk since it already has all of the offroad stuff built-in, plus it comes in the cool anvil blue color, but I've read that the extra lift makes the ride rougher, plus the Trailhawk doesn't have a lot of the gadgets that the Latitude has, and I can always buy tow hooks etc. aftermarket pretty easily.
 

piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
17,168
60
91
Jeeps are notorious for high gas mileage and being overpriced. Personally I think all cars are overpriced. However if you are an off-road enthusiast, this might be what you are looking for.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
30,739
454
126
Jeeps are notorious for high gas mileage and being overpriced. Personally I think all cars are overpriced. However if you are an off-road enthusiast, this might be what you are looking for.

That's very dependent on the model. The GC w/ 8 speed transmission had decent mileage for the size. I was averaging 22-23, and get less than 20 on the Highlander now.
 

exar333

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2004
8,518
8
91
Besides the GC, the Renegade is the best-looking Jeep around right now IMHO. The Cherokee is really ugly and overpriced. The Renegade should be just a tad bigger and 'be' the Cherokee.

My issue with Jeep is that you want options from one trim-level and some from another, and you are forced to pick and choose. I don't like that...
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
14,582
162
106
That's very dependent on the model. The GC w/ 8 speed transmission had decent mileage for the size. I was averaging 22-23, and get less than 20 on the Highlander now.


Yeah, I like very thing about the GC other than the reliability.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
30,739
454
126
Yeah, I like very thing about the GC other than the reliability.

Yeah, so did I. I kind of miss it every once in a while, but then remember the problems I had and how poorly they were handled and I usually get over it. Still... it was SO CLOSE to being exactly what I need
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
Yeah, so did I. I kind of miss it every once in a while, but then remember the problems I had and how poorly they were handled and I usually get over it. Still... it was SO CLOSE to being exactly what I need

I was on the road a bunch yesterday in Connecticut's morning snowstorm & the Renegade was a total beast in the snow. I drove through some unplowed parking lots (8 to 10 inches) just to see if I could get stuck & had no problems. I haven't had to shovel out my car at all this season because I can just back out over pretty much anything (I'm in an open parking lot) :thumbsup:

I only have two complaints: first, the shorter wheelbase exhibited the same problem my Kia Soul did in the snow - it did a side-to-side wobble, sort of like fishtailing but including the front. The Kia did it at about 40mph & the Renegade did it at about 45mph on really bad roads. Haven't had that problem in longer cars, so that's probably the main drawback to having a relatively short car. So I guess not so much of a complaint as just an awareness of performance under specific circumstances...it's very solid under 40 on crappy roads.

Second, I wasn't impressed with the stopping capabilities in the slush. In fact, it's one of the worst cars I've driven in terms of snow-stopping abilities. I slid halfway through an intersection at a low speed & nearly t-boned someone, despite attempting to stop way ahead of time & not driving fast, and ice not being on the road (plus brand-new tires!). I don't understand why snow-stopping performance is so bad. I'll have to play with the tiptronic manual shifting system to see if that helps out at all for slowing it down better. This is the second storm my Renegade has been in & stopping has been an issue in both of them. The closest thing it feels like is driving in the rain on bald tires & trying to stop, just kind of turns into air hockey. As it stands, the remedy is to start slowing down about double what I would normally in the snow, which is already about double of regular driving. The ABS just feels kind of useless, like it's making a half-hearted effort.

Hill performance is excellent. I live at the top of a steep hill & have to park at the bottom & hike home probably a third of the time when it's snowing because I can't get up the hill. Zero problems climbing hills, including when fully stopped - I was at at intersection on a hill and caught a red light and got a little worried I'd slide all the way back, but the Jeep didn't even flinch when the light turned green. It was really nice not just spinning out, sliding back, or doing the side-to-side bob trying to get some traction. Angled roads are great too - I was at a stop sign on a level road that curved up sharply onto a hill and didn't have any problem merging up on it from a complete stop.

Really, aside from the stopping issue, it's better than I bargained for for winter driving. It's nice having Jeep performance without having to have a thin Jeep body...I get good bad-weather performance, plus insulation! One thing I really like about it is the front-window defroster, which ACTUALLY WORKS! If my windshield & front side windows fog up, I can have them cleared in under a minute by hitting that button & cranking the heat, which has been a big issue in nearly every other car I've had (especially since it's hilly where I live, so the window fog can come on fast when you change elevations).

The 4WD lock button set to Snow works pretty well. One thing it does is locks down the electronic steering so that it's harder to over-correct, which actually helps out a lot when you're making a turn in slush, start sliding out too far, and react by cranking the wheel in...the ESC & TC systems work with the tightened steering pretty dang well to keep you moving without going all over the road.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
I was on the road a bunch yesterday in Connecticut's morning snowstorm & the Renegade was a total beast in the snow. I drove through some unplowed parking lots (8 to 10 inches) just to see if I could get stuck & had no problems. I haven't had to shovel out my car at all this season because I can just back out over pretty much anything (I'm in an open parking lot) :thumbsup:

I only have two complaints: first, the shorter wheelbase exhibited the same problem my Kia Soul did in the snow - it did a side-to-side wobble, sort of like fishtailing but including the front. The Kia did it at about 40mph & the Renegade did it at about 45mph on really bad roads. Haven't had that problem in longer cars, so that's probably the main drawback to having a relatively short car. So I guess not so much of a complaint as just an awareness of performance under specific circumstances...it's very solid under 40 on crappy roads.

Second, I wasn't impressed with the stopping capabilities in the slush. In fact, it's one of the worst cars I've driven in terms of snow-stopping abilities. I slid halfway through an intersection at a low speed & nearly t-boned someone, despite attempting to stop way ahead of time & not driving fast, and ice not being on the road (plus brand-new tires!). I don't understand why snow-stopping performance is so bad. I'll have to play with the tiptronic manual shifting system to see if that helps out at all for slowing it down better. This is the second storm my Renegade has been in & stopping has been an issue in both of them. The closest thing it feels like is driving in the rain on bald tires & trying to stop, just kind of turns into air hockey. As it stands, the remedy is to start slowing down about double what I would normally in the snow, which is already about double of regular driving. The ABS just feels kind of useless, like it's making a half-hearted effort.

Hill performance is excellent. I live at the top of a steep hill & have to park at the bottom & hike home probably a third of the time when it's snowing because I can't get up the hill. Zero problems climbing hills, including when fully stopped - I was at at intersection on a hill and caught a red light and got a little worried I'd slide all the way back, but the Jeep didn't even flinch when the light turned green. It was really nice not just spinning out, sliding back, or doing the side-to-side bob trying to get some traction. Angled roads are great too - I was at a stop sign on a level road that curved up sharply onto a hill and didn't have any problem merging up on it from a complete stop.

Really, aside from the stopping issue, it's better than I bargained for for winter driving. It's nice having Jeep performance without having to have a thin Jeep body...I get good bad-weather performance, plus insulation! One thing I really like about it is the front-window defroster, which ACTUALLY WORKS! If my windshield & front side windows fog up, I can have them cleared in under a minute by hitting that button & cranking the heat, which has been a big issue in nearly every other car I've had (especially since it's hilly where I live, so the window fog can come on fast when you change elevations).

The 4WD lock button set to Snow works pretty well. One thing it does is locks down the electronic steering so that it's harder to over-correct, which actually helps out a lot when you're making a turn in slush, start sliding out too far, and react by cranking the wheel in...the ESC & TC systems work with the tightened steering pretty dang well to keep you moving without going all over the road.

4wd helps you drive faster.

winter tires will help you stop, and steer better in the snow.

Which is more important?

Hopefully you don't end up like a lot of the awd/4wd noobs - off the road in a ditch because you thought your awd/4wd made you king of the road.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
winter tires will help you stop, and steer better in the snow.

The weird thing is how poorly it stops in the snow; I don't know why. All of my previous FWD cars stopped way better, on stock tires no less. My last Kia Soul stopped way better than the Renegade does. Both wearing factory-stock all-season tires.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
The weird thing is how poorly it stops in the snow; I don't know why. All of my previous FWD cars stopped way better, on stock tires no less. My last Kia Soul stopped way better than the Renegade does. Both wearing factory-stock all-season tires.

not all tires are the same.

not all season tires are equal.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
Odd then that the tires on a Jeep would be inferior to a Kia.

I'd invest in snow tires, but it's only snowed twice the whole year so far...maybe next year haha.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
Odd then that the tires on a Jeep would be inferior to a Kia.

I'd invest in snow tires, but it's only snowed twice the whole year so far...maybe next year haha.

Don't know what kia soul you had,

but the 2 lower tier jeeps come with tires that were tested by tirerack

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=176
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=203

Just look at the wet stopping range between these 6 all season tires.

(didn't find snow tests)

best tire - 111 feet, worst 146. 35 foot difference in stopping ability on wet roads, 2.5 lengths of your jeep.

The jeep tires range from 120ft to 126ft so not to great, but overall the test shows you the big differences in stopping ability of different tires. And the differences are usually made clear when the conditions are the worst.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
59,145
9,585
126
Try using your gearbox more than your brakes. Dunno about the Renegade, but when I got my Cherokee, I was *very* impressed at the Rwd handling. Might have been technical improvements that come with time, but it was better than anything I previously drove aside from my aircooled Vdubs.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
Try using your gearbox more than your brakes. Dunno about the Renegade, but when I got my Cherokee, I was *very* impressed at the Rwd handling. Might have been technical improvements that come with time, but it was better than anything I previously drove aside from my aircooled Vdubs.

why?

Only thing stopping you is your tires. Using your brakes or gearbox doesn't change that.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
59,145
9,585
126
why?

Only thing stopping you is your tires. Using your brakes or gearbox doesn't change that.

It changes how traction works when you're stopping. Antilock brakes aren't as good as doing it right in the first place. They're for people who mash the pedal when they get panicked.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
It changes how traction works when you're stopping. Antilock brakes aren't as good as doing it right in the first place. They're for people who mash the pedal when they get panicked.

ahh so your the super driver on the public roads.

What pro team do you race for?
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
59,145
9,585
126
ahh so your the super driver on the public roads.

What pro team do you race for?

I don't race. My experience is ~1m miles of every driving condition from high speed highway, to *creating* trails through woods. There's plenty of people with better singular experience than I have, but there's few that have a more rounded experience.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
50,182
6,415
136
Try using your gearbox more than your brakes. Dunno about the Renegade, but when I got my Cherokee, I was *very* impressed at the Rwd handling. Might have been technical improvements that come with time, but it was better than anything I previously drove aside from my aircooled Vdubs.

Unfortunately it's an automatic. It does have tiptronic, but it's a Jeep tiptronic, i.e. it lags & performance stinks haha. Sometimes it takes one to two seconds between manually shifting & actually doing anything, which is different than any other tiptronic system I've driven (was always instant or near-instant response...Jeep's 9-speed is just garbage, blah!). Wish I had gotten the stick-shift, but had to cave to family demands
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |