New prison photos emerge

MegaWorks

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3734531.stm

In sworn statements, detainees said they were beaten, sexually humiliated and force-fed pork and alcohol.

A video has also emerged showing a detainee being dragged along the floor.

The grainy image also shows another prisoner being slapped across the face, while one naked Iraqi crouches on the floor.

The new photos include one of a prisoner being menaced by a soldier with a dog.

In other abuses depicted in the latest pictures:


A naked prisoner who appears to be covered in excrement is paraded down a corridor

A hooded detainee is pictured in a state of collapse

A US soldier appears to be raining blows on detainees sprawled on the floor.

The Washington Post report also describes a video clip in which a shackled inmate repeatedly slams his bloody head against a metal door, before collapsing.

One detainee, named in the report as Ameen Saeed al-Sheik, said he was asked by a soldier whether he believed in anything.

"I said to him, 'I believe in Allah.' So he said, 'But I believe in torture and I will torture you.'"

He said one soldier struck his broken leg and ordered him to curse Islam.

"Because they started to hit my broken leg, I curse my religion," the paper quoted him as saying. "They ordered me to thank Jesus I'm alive."
 

TravisT

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That's pretty bad. I wonder if Nick Berg wishes he'd have had that happen rather than getting his head cut off. What do you think?
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: TravisT
That's pretty bad. I wonder if Nick Berg wishes he'd have had that happen rather than getting his head cut off. What do you think?

Are you justifying these actions because of Nick Berg's death?
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: TravisT
That's pretty bad. I wonder if Nick Berg wishes he'd have had that happen rather than getting his head cut off. What do you think?

Funny you should mention that.

I just watched a documentary last night on a prison compound called S21, in Combodia during the Khmer rouge years.

The prisoners were routinely beaten and one of the primary concerns of the guards was to prevent them from killing themselves. There were detailed reports from the guards at the time (very beaurocratic. these guys were) of incidents where prisoners writing confessions would use the pen to stab themselves in the neck, or use their shirts to hang themselves, or pour the oil from a lamp and light themselves on fire, anything to kill themselves and end the misery.
 

gistech1978

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Originally posted by: TravisT
That's pretty bad. I wonder if Nick Berg wishes he'd have had that happen rather than getting his head cut off. What do you think?

nice attempt at justification.
 

TravisT

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Who said i was justifying it? It's bad, just as I said. But lets move past this... those guys are already being released from prisons who will likely eventually end up killing americans, or atleast attempting to, again in the future.
 

GoPackGo

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I dont care anymore about these pictures....

All we need is Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and Don't Touch
 

gistech1978

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Originally posted by: TravisT
Who said i was justifying it? It's bad, just as I said. But lets move past this... those guys are already being released from prisons who will likely eventually end up killing americans, or atleast attempting to, again in the future.

you want to 'move past it'?
yet you still post in the threads...

actions speak louder than typed words.
 

chess9

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"who will likely eventually end up killing americans, or atleast attempting to, again in the future."

Haven't we all but guaranteed that will happen with our treatment of them?

-Robert
 

Jani

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Originally posted by: TravisT
That's pretty bad. I wonder if Nick Berg wishes he'd have had that happen rather than getting his head cut off. What do you think?

That's pretty bad. I wonder if Manadel al-Jamadi wishes he'd have had that happen rather than getting his life beaten off. What do you think.
 
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Originally posted by: TravisT
Who said i was justifying it? It's bad, just as I said. But lets move past this... those guys are already being released from prisons who will likely eventually end up killing americans, or atleast attempting to, again in the future.

First of all, unless you are posting from Iraq (which seems unlikely), you know nothing whatsoever about who is being released from Abu Ghraib, and who is being retained. As suspect as the management of that facility is nowadays, it seems safe to presume they are not releasing the most dangerous inmates. Given that a high percentage of the detainees (70-90%, according to ICRC) are innocent, I doubt they are putting murderers at the front of the line to be released.

Secondly, DoD's apparently deliberate dumbing-down of the Geneva Convention will foreseeably have painful, even deadly consequences for American GIs in the future. If you don't think that matters, I respectfully disagree.

Lastly, given that more than 25 detainees have died in US custody since 9/11, I think the jury's still out on whether Nick Berg's case is necessarily clearly worse than anything the US has done to detainees.

As a GI, I am absolutely horrified by how far we have sunk in our (likely misguided) efforts to get intelligence. All the applicable reasearch says that information gained through torture is of questionable reliability anyway, so it's hard to know whether any of this did any good in the first place. Meanwhile, by abandoning our conscience when it comes to the treatment of our enemies, we have effectively lost all credibility with the rest of the world. What a friggin' disgrace.
 

AEB

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people meed to get over this the abuse has gotten 4 times as much media exposure as the american having his head sawed off, its enough we get it and its being delt with.
 

sMiLeYz

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No we dont need to 'move on' until you people who supported this war realize how badly we fvcked up in this war. Theres going to be assload more future hate fueled terrorism because of what Abu Ghraib brought on. Lemme tell you the world won't forgive us or "move on", whether you like it or not.

So suck it up because we will reap what we sow.
 

leeboy

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I dont care anymore about these pictures....

All we need is Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and Don't Touch

Hmm, like the 3rd part but you can stick your don't ask and don't tell's. Far too much of that going on the past 4 years.
 

CaptnKirk

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I'll let you in on a little secret here guys -
What's really changed between how we
conducted ourselves 35 years ago in 'Nam
and how we are doing things today in Iraq ?

Could it be CAMERAS and the INTERNET ?

If my facilities serve me right (and I'm sure that they do)
In and around the detention compounds in 'Nam
there were these big signs posted both outside the fence
and inside the facility that read - in part:

NO PHOTOGRAHPY ALLOWED !
USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED !


That's how I remember it.
 
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