New Quad @ 4.4Ghz....WoW

[Tweakin]

In the case of 45nm Quads, has the rule been established that we are worried about the TJMax as the upper limit for thermals?

I've seen many post that upper 60c and lower 70c thermals are normal while pushing these chips. Makes me nervous, not used to such high thermals...and if I follow the "rules", upper thermal is 71c.

EP45-UD3R 1.1
Q9650
Cool IT Domino
4GB GS Kill 1066 5-5-5 @ 1.9

Q9650 - currently running 3.8 @ 1.2325 and LinPak stable for 20 runs, Prime Stable for 14 Hours. Have taken her up to 4.4 with no problems, but I know she is not going to be stable at those speeds without some more go-go juice.

My loaded thermals @ 3.8 are 57-60 using Real Temp 3.0, with TJMax set to 100.

Just not sure what a Quads thermals should be around. These beasts are not like my old C2D...Inputs please.

 

[JonW]

Stay below 20c-25c your tjmax (100c). That's 70c-75 max. BTW, nice oc :thumbs up: . What is the power consumption that everest tells you when you run your Q9@3.8ghz+. I would like to see if these yorkies at such frequency are able to push 150W or so underload. It's under sensor in everest.

 

[Tweakin]

Originally posted by: JonW
Stay below 20c-25c your tjmax (100c). That's 70c-75 max. BTW, nice oc :thumbs up: . What is the power consumption that everest tells you when you run your Q9@3.8ghz+. I would like to see if these yorkies at such frequency are able to push 150W or so underload. It's under sensor in everest.

Idle:
15.53 Watts
Loaded with Intel LinPak:
Peak - 102 Watts
Norm - 92 Watts

Amps peaked out at 80+...whew!

 

[JonW]

Originally posted by: Tweakin

Originally posted by: JonW
Stay below 20c-25c your tjmax (100c). That's 70c-75 max. BTW, nice oc :thumbs up: . What is the power consumption that everest tells you when you run your Q9@3.8ghz+. I would like to see if these yorkies at such frequency are able to push 150W or so underload. It's under sensor in everest.

Peak - 102 Watts
Norm - 92 Watts

Amps peaked out at 80+...whew!

Thanks for testing m8, really appreciate the effort (The Q66's trully drains some power at 3.6Ghz as it load 170w+ 115amp-120amp). Looks like you have more room to grow. Improve cooling perhaps and push some more......

Goodluck,

 

[Tweakin]

Tested 4.2Ghz...thermals were maxed with Intel...Prime didn't push as much and I had to jump my timings up to 5-5-4-15 to be stable.

I'm running 3.9 at stock volts and the thermals are below 60c with timings back down to 4-4-4-12.

Funny thing, Everest seems to think the chip is a Xeon...hmmm

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

What is the packaging date and Lot/Batch #'s???

I think I finally got my bios tweaked to keep my old Q9650 stable at 4.050Ghz - had to change Channel A clock skew to 100ps delay with PL10

EDITI: running it with 8g on a Maximus II Formula 1901 bios

 

[Tweakin]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
What is the packaging date and Lot/Batch #'s???

I think I finally got my bios tweaked to keep my old Q9650 stable at 4.050Ghz - had to change Channel A clock skew to 100ps delay with PL10

EDITI: running it with 8g on a Maximus II Formula 1901 bios

Packing Date was 02/05/09, Batch L844B781

 

[JonW]

Tweakin, How far can you push your gskill on Cas4 and Cas5. I see that your ram is rated at 1066/533Mhz. Have you tried using 333/5:6 strap 450fsb.

8.5x450=3.82Ghz 333/5:6 strap 540Mhz Cas5-5-5-15 PL8 (Maybe PL7 if you bump the NB volt)
or
9x450=4.05Ghz 333/5:6 strap 540Mhz Cas5-5-5-15 PL8 (same as above)

If you can push your ram at Cas4 to 475fsb/480fsb 1:1 333/1:1 that should give you a nice boost in ram bandwidth as well.

 

[n7]

Your Q9650 will shut off due for thermal protection around 95C.

How close you want to get to that is up to you.

I've gotten 4.2 GHz completely stresstesting stable (P95, LinPack).
http://ense7en.com/pics/q9650/...5%20Blend%20STABLE.JPG

But it's not gaming stable
System occasionally locks up in UT3 & L4D, & i cannot figure out how to fix it...it's a board thing, likely NB/FSB related.
So far it seems okay at 445, but i wish i could figure out what i need to adjust to get 4.2 GHz to stop locking up in games.

 

[JonW]

Originally posted by: n7
Your Q9650 will shut off due for thermal protection around 95C.

How close you want to get to that is up to you.

I've gotten 4.2 GHz completely stresstesting stable (P95, LinPack).
http://ense7en.com/pics/q9650/...5%20Blend%20STABLE.JPG

But it's not gaming stable
System occasionally locks up in UT3 & L4D, & i cannot figure out how to fix it...it's a board thing, likely NB/FSB related.
So far it seems okay at 445, but i wish i could figure out what i need to adjust to get 4.2 GHz to stop locking up in games.

When you run prime95 blend, where exactly does it lock up? If you're running 450fsb and below with 8gb of ram. Try to not use cpu/mch skew and just test/oc normally.

Edit:

Looking at your SS N7, you just probably need a bump on PLL voltage. UT3/L4D cpu intensive games not as intense as running stability test but still. I notice that with more cpu mhz oc, pll sort of aid the vcore to stabilze it. Just as it was Vnb stabilizing vddr/vdimm when oc'ing the ram.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

IDC gives a pretty good explanation to Prime95 here

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: JonW
When you run prime95 blend, where exactly does it lock up? If you're running 450fsb and below with 8gb of ram. Try to not use cpu/mch skew and just test/oc normally.

Edit:

Looking at your SS N7, you just probably need a bump on PLL voltage. UT3/L4D cpu intensive games not as intense as running stability test but still. I notice that with more cpu mhz oc, pll sort of aid the vcore to stabilze it. Just as it was Vnb stabilizing vddr/vdimm when oc'ing the ram.

It doesn't lock up in stability testing, that's just it.

It's rock solid in P95 Large, Blend, or small FFTs, Intel Burn Test, LinX, HCI Memtest, & Memtest86+.

But during UT3 or L4D, it'll be fine for a while, & then the whole system just locks. Freezes up completely, & then i have to hit the reset button...

It's kinda frustrating, because i test every single stresstest just fine, but it seems just playing games is better test of stability for me than they are...

I'll try more PLL voltage to see what happens.

 

[JonW]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: JonW
When you run prime95 blend, where exactly does it lock up? If you're running 450fsb and below with 8gb of ram. Try to not use cpu/mch skew and just test/oc normally.

Edit:

Looking at your SS N7, you just probably need a bump on PLL voltage. UT3/L4D cpu intensive games not as intense as running stability test but still. I notice that with more cpu mhz oc, pll sort of aid the vcore to stabilze it. Just as it was Vnb stabilizing vddr/vdimm when oc'ing the ram.

It doesn't lock up in stability testing, that's just it.

It's rock solid in P95 Large, Blend, or small FFTs, Intel Burn Test, LinX, HCI Memtest, & Memtest86+.

But during UT3 or L4D, it'll be fine for a while, & then the whole system just locks. Freezes up completely, & then i have to hit the reset button...

It's kinda frustrating, because i test every single stresstest just fine, but it seems just playing games is better test of stability for me than they are...

I'll try more PLL voltage to see what happens.

Also try bumping southbridge voltage and sata voltage. In gigabyte these are ICH core voltage and ICH I/O voltage. Just bump them up from default so to speak and see if improves stability while gaming. I'm leaning towards heat from your GTX 280. If you have some spare fans, try placing one on the NB and another around the ram vreg. I have the TRUE too, and these things don't quite get the cooling they need. See if you'd still lockup.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: JonW
When you run prime95 blend, where exactly does it lock up? If you're running 450fsb and below with 8gb of ram. Try to not use cpu/mch skew and just test/oc normally.

Edit:

Looking at your SS N7, you just probably need a bump on PLL voltage. UT3/L4D cpu intensive games not as intense as running stability test but still. I notice that with more cpu mhz oc, pll sort of aid the vcore to stabilze it. Just as it was Vnb stabilizing vddr/vdimm when oc'ing the ram.

It doesn't lock up in stability testing, that's just it.

It's rock solid in P95 Large, Blend, or small FFTs, Intel Burn Test, LinX, HCI Memtest, & Memtest86+.

But during UT3 or L4D, it'll be fine for a while, & then the whole system just locks. Freezes up completely, & then i have to hit the reset button...

It's kinda frustrating, because i test every single stresstest just fine, but it seems just playing games is better test of stability for me than they are...

I'll try more PLL voltage to see what happens.

That sure smells of power supply to me....

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: JonW

Also try bumping southbridge voltage and sata voltage. In gigabyte these are ICH core voltage and ICH I/O voltage. Just bump them up from default so to speak and see if improves stability while gaming. I'm leaning towards heat from your GTX 280. If you have some spare fans, try placing one on the NB and another around the ram vreg. I have the TRUE too, and these things don't quite get the cooling they need. See if you'd still lockup.

Already tried both those, from the defaults (1.5 & 1.1) to 1.6/1.2 & 1.7/1.3; does not help.

PLL did not help when i was trying to get over 465 stable, so i really doubt it'll do anything TBH, but who knows.

Originally posted by: Markfw900
That sure smells of power supply to me....

I thought of that, but there's no way.
HX1000 is way more than overkill for this system.

 

[Tempered81]

Nice oc on the Q9650, N7!

What happened to the Q6700 & QX6850?

 

[n7]

OC could be better if i was willing to run only 4 GB with the UD3P i didn't keep.
But i want my 8 GB, & it runs best on my P5Q-D, which has trouble with quads + 8 GB over 465 FSB.

Q6700 went here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...251747&highlight_key=y
I use it for my projector/movie use here, & i take it with me to friends when i'm doing LANs

QX6850 i sold to TC91 from these forums

Tweakin, sorry about jacking your thread...wasn't the intent.

Please carry on with your results here; i'll post about my "fun" elsewhere

 

[Duvie]

Tweakin....

What is a cool it domino?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Tweakin....

What is a cool it domino?

One in the line of CoolIt water-cooling solutions, but it isn't one of their TEC hybrids. It's a self-contained quick-installation water-cooling device with a square-shaped radiator that would seem to fit a 120mm fan.

The TechGage review for the device has a test-bench using a QX9650 CPU, and the results with the Domino and the CPU OC'd to ~3.7 Ghz at VCORE 1.30V, with fan on "high" -- showed a load temperature of 54C at the room-ambient for the benchtest. I think they even benchtested with LinPack, among other stress-testing software.

 

[Tweakin]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

Originally posted by: Duvie
Tweakin....

What is a cool it domino?

One in the line of CoolIt water-cooling solutions, but it isn't one of their TEC hybrids. It's a self-contained quick-installation water-cooling device with a square-shaped radiator that would seem to fit a 120mm fan.

The TechGage review for the device has a test-bench using a QX9650 CPU, and the results with the Domino and the CPU OC'd to ~3.7 Ghz at VCORE 1.30V, with fan on "high" -- showed a load temperature of 54C at the room-ambient for the benchtest. I think they even benchtested with LinPack, among other stress-testing software.

Yup...that's it in a nutshell. It's $79 which is the price of a nice air cooler and aftermarket fan...yet it's much cleaner and quieter. I have been running mine on low for all my tests. Right now I just finished another set of tweaks, and with 20 runs of Linpak it never broke 72. Now it's time to run small FFT's overnight and see how she does @ 4Ghz with 1.28vcore.

Everest shows a steady pull of 80A...although that's nothing compared to a Q6600. Now I just need to lap the cpu and waterblock...