New York Times Embarrasses Itself

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yup, the NYT did embarrass themselves with this silly story.

 

[Moonbeam]

False equivalency.

Please show me something even remotely equivalent to the loaded wording in the NYT hit piece on Rubio.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/u...ton-traces-friendly-path-troubling-party.html

In order to be able to detect false equivalencies you have to be in complete balance yourself. And if you have an unconscious bias that says that what you believe is balanced then you will believe yourself to be thus capable. That would introduce bias and self deception into the equation.

What evidence can you provide to assure me that you are deeply aware of everything that you feel. Do you know, for example, how much pain would be involved knowing that you hate yourself, and how powerfully denied and deeply buried those feelings might be.

It might be, for example, possible that my opinion that we hate ourselves is incorrect, a projection, say, of my own personal feelings, something I think you have even suggested, but even if true, and I don't think it is for reasons I will explain in a moment, what it would do for me, knowing that, is not to trust my opinions, to suspect that everything I believe is a product of that unconscious opinion. So even if I am wrong, what I am forced to do is to doubt my ability to evaluate what is balance and what is not. The result, of course, is what I would call humility.

As to why I doubt that my opinion of self hate only applies to me is that I was told by somebody else that was my condition and I didn't believe it, but the person who told me said he was sure 99.999% that he had discovered that very fact about himself and gotten free and was additionally so different than anybody else I had ever met that I took the chance to see. Well all I can say to keep this short is that I couldn't believe it when I managed to dredge up those feelings. I had no idea, I said over and over a thousand times. All my remembered life I had been full of shit and had no idea. I had a brain defect that denied my true reality. The great sin people commit, in my opinion, is to be sure of themselves and I'll be damned but I'm convinced of it. What a pickle.

So what happens to me when I face the fact that I know that I don't know and wonder how that can be is to come to the end of thinking. I turn to the right and look out my kitchen window. It's a beautiful bright warm day and the plants in the garden sway in the breeze. Everything is perfect when my ego is defeated, when paradox resolves at a higher level of understanding.

There is a Buddhist prayer that goes I vow to save all sentient beings, and a saying that says a person can be known by their aim.

 

[Moonbeam]

These same moves (low saving rate, taking on too much debt, spending on unnecessary luxury items, not saving enough for retirement) seem to be very typical for most Americans, sadly. Rubio's certainly one of us!

If human society was set up to educate people about the ways the human mind can be manipulated with the result that all propaganda were doomed to fail, what do you suppose the effect on capitalism would be, Does it distinguish between healthy, and positive needs, and lusts and greed? Where would the will to fix such a society come from? Capitalism as we have it has built in self extinction, a beautiful capacity to walk backward off a cliff.

 

[Blackjack200]

it's that season again.

reminds me of 2008, when they insinuated that John McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/30/AR2008123002872.html

Except that we're still almost a year and a half away. :\

 

[Newell Steamer]

Since the liberals of these forums didn't give two shits to bring this crap up, OP took it upon himself to cause a ruckus,.. to let us know there is no need to ruckus over this. Thanks?

Also, if a liberal brought this up, you would be rolling on the floor LOLing on how silly and petty something like this is. So,.. you decide to prove to us how silly and petty this is (even though, again, we felt the same way since we didn't bring it) by creating a thread over it.

Raging moron found.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

These same moves (low saving rate, taking on too much debt, spending on unnecessary luxury items, not saving enough for retirement) seem to be very typical for most Americans, sadly. Rubio's certainly one of us!

I believe a lot of people can relate to Rubio. I imagine that his definition of "dead broke" is much different than Hillary's.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

In order to be able to detect false equivalencies you have to be in complete balance yourself. And if you have an unconscious bias that says that what you believe is balanced then you will believe yourself to be thus capable. That would introduce bias and self deception into the equation.

What evidence can you provide to assure me that you are deeply aware of everything that you feel. Do you know, for example, how much pain would be involved knowing that you hate yourself, and how powerfully denied and deeply buried those feelings might be.

It might be, for example, possible that my opinion that we hate ourselves is incorrect, a projection, say, of my own personal feelings, something I think you have even suggested, but even if true, and I don't think it is for reasons I will explain in a moment, what it would do for me, knowing that, is not to trust my opinions, to suspect that everything I believe is a product of that unconscious opinion. So even if I am wrong, what I am forced to do is to doubt my ability to evaluate what is balance and what is not. The result, of course, is what I would call humility.

As to why I doubt that my opinion of self hate only applies to me is that I was told by somebody else that was my condition and I didn't believe it, but the person who told me said he was sure 99.999% that he had discovered that very fact about himself and gotten free and was additionally so different than anybody else I had ever met that I took the chance to see. Well all I can say to keep this short is that I couldn't believe it when I managed to dredge up those feelings. I had no idea, I said over and over a thousand times. All my remembered life I had been full of shit and had no idea. I had a brain defect that denied my true reality. The great sin people commit, in my opinion, is to be sure of themselves and I'll be damned but I'm convinced of it. What a pickle.

So what happens to me when I face the fact that I know that I don't know and wonder how that can be is to come to the end of thinking. I turn to the right and look out my kitchen window. It's a beautiful bright warm day and the plants in the garden sway in the breeze. Everything is perfect when my ego is defeated, when paradox resolves at a higher level of understanding.

There is a Buddhist prayer that goes I vow to save all sentient beings, and a saying that says a person can be known by their aim.

You live in a world so different than mine and I'm happy for you.

 

[Blackjack200]

I believe a lot of people can relate to Rubio.

Yeah, I can definitely relate. I also used an $800k book advance to pay off my student loans and accidently gave my GOP credit card to the stone pavers. Hang on, I have to go drive my Audi Q7 to my $80k fishing boat for the weekend.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yeah, I can definitely relate. I also used an $800k book advance to pay off my student loans and accidently gave my GOP credit card to the stone pavers. Hang on, I have to go drive my Audi Q7 to my $80k fishing boat for the weekend.

And contrast that with Hillary if you don't mind. Who do you think people will relate to more?

 

[Blackjack200]

Bernie Sanders.

 

[Fern]

New York Times Embarrasses Itself

Yep.

Describing his boat as a "luxury speedboat" is particularly laughable.

And I see no "highly questionable financial decisions". I do think he deserves some criticism for mixing personal and campaign spending.

His finances seem pretty normal for a young professional (lawyer in his case). They tend to expect rising compensation and spend accordingly. Heck, people in this country who have no legitimate expectations of rising compensation spend the same way.

Comparisons to articles discussing HRC campaign strategy are way off.

Nor do I see how the second article qualifies as a "blog". The authors are journalists employed by the NYT. One appears to be dedicated to the 2016 election. And somebody had to go dig through FL records to find the ticket info.

Fern

 

[ElFenix]

this is a genius move by the rubio camp to place a story in the NYT so the story would become the NYT's dumb moves (calling a pos fishing boat 'luxury' [seriously, that thing was $80,000?] and reporting on his speeding tickets) rather than the company card he's been charging personal expenses to and the billionaire used car salesman who is bankrolling him.

 

[Moonbeam]

You live in a world so different than mine and I'm happy for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-OpTHixpU

 

[First]

Traffic article was totally silly, and it was put on the front page so it being a blog isn't terribly relevant.

But still, the look into his finances is totally legitimate, so OP is faux outrage at best.

 

[First]

I believe a lot of people can relate to Rubio.

Indeed, a law school graduate with multiple homes and an $800K book deal. A true man of the people.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Traffic article was totally silly, and it was put on the front page so it being a blog isn't terribly relevant.

But still, the look into his finances is totally legitimate, so OP is faux outrage at best.

I don't believe that anyone has a problem with NYT looking into the management of his finances....it's the rhetoric used, the trivialities "reported", and the way it was framed. Hit piece is hit piece...highly partisan yellow journalism. The NYT has lost a good chunk of its integrity imo.

 

[MongGrel]

Where did Rubio dock his boat to dodge taxes? Anyone?

http://iotwreport.com/?p=289117

Here's Rubio's:

Here's Kerry's:

Somehow, the one he served on actually on got sunk by a draft dodger.

I'll never have anything to do with Rubio, he's like a Cuban Rick Scott almost.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

One appears to be dedicated to the 2016 election. And somebody had to go dig through FL records to find the ticket info.

And just who was that somebody? Interesting question. NYT denies American Bridge had anything to do with the story...that's their story and they're sticking to it! Yet records show that each of the citations mentioned by the New York Times were pulled in person by American Bridge operatives on May 26, 2015. How curious is that?

 

[First]

I don't believe that anyone has a problem with NYT looking into the management of his finances....it's the rhetoric used, the trivialities "reported", and the way it was framed. Hit piece is hit piece...highly partisan yellow journalism. The NYT has lost a good chunk of its integrity imo.

No, they haven't. Like has been said, the financial story was perfectly legit; owning multiple homes with no money down when you have no money, or leasing an ultra-expensive luxury SUV, or being bankrolled by a billionaire to the point that he's keeping you and your wife afloat on his payroll, among other questionable spending, is 100% legit. If it's legit for Hillary it's certainly legit for Rubio.

So like I said, your rage against NYT is faux rage. A good chunk of conservatives, like yourself, won't bother with the NYT. Of course, for the rest of America (i.e. the vast majority) it's reporting and its breaking news stories are 2nd to none. Frankly, it would be odd if they never released a bad story. And so a minor, isolated story about traffic tickets that ended up being a poor editorial decision, really isn't going to matter a lick in the long-run (hell, the short-run).

 

[First]

And just who was that somebody? Interesting question. NYT denies American Bridge had anything to do with the story...that's their story and they're sticking to it! Yet records show that each of the citations mentioned by the New York Times were pulled in person by American Bridge operatives on May 26, 2015. How curious is that?

Uh, that's not curious at all (or accurate).

 

[boomerang]

Indeed, a law school graduate with multiple homes and an $800K book deal. A true man of the people.

You'll feel different when all the good work that the Marco and Jeanette Rubio Foundation has done comes out.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
or leasing an ultra-expensive luxury SUV, ....

So now a $50k car is "ultra-expensive"?

Fern

 

[First]

So now a $50k car is "ultra-expensive"?

Fern

A Q7 after taxes and destination/etc. fees will be near $60k. Average car price is nearly half that. So yes, that is ultra-expensive. I'm not sure what you're confused about. And leasing is the least financially sensible way of owning a car, to boot.

 

[Fern]

A Q7 after taxes and destination/etc. fees will be near $60k. Average car price is nearly half that. So yes, that is ultra-expensive. I'm not sure what you're confused about. And leasing is the least financially sensible way of owning a car, to boot.

The news article said $50K.

Comparable SUVs cost the same.

And I disagree with your last statement. My last auto 'purchase' was originally arranged as a lease because the difference between a lease and outright purchase was about $150. (Debt on purchase was about $150 lower than price to purchase at expiration of lease). I paid the extra $150. I considered it a cheap 'put option' in case I decided to unload the vehicle.

Fern

 

[First]

The news article said $50K.

I'm glad you take the NYT at face value.

No Q7 will cost you $50k after taxes and the numerous fees.

Comparable SUVs cost the same.

Luxury ones do, and Audi is undeniably a luxury European brand.

And I disagree with your last statement. My last auto 'purchase' was originally arranged as a lease because the difference between a lease and outright purchase was about $150. (Debt on purchase was about $150 lower than price to purchase at expiration of lease). I paid the extra $150. I considered it a cheap 'put option' in case I decided to unload the vehicle.

Fern

Do you plan on driving for many years, like most Americans? Yes? Well, money has time value, so simple arithmetic says it's financially advantageous to sign a 5-year note to own a car, versus the far less financially responsible action of paying perpetual monthly lease payments for cars the rest of your life, in the name of, erm, 'put option' flexibility. But if you want to stay poor, leasing is a good deal.