**Next Gen Rumors Thread**

[UzairH]

ETA Damnit!

I am seriously in need of a new comp and am, or was, buying one soon. I was thinking of 6800 GT with the usual A64 3000+, etc. Problem is of course the rumors of G70/R520's impending release in June. I live in Pakistan and cause 6800GT still costs $510 here, I can have one brought from USA for $400 or something by May. SO should I wait 2 more months for G70 or get a 6800 GT now?

The way I see it, there are two major uncertainties:
1. Exact ETA of the new cards: which month?
2. Availabilty: how soon will they really become available in retail and e-tail?

What do you guys think about the ETA and general availability?

 

[Creig]

The last round of next gen parts (Nvidia 6800U & ATI X800XT PE) were both paper launched WELL in advance of when the cards were available, much less available in significant numbers.

Whether that means history will repeat itself this time around is unknown. But I would imagine that both companies will be desperate to get their latest and greatest out ahead of their competitor again this time as well, even if only on paper.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: Creig
The last round of next gen parts (Nvidia 6800U & ATI X800XT PE) were both paper launched WELL in advance of when the cards were available, much less available in significant numbers.

Whether that means history will repeat itself this time around is unknown. But I would imagine that both companies will be desperate to get their latest and greatest out ahead of their competitor again this time as well, even if only on paper.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Nobody benefits from "Paper Launches", and they only cause confusion, and upset people. IMO, this is dumb, and it really is annoying. Some reviewers have even taken the stand that they won't "review" a card until the cards are available in full force. This, IMHO, is what all reviewers should do, as it may wake up NVIDIA and ATI as far as their craptastic "Paper Launches" go.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: Creig
The last round of next gen parts (Nvidia 6800U & ATI X800XT PE) were both paper launched WELL in advance of when the cards were available, much less available in significant numbers.

Whether that means history will repeat itself this time around is unknown. But I would imagine that both companies will be desperate to get their latest and greatest out ahead of their competitor again this time as well, even if only on paper.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Nobody benefits from "Paper Launches", and they only cause confusion, and upset people. IMO, this is dumb, and it really is annoying. Some reviewers have even taken the stand that they won't "review" a card until the cards are available in full force. This, IMHO, is what all reviewers should do, as it may wake up NVIDIA and ATI as far as their craptastic "Paper Launches" go.

i would be willing to bet money that it won't happen this time.


BOTH ati and nVidia have learned from this last MISlaunch . . . they know about alienating their customers
:shocked:

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i would be willing to bet money that it won't happen this time.


BOTH ati and nVidia have learned from this last MISlaunch . . . they know about alienating their customers
:shocked:

Lets hope so, as that strategy is a bunch of cr@p. Everybody knows it, and all it does is piss people off. That's not good for them, and not good for us.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: apoppin
i would be willing to bet money that it won't happen this time.


BOTH ati and nVidia have learned from this last MISlaunch . . . they know about alienating their customers
:shocked:

Lets hope so, as that strategy is a bunch of cr@p. Everybody knows it, and all it does is piss people off. That's not good for them, and not good for us.

You said it (again) EVERYBODY knows this - even the morons in charge of ati/nvidia marketing.
:roll:


Ati was "in trouble" with their flagship GPU when the 6800i edged it out so they ramped clockspeed beyond what their fabs could produce . . . when SLI came out, it made it worse.

Now that ATI has a new core, they won't be able to overextend themselves - and if they did their work right, they won't "have to".

No - THIS TIME - the launch will be followed [soon] by mass availibility - if my crystal ball isn't cracked.
:shocked:

 

[Regs]

Rather high price ? the first 512 MB video cards may cost over $600

I could believe it considering a 6800GT x2 in SLI is 900+ dollars.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: UzairH
ETA Damnit!

I am seriously in need of a new comp and am, or was, buying one soon. I was thinking of 6800 GT with the usual A64 3000+, etc. Problem is of course the rumors of G70/R520's impending release in June. I live in Pakistan and cause 6800GT still costs $510 here, I can have one brought from USA for $400 or something by May. SO should I wait 2 more months for G70 or get a 6800 GT now?

The way I see it, there are two major uncertainties:
1. Exact ETA of the new cards: which month?
2. Availabilty: how soon will they really become available in retail and e-tail?

What do you guys think about the ETA and general availability?

My best guess would be that if you want one this summer you'll be able to buy one, but be prepared to shell out $1000+ for something off ebay.

Cards of this calibre are rarely widely available. Not many people have $600 for a graphics card; an entire rig including a monitor can be bought for that!

If you need a computer now, just get one and stick a 6600GT or an X800XL in there. PCI-E isn't going anywhere and you'll be able to easily upgrade to something monolithic down the line.

They're saying that within a month or two the cards will be reviewed. Based on historical and imperial evidence, it will take one year before the cards show up in any kind of widespread availability in retail. There is also a distinct chance that one or both of these cards will turn out to be vapourware.

The bottome line: Don't hold your breath and use your computer to do something productive until Best Buy and the like have the new cards in stock.

 

[Munky]

According to an article on megagames.com, the r520 will have 32 pipes, although it mentioned that initially only 24 might be enabled, and all 32 enabled later when the competition is good enough. I wouldn't put a lot of confidence in that information, but IMO they SHOULD have 32 pipes, because 24 doesnt sound like much of a leap beyond 16. If they want a repeat of something like the release of the 9700, then 32 pipes seems like the way to go, having 2x the pipes of previous gen cards.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: munky
According to an article on megagames.com, the r520 will have 32 pipes, although it mentioned that initially only 24 might be enabled, and all 32 enabled later when the competition is good enough. I wouldn't put a lot of confidence in that information, but IMO they SHOULD have 32 pipes, because 24 doesnt sound like much of a leap beyond 16. If they want a repeat of something like the release of the 9700, then 32 pipes seems like the way to go, having 2x the pipes of previous gen cards.

thats sure to be huge...are these cards gonna be shipping with their own water cooling kits? or something similar to vapo chills small water cooling unit they showed at a show a while back?

the HSF of the current 6800U's and the X850XT's already take up 2-3 slots....and they still run hot, i think theyre gonna have approach cooling in another way, heatpipes are gonna be put into commision i think

 

[4444]

Would anyone care to guesstemate if these nextgen cards will come come in a cutdown se le version and hoe pricey they could be?

 

[Amplifier]

I've been bored out of my mind waiting for the next gen-anything.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: munky
According to an article on megagames.com, the r520 will have 32 pipes, although it mentioned that initially only 24 might be enabled, and all 32 enabled later when the competition is good enough.

Actually, it's been said that the card will only have 24 pipelines, but they are "improved" pipelines somehow and perform 1.3x better than current pipelines. This would give it an overall performance that a 32 pipe card would today.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Cebit2005/Day4/5

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well what is the most likely rumor is virtual pipelines, which is what they are referring to. Ill use the analogy that was used to explain this theory to me. You have a grocery store with 16 lanes for checking out with 1 person at each. Increasing the number of lanes will not get these people out any faster. You are still putting the same amount of data throught the pixel pipelines. So IIRC the virtual pipelines can be enabled or disabled and used as something else (Vertex Shaders perhaps).

If someone could come along and clean my post up a bit that would be great.

-Kevin

 

[r00tcause]

Originally posted by: Regs

Rather high price ? the first 512 MB video cards may cost over $600

I could believe it considering a 6800GT x2 in SLI is 900+ dollars.

400 x 2 = 800

bfg cards are 399, and they are widely available now.

 

[apoppin]

THE LATEST!!!

(i think)

ATI Multiple VPU works with two different cards

Radeon R520 and X800 paired

ONE OF THE HUGE advantages of ATI Multi VPU might be its ability to let you use two different ATI based cards. As we said before, ATI Multi VPU don't use any card interconnector although Nvidia does.

In Nvidia's case you cannot even use two 6600GT or 6800 GT cards from two companies since there may be incompatibilities. It is a problem even if you use different BIOSes on the cards. Two different cards simply won't work in this case.

ATI will let you use two different cards as its Multi VPU works in a different way. It tiles your screen like a chess board and each board can take care of different "chess fields". You will literally be able to take an R520 and plug it side by side with R423, X800 or R480, X850 board and make them render simultaneously. Faster boards could, for example, take on more tasks than slower board, rending more fields.

Sounds good to me, but let's just see the drivers and performance of that Multi VPU marchitecture first. We heard a while ago that ATI has this marchitecture ready but it wants to wait with it and than surprise everyone. It will possibly materialise this marchitecture after the R520 "Fudo" launch.

:Q

:shocked:

:thumbsup:

 

[Drayvn]

Isnt the Supertiling and the use of the Multi VPU already being used int he workstation market, like CAD and all that stuff?

 

[Gamingphreek]

If you dont mind i will put a link at the top of the page with that link appopin.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If you dont mind i will put a link at the top of the page with that link appopin.

-Kevin

certainly . . . .

if i find anything else, you have my PREpermission (also) to post my links

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: r00tcause

Originally posted by: Regs

Rather high price ? the first 512 MB video cards may cost over $600

I could believe it considering a 6800GT x2 in SLI is 900+ dollars.

400 x 2 = 800

bfg cards are 399, and they are widely available now.

I included an extra 100 dollars for the price of the SLI mobo and PSU .

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: apoppin
THE LATEST!!!

(i think)

ATI Multiple VPU works with two different cards

Radeon R520 and X800 paired

ONE OF THE HUGE advantages of ATI Multi VPU might be its ability to let you use two different ATI based cards. As we said before, ATI Multi VPU don't use any card interconnector although Nvidia does.

In Nvidia's case you cannot even use two 6600GT or 6800 GT cards from two companies since there may be incompatibilities. It is a problem even if you use different BIOSes on the cards. Two different cards simply won't work in this case.

ATI will let you use two different cards as its Multi VPU works in a different way. It tiles your screen like a chess board and each board can take care of different "chess fields". You will literally be able to take an R520 and plug it side by side with R423, X800 or R480, X850 board and make them render simultaneously. Faster boards could, for example, take on more tasks than slower board, rending more fields.

Sounds good to me, but let's just see the drivers and performance of that Multi VPU marchitecture first. We heard a while ago that ATI has this marchitecture ready but it wants to wait with it and than surprise everyone. It will possibly materialise this marchitecture after the R520 "Fudo" launch.

:Q

:shocked:

:thumbsup:

If this rumor is true, nVidia will certainly get pwned!

 

[imported_Ged]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: apoppin
THE LATEST!!!

(i think)

ATI Multiple VPU works with two different cards

Radeon R520 and X800 paired

ONE OF THE HUGE advantages of ATI Multi VPU might be its ability to let you use two different ATI based cards. As we said before, ATI Multi VPU don't use any card interconnector although Nvidia does.

In Nvidia's case you cannot even use two 6600GT or 6800 GT cards from two companies since there may be incompatibilities. It is a problem even if you use different BIOSes on the cards. Two different cards simply won't work in this case.

ATI will let you use two different cards as its Multi VPU works in a different way. It tiles your screen like a chess board and each board can take care of different "chess fields". You will literally be able to take an R520 and plug it side by side with R423, X800 or R480, X850 board and make them render simultaneously. Faster boards could, for example, take on more tasks than slower board, rending more fields.

Sounds good to me, but let's just see the drivers and performance of that Multi VPU marchitecture first. We heard a while ago that ATI has this marchitecture ready but it wants to wait with it and than surprise everyone. It will possibly materialise this marchitecture after the R520 "Fudo" launch.

:Q

:shocked:

:thumbsup:

If this rumor is true, nVidia will certainly get pwned!

'Cept that X800 + R520 you'll have to use settings that the X800 supports. So it would be like a regular X800 and a Faster X800. Else you will have tiles being rendered with different hardware support and you don't want that.

I thought that you could use two different Nvidia based cards in parallel but the drivers didn't support it yet? Wasn't there talk about this before?

 

[hans030390]

I really doubt that you would need an x800 with an R520...it would be nice for games that use SM2.0, but when games come out with Sm3.0, you wont want to play them in 2.0 with two cards going...

So this looks good, but then Nvidia will release something even bigger, then ATI will do more...etc...sigh...i'm kinda starting to understand why consoles can be better.

 

[OS]

memory to be used in next gen cards

 

[PrayForDeath]

Nvidia tapes out G70 silicon
Supposedly faster than R520