Next generation Radeon plans

[NFS4]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/#976916388

[*]RV100 (Radeon VE). This chip is already announced. It features 1 rendering pipeline, works at 183MHz and is manufactured with 0.18 micron technology. Unfortunately, it doesn?t have the T&L support. The cards on this chip will appear in retail in February 2001.
[*]R200. This 0.15 micron chip belongs to the next generation after Radeon. The chip will have 4 rendering pipelines and will work at 300MHz. It will support Dual Display and T&L. the first samples should be available in February 2001, while the mass production starts only in June 2001.
[*]RV200 (Value). This is a cheaper version of R200 with only 2 rendering pipelines and no T&L. It will be also manufactured with 0.15 micron. The first samples should come out in February 2001 and the mass manufacturing begins in July 2001.
[*]R300. This chip is expected to be three times as fast as R200. It will work at 350MHz and will support Dual Display and T&L. The manufacturing technology will be changed from 0.15 to 0.13 micron. The samples will turn up in July 2001 and the mass pieces ? in November 2001.

 

[SleepyTim]

Yeah the R200 (Radeon-2) and R300 (Radeon-3) are going to be awesome cards.

I have seen some even more detailed specs somewhere. I will try to go find them. The RV100 and RV200 are "Value" cards, and basically for OEM machines. The R200 (Radeon-2) and R300 (Radeon-3) are the full blown retail cards.

Man, I can't wait to see the Radeon-2 and Radeon-3 next year. I will probably skip the Radeon-2 and NV20 though. My 64MB Radeon and Ultra will hold me over untill Radeon-3 and NV25.

 

[Remedy]

Yeah awesome when the drivers are more than mature on release of the card. I sold my radeon so fast i don't even regret it.

 

[Taz4158]

Frankly we don't miss YOU either.

 

[UsandThem]

I won't upgrade to the new ATI card when it comes out (although I am sure it will be great) because I love the AIW Radeon I have too much (plus I am poor with all my video card upgrades).

ATI and it's consumers is going to have a happy 2001 for sure!


I run Win98SE and I have ZERO problems with DVD, video capture, gaming, and the TV tuner.

Maybe I am lucky but I think it is because I use the tried and true BX chipset motherboard.

 

[pidge]

So will NVIDIA consumers

I love my NVIDIA Geforce 2 Pro.

 

[Soccerman]

well, here's hoping ATi does alot better in their driver department, as well as in producing this product in a timely manner.

if they can, they'll become the next main competitor in the industry. after all, if the NV20 is as fast as it's been rumored, this R200 has promise...

the question is, can ATi scoop up as many 3dfx engineers as would be required to boost ATi's R&D so that they can get Deffered rendering up and running. if they can, maybe we'll see something good come out of Canada in the near future!

of course, I would suspect 3dfx would have delivered on this competitive platform in a more timely mannor (Rampage would have been very good competition against NV20 I bet, after learning some specs on it a few days ago from NFS4), and after that, would have released their Fear based chip too..

even though the competition has been somewhat delayed, at least it still exists!

 

[Soccerman]

hey I got an Idea to help ATi to get moving..

Petition! what do u say? maybe I should start some thing moving here...

 

[NFS4]

<< I run Win98SE and I have ZERO problems with DVD, video capture, gaming, and the TV tuner. >>


Try running in Win2k and you will be SOL as far as perfomance goes! ATi needs to get the drivers fixed before I EVER buy one of their products.

 

[Taz4158]

<< of course, I would suspect 3dfx would have delivered on this competitive platform in a more timely mannor (Rampage would have been very good competition against NV20 I bet, after learning some specs on it a few days ago from NFS4), and after that, would have released their Fear based chip too.. >>



Yeah the 6000 came out in a timely manner!

 

[Taz4158]

<< << I run Win98SE and I have ZERO problems with DVD, video capture, gaming, and the TV tuner. >> >>


Pretty sure they're not losing a whole lot of sleep over this.

 

[Soccerman]

Taz4158, I knew someone would try that. it just goes to show how emotionally charged this forum is.

of course you have to assume the worst.. it just happened.

how can you prove that Rampage was doing horrible?

don't point at track record, it doesn't matter that much. just because a guy in who has gone to jail twice before is accused of a 3rd crime does not mean he did it, does it?

 

[Taz4158]

of course you have to assume the worst.. it just happened.

how can you prove that Rampage was doing horrible?

don't point at track record, it doesn't matter that much. just because a guy in who has gone to jail twice before is accused of a 3rd crime does not mean he did it, does it?


If it had been doing well or close to market they may have survived. Unfortunately the only thing to go by IS the precedent set by the 6000. The writing was on the wall; as sad as it is. I certainly meant no offense to 3DFX purporters. The company will be missed.

 

[Soccerman]

&quot;Unfortunately the only thing to go by IS the precedent set by the 6000.&quot;

actually, the only thing to go buy would be the truth, which will eventually come out of someone's mouth because people won't care about NDA's.

simply going buy someone's (in this case, someTHING's) past, is NOT based on anything hard. in other words, in a court of law, it should not stand up, because you need evidence to prove something like this.

 

[Taz4158]

actually, the only thing to go buy would be the truth, which will eventually come out of someone's mouth because people won't care about NDA's.

simply going buy someone's (in this case, someTHING's) past, is NOT based on anything hard. in other words, in a court of law, it should not stand up, because you need evidence to prove something like this.


Well until this &quot;proof&quot; comes out you draw your own conclusions and I'll draw mine. Sound fair?

 

[Soccerman]

agreed

 

[SleepyTim]

Hello NFS4. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass but I just wanted to tell you that the Win2K drivers are actually very good now. In fact the latest revision has brought the performance within 10% of Win98. Myself and many others have commented on this recently, but some people who don't even have Radeons (no offense) keep saying the Win2K drivers are weak. It's simply not true. They were weak at the beginning but now they are extremely stable and perform very well. I am running a dual boot Win98/Win2K system and there is not much difference anymore. They have improved tremendously.

For any Radeon owner that is not aware yet, go HERE and get the latest v5.0.3073 Win2K drivers.
Also make sure you have SP1 (Service Pak 1) for Win2K.

 

[Bartman39]

Thanks SleepyTim... I was holding off putting W2K back on my other drive till the driver support came up to par... I`ll give it try later this week along with DX8 also...


Hey NFS4 thanks for the info also (kinda makes ya drool a little...)

 

[NFS4]

Not to be a smartass, but those ATi drivers are still in beta And unlike some other companies, we didn't have to wait a good 4 months to get drivers that still perform 10% less than Win9x counterparts.

We've had Win2k drivers (official reference) that are 100% or better performing in Win2k since as long as I can remember

 

[SleepyTim]

<< &quot;those ATi drivers are still in beta And unlike some other companies, we didn't have to wait a good 4 months to get drivers that still perform 10% less than Win9x counterparts.&quot; >>



NFS4, are you taking part in the same converstaion that I am? Who said anything about any other company? Why are you being defensive? Why is it that because I point out that the ATI Win2K drivers have improved, you feel that it somehow says something bad about some other company and you have to defend them?

So first you claimed they were bad, which is not true. Now that they have improved tremendously you are complaining because it took too long? I'm not sure why you feel the need to make a completely different comment about a completely different subject, just because I pointed out that you were wrong about the ATI Win2K drivers.

I really don't understand your attitude. I was not unfriendly at all, and I don't see why it matters how long it took. The fact is they are here now and they are very good. That's what counts.

I'm also not sure who you are referring to when you say &quot;We&quot;, but if it's Nvidia, may I remind you that I also have an Ultra in my other machine and the last 5 or 6 Nvidia drivers have also been Beta/Leaked/etc and there has not been official Nvidia drivers in 3 months. So?

Really man, I was only pointing out that the latest drivers are much improved. I don't see any argument here. I was not talking about any other cards or companies. I was only correcting the information about the ATI Win2K drivers, and pointing out that the latest ones are quite good.
Am I missing something?

C'mon dude, nobody is looking to argue here. Merry Christmas and Peace On Earth my brother.

 

[NFS4]

I was just taking your &quot;smartass&quot; comment to the extreme and having a little fun You must excuse me as I just finished studying like hell for my last final and I need some comic relief


<< I'm also not sure who you are referring to when you say &quot;We&quot;, but if it's Nvidia, may I remind you that I also have an Ultra in my other machine and the last 5 or 6 Nvidia drivers have also been Beta/Leaked/etc and there has not been official Nvidia drivers in 3 months. So? >>


Actually, I don't use the betas, I use the 6.31 drivers which work great.

 

[SleepyTim]

HeHe, no problem. Thanks for the post!

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