More like LOL Milbury. Worst. GM. Ever.
Actually I think calling the Sedins thelma and louise is a compliment.......... those chicks are tough
On a hockey related note......... who do you think wins the Conn Smythe? I think it's Tim Thomas win or lose the Cup. I'd like to see a Canuck get it but the best player out there right now is Thomas.
Cheers,
Aquaman
Actually I think calling the Sedins thelma and louise is a compliment.......... those chicks are tough
On a hockey related note......... who do you think wins the Conn Smythe? I think it's Tim Thomas win or lose the Cup. I'd like to see a Canuck get it but the best player out there right now is Thomas.
Cheers,
Aquaman
4 players since the Conn Smyth was introduced was given to a member of the loosing team. Could happen though. Thomas is ridiculous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conn_Smythe_Trophy
The last one was Giguere, who really did lead his team to the finals. They wouldn't have made it without his outstanding play. He was outplayed in the finals (go Devils), but he still earned the MVP from the prior rounds. That's really what an MVP trophy is supposed to be for, but it often goes to the most outstanding player rather than the most valuable player.
I don't know if Tim Thomas has been as valuable to the Bruins as Giguere was to the Ducks, but he certainly has been outstanding. Luongo... it's hard to say he's the most valuable player when he has been pulled multiple times, he missed a start because of poor play, and he nearly lost a series that his team led 3-0 (against the eight seed no less). Luongo has bailed his team out several times (which he had to do because of Thomas), but he's also had to be bailed out by his team. And he gave up 12 goals in two games in the Stanley Cup finals! If the Canucks win I'm not sure the Conn-Smythe should go to Thomas, but I don't think it should go to Luongo.
Think of it this way - if the Canucks lose the series, who is going to get a lot of the blame? Luongo and the Sedins. But if they win, Luongo would be the MVP? Sounds like his value is in not choking at the right time.
Thomas tailoring an historic postseason run
Sunday, 06.12.2011 / 4:31 PM / 2011 Stanley Cup Final - Canucks v Bruins
By Corey Masisak - NHL.com Staff Writer
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Thomas stopped 1,699 of 1,811 shots he faced during the regular season for a .9381 save percentage, which topped Hasek's mark of .9366 set in the 1998-99 season for the best since the League began keeping track of shot totals.
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Hasek's 1998-99 season may set the standard among modern goaltenders. Not only did he capture the Vezina that season, he helped the Buffalo Sabres to within two victories of the Cup. He had a .939 save percentage during the postseason and a 1.77 GAA.
Thomas' play in the Cup Final has been even better than his record-breaking performance during the regular season. His 1.21 GAA and .964 save percentage could end up among the best in a Cup Final.
According to Elias Sports Bureau, Thomas has the best GAA since Hasek posted a 1.18 for the Detroit Red Wings in a five-game victory against Carolina in 2002 and the best save percentage since Roy's .973 for Colorado in a four-game sweep of Florida in 1996.
The way Thomas has kept his team in contention for a championship, despite its woes on the power play (the Bruins became the first team to win a best-of-seven series without scoring a power-play goal) and despite missing key offensive players (Bergeron in the Eastern Conference Finals and Nathan Horton in the Cup Final) has made him the favorite to win the Conn Smythe Trophy should the Bruins win Games 6 and 7 -- and maybe even if they don't.
"It is spectacular. I was just talking to my colleagues from Sweden about what happens if Vancouver wins 1-0 tomorrow?" former NHL defenseman and current Swedish TV analyst Calle Johansson said Sunday. "Tim Thomas has to be the MVP of this tournament. There's nobody you can give it to (for) Vancouver, I don't think. Even if Luongo has another shutout, he gave up 12 goals in two games, so I don't think he's a contestant. I think Thomas has been by far the most valuable player of this playoffs."
Added McGuire: "[Jean-Sebastien] Giguere (won the Conn Smythe in a losing effort) in '03 and Timmy Thomas has been every bit as important to this team and influencing this series like Giguere was in '03. Very much so -- I'd say that is more than fair."
Tim Thomas has been great, but Lu has been a lil better overall. This has been a goalie battle and LU has been the better of the two 3-2. He has shut them out twice and given up only 2 goals in the 3 wins. If they win the cup, it will be because of Luongo by far. When the great game in net was needed he has gotten it done. No disrespect at all to Tim Thomas, but he flatout lost game 2 with that stroll in the park routine.
Tim Thomas has been great, but Lu has been a lil better overall. This has been a goalie battle and LU has been the better of the two 3-2. He has shut them out twice and given up only 2 goals in the 3 wins. If they win the cup, it will be because of Luongo by far. When the great game in net was needed he has gotten it done. No disrespect at all to Tim Thomas, but he flatout lost game 2 with that stroll in the park routine.
Nah, I wouldn't give it to Luongo. Like you said, how can you give it to a goalie who was pulled (and should have been pulled in the game before that). To me, that isn't the definition of MVP. They are consistently the best player and when they aren't playing spectacularly, they aren't hurting their team (like Lu did in their losses). Thomas has hands down been the more consistent goalie, come on, 6 goals in 5 games (vs Lu's 12 goals in 2 games)?? What other goalie has held Vancouver to such a low total? None. Also, Lu opening his mouth about Thomas's style wasn't all that smart, nothing good can come from it and now the media has blown it up. I understand that Lu has a chip on his shoulder because of his past but it's best to not even comment. A simple "No comment on that" and a smile says more than actually saying it.
I actually think the MVP is still yet to be decided for Vancouver if they win. If Lu shuts out Boston again, then he could get it. If Kessler or the Sedins score a hat trick, then they get it. In a perfect world, even if Vancouver wins it, Tim Thomas should still be the MVP because he's been better than everyone on both teams. Look at this sht:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=565602
Yeah I'm assuming that someone on Vancouver will win it just because statistically it's very rare for a losing player to win it. However, TT does have a chance to set the Cup Final save % record and if he does then he will definitely win it. Most already think he has the Vezina sown up due to already shattering the single season save % record, so it'd just follow that train of thought.The problem is you assume that anyone on Vancouver deserves it even if they win. Quite possible that it could go to the losing team. Unfortunately that generally isn't the case even when there is a player more deserving on the losing side.
Thomas has hands down been the more consistent goalie, come on, 6 goals in 5 games (vs Lu's 12 goals in 2 games)??
I can cherry pick stats too.
Look at games 1, 2, 4 and 6 of the TB series. TT let in 20 goals in 4 games, including blowing a 3-0 lead and getting bailed out by his team who scored 6 goals.
It doesn't matter if Luongo has let in more goals in the series. The only stat that matters at the end of the day is wins.
And you can cherry pick all you want, TT is better in playoffs:
Shots Against
1. Tim Thomas-BOS 774
2. Roberto Luongo-VAN 683
Save Percentage
1. Tim Thomas-BOS .937
2. Carey Price-MTL .934
3. Corey Crawford-CHI .927
4. Dwayne Roloson-TBL .924
5. Jimmy Howard-DET .923
6. Roberto Luongo-VAN .919
Goals Against Average
1. Tim Thomas-BOS 2.07
2. Carey Price-MTL 2.11
3. Corey Crawford-CHI 2.21
4. Henrik Lundqvist-NYR 2.25
5. Michal Neuvirth-WSH 2.34
6. Roberto Luongo-VAN 2.43
http://www.hockey-reference.com/playoffs/NHL_2011_leaders.html
It's not even close, and if Boston wins he could possibly set the save% regular season record and Finals record in.the.same.year.
But still, if Boston loses tonight, he'll have been out-goalied by Luongo, plain and simple. I just don't know how you can call a guy a better goalie when he is beat head-to-head like that.
No, he won't have. You are not accounting for the rest of the team.
THOSE are better stats to quote then.
But still, if Boston loses tonight, he'll have been out-goalied by Luongo, plain and simple. I just don't know how you can call a guy a better goalie when he is beat head-to-head like that.