NHL playoffs 2011 thread

[BeauJangles]

I agree that Luongo has looked like shit in Boston, but he has bested TT in all the Vancouver games.

He isn't the best goaltender in the series, even Vancouver fans recognize that.

Last night's game wasn't Boston skating circles around Vancouver at all.

What does that have to do with anything? Boston can't skate circles around Vancouver.

They got 4 quick goals (the 4th one was a fairly lucky tip that went past Schneider) due to Luongo being out to lunch. Besides that, shots were 40-38 Boston, hits were 43-38 Boston, and Vancouver hit the post 3 times.

First, the four goals weren't only because Luongo was out to lunch. Vancouver's defense was pitiful and they allowed repeated entries into the middle of the ice without challenge. They were weak on rebounds, weak on checking, and weak on communication. Yes, Luongo missed stops that other goalies might make, but the Canucks' defense was really, really bad.

Vancouver also had a breakaway and at least one 2 on 1. Vancouver played well enough to win last night, with the exception of Luongo. The other games in Boston, yeah... Vancouver didn't show up.

No, they didn't. They got absolutely owned like they have the other times they've played in Boston. The Bruins dominated them and forced them away from their finesse offense into the game Boston wanted. They were dominated.

For all but about seven minutes of the game (the first three of the first period and the first four of the third), Vancouver's offense was totally stifled by Boston's defense. The Bruins did an excellent job of defending the middle of the ice, of playing physically, and of having their defense men clear the trash away from in front of the net.

For all the offensive firepower the Canucks have, they couldn't figure out how to beat Boston down low and, when they did, they were absolutely owned by a goalie who is playing out of his mind. The spurts of offensive Vancouver DID have were at the beginning of the game, when everything was getting settled, and at the the start of the third, when Seidenberg and Chara were on the bench.

The idea that Vancouver "played well enough to win" because the Bruins didn't skate circles around them is foolhardy. Boston will never skate circles around Vancouver because that isn't their game. The Canucks lost because Boston forced them to play their game and because Boston's defense showed up.

 

[SP33Demon]

We some crazy ass mofos. :biggrin:

Good to see, hopefully we're beyond '94 though. That would be a mess.

That's a lot of people in the street. Do you guys play any other sports or is it just hockey? Kinda sucks, Canada should create their own baseball or basketball league already.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I watch it at home where:
1) I am not sitting indian style on pavement
2) have beverages and food 10 seconds and 40 feet away
3) I can stop watching after the 2nd period because I have not over-committed to a corporation (I don't have a Boston or Vancouuver jersey either).

 

[sandorski]

That's a lot of people in the street. Do you guys play any other sports or is it just hockey? Kinda sucks, Canada should create their own baseball or basketball league already.

Curling. We have our own Football(Handegg) league.

 

[silverpig]

He isn't the best goaltender in the series, even Vancouver fans recognize that.

What does that have to do with anything? Boston can't skate circles around Vancouver.

I snipped most of that, but will answer to most of it.

First read the post I was replying to and you'll see how it had to do with everything.

Second, you must have been watching a different game. After those first goals, Vancouver outscored Boston 2-1, hit the post 3 times, had a breakaway and a 2 on 1. What did Boston do after that? They scored once on a 5 on 3 and had a 2 on 1. I also believe the shots at one point in the first were something like 16-5 for Boston. Once Vancouver got it going, they outshot Boston 33-24.

Luongo has been shit in 3 games, but he still has as many wins as Thomas, and in the three games he won, they were tight goaltender battles.

 

[silverpig]

I watch it at home where:
1) I am not sitting indian style on pavement
2) have beverages and food 10 seconds and 40 feet away
3) I can stop watching after the 2nd period because I have not over-committed to a corporation (I don't have a Boston or Vancouuver jersey either).

Guess what? So can all of those people, but they also have the choice of watching it in the sun outside and opt to do so over sitting in their la-z-boy stuffing their gullet with the food and beverages that are a 10 second rascal ride away.

 

[silverpig]

That's a lot of people in the street. Do you guys play any other sports or is it just hockey? Kinda sucks, Canada should create their own baseball or basketball league already.

Well we HAD the NBA here, but the management were a bunch of douchenozzles and lost us the team. They haven't done much better in Memphis attendance-wise but the economics of the situation of Memphis then vs Vancouver then were what made the difference (exchange rate).

We have the CFL. It's fun. When Grey Cup is here there are street parties for an entire week.

We just got an MLS team. They kind of suck because it is an expansion team. Attendance, while starting out great, has dropped because of the long Canucks playoff run.

We have minor league baseball. They were AAA then went down to AA and I think they're AAA again this year.

 

[SP33Demon]

Well we HAD the NBA here, but the management were a bunch of douchenozzles and lost us the team. They haven't done much better in Memphis attendance-wise but the economics of the situation of Memphis then vs Vancouver then were what made the difference (exchange rate).

We have the CFL. It's fun. When Grey Cup is here there are street parties for an entire week.

We just got an MLS team. They kind of suck because it is an expansion team. Attendance, while starting out great, has dropped because of the long Canucks playoff run.

We have minor league baseball. They were AAA then went down to AA and I think they're AAA again this year.

Nice, didn't know about the MLS team. Baseball too, that is very cool. Is that team a feeder for Toronto or something?

 

[silverpig]

Nice, didn't know about the MLS team. Baseball too, that is very cool. Is that team a feeder for Toronto or something?

I believe this year it is yes. Before I don't recall who they fed into but it wasn't them. Baseball does pretty well here too with the nice summers. We've sent a few kids to the big leagues as well.

 

[BeauJangles]

I snipped most of that, but will answer to most of it.

First read the post I was replying to and you'll see how it had to do with everything.

Second, you must have been watching a different game. After those first goals, Vancouver outscored Boston 2-1, hit the post 3 times, had a breakaway and a 2 on 1. What did Boston do after that? They scored once on a 5 on 3 and had a 2 on 1. I also believe the shots at one point in the first were something like 16-5 for Boston. Once Vancouver got it going, they outshot Boston 33-24.

Your entire argument is based on the premise that we should discount the first period and look at the game from the second period on. Well, in that fantasy, Vancouver won the cup last night (or something)! In the real world, Vancouver got their socks rocked by a team that was hungrier than them. They got outplayed in the first and second periods and played to draw in the third period.

After Boston's decimation of your team in the first, the Bruins had ample scoring opportunities which you just conveniently have shoved out of your mind to preserve your argument. Remember what I was saying about how terrible Vancouver's defense was? Remember that nice 2 on 1 that was only not a goal because of a lucky bounce which put the puck under Schneider? That was caused by another epic Vancouver defensive fail, that time on a change.

Boston had three fewer shots in the third period, one fewer in the second.

You can twist the facts all you want, but the fact of the matter is that Vancouver has been blown away in Boston and was absolutely dominated last night. Maybe not dominated as hard as they were in Game 3 or Game 4, but there is pussy-footing around the fact that they were demolished.

Jazz it up all you want with a homer-bias, but everyone else watching (and most Vancouver fans) can see it for what it is -- an ass-whooping.

Luongo has been shit in 3 games, but he still has as many wins as Thomas, and in the three games he won, they were tight goaltender battles.

So because they've each won three games, Thomas isn't better? Get real. Everyone can see that Thomas has been the better goaltender. He's been the better goaltender all playoffs and all season. He's the only reason the Bruins are playing for the Stanley Cup.

 

[Blintok]

I snipped most of that, but will answer to most of it.

First read the post I was replying to and you'll see how it had to do with everything.

Second, you must have been watching a different game. After those first goals, Vancouver outscored Boston 2-1, hit the post 3 times, had a breakaway and a 2 on 1. What did Boston do after that? They scored once on a 5 on 3 and had a 2 on 1. I also believe the shots at one point in the first were something like 16-5 for Boston. Once Vancouver got it going, they outshot Boston 33-24.

Luongo has been shit in 3 games, but he still has as many wins as Thomas, and in the three games he won, they were tight goaltender battles.

lol. so? they could have hit the post 200 times. had dozens of 2-1 and breakaways. out shot them 5000 to 1 and guess what. that dont win hockey games i think it has something to do with putting that puck actually in the net. so i have heard

 

[mugs]

I snipped most of that, but will answer to most of it.

First read the post I was replying to and you'll see how it had to do with everything.

Second, you must have been watching a different game. After those first goals, Vancouver outscored Boston 2-1, hit the post 3 times, had a breakaway and a 2 on 1. What did Boston do after that? They scored once on a 5 on 3 and had a 2 on 1. I also believe the shots at one point in the first were something like 16-5 for Boston. Once Vancouver got it going, they outshot Boston 33-24.

Luongo has been shit in 3 games, but he still has as many wins as Thomas, and in the three games he won, they were tight goaltender battles.

Unfortunately for Vancouver they count all of the goals, not just the ones that are scored during periods of time when Vancouver scores more goals than Boston.

What's your angle here? What are you trying to argue? That Luongo isn't sucking it up out there? He's been pulled from two Stanley Cup Finals games. Thomas has clearly been the better goaltender in the series. The only reason you can even say Luongo has been the third best goaltender in the series is because Boston hasn't had to use their backup. He's given up twice as many goals as Thomas, and he's spent the equivalent of one game on the bench.

"But he has two shutouts!"

I don't know why I'm still taking you seriously.

 

[Dominato3r]

Raymond's my favorite player on the Canucks too. Despite having a pretty bad play-off run it sucks for him to leave. Him and Kesler have great chemistry.

 

[Dominato3r]

And I don't care how long Burnstein's been with the team, this sort of back injury handling could seriously fuck up someones long-term health. It's fucking 2011! Who let's someone with a back injury off without a stretcher, or at the very least a backboard?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Yes they absolutely do. See the Torres hit on Seabrook in the first round. He got an interference penalty on that just as Seabrook was about to touch the puck. He hadn't touched it, and Torres got an interference penalty on it.

The rulebook also disagrees with you. Key words are "touch" not "play" or "is near" and "immediately following loss of possession". Hasn't touched it? Can't hit him.




Go to 0:36 in this video. Tell me that's not a deliberate shove into the boards on a player in a vulnerable position...

Dude, look at facts, not blind team loyalty.
Fact, Horton passed the puke and didn't have it for over a second, the Canuk targeted him, and drove into his head. If you tell me that's not what's on film you're a d@mn liar.
The hit on Raymond was as routine as they get. Raymond just happened to be bending over at the time and was at an odd angle.

I don't have any skin in these games as my team didn't even make the playoffs. But you have to be honest with yourself.

 

[Dominato3r]

Gillis and AV just had a presser. Gillis said they'd be lucky to have Raymond back by November. AV saying Edler and Alberts both playing, Hamhuis a possibility.

 

[mosco]

Hope the Bruins win. They might not be the cleanest team sometimes, but at least they aren't babies like the Canucks. The Sedin sisters are embarrassing, everyone on the their team is just embarrassing.

The Bruins have demolished the Canucks in Boston, and the Bruins have barely lost in Vancouver. I hope the Bruins can embarrass them in Vancouver tomorrow. It's really a shame that Vancouver has such an annoying team because its a beautiful city.

 

[Dominato3r]

reporter: prognosis on raymond?

gillis: initially, concern raymond wouldn't be able to walk...when he got to the hospital, still concern...if he comes back by november of next season, we'll be lucky

reporter: is raymond still in the hospital?

gillis: we tried to delay our flight as long as possible, but hospital wouldn't release him...they had to design a corset to allow him to leave the hospital...he'll be there tonight and maybe tomorrow before he can safely travel home

reporter: what's next for raymond?

gillis: not sure...hopeful there won't be surgery, but it's a severe injury and we'll know more next week when he returns to vancouver...he'll face a long, hard recovery and we've been told it will be very challenging for him...we're hoping the injury will heal on its own

Fuck you Boychuk

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

silverpig,

I've been watching hockey for 25 years. The reason the Canucks had scoring chances when they were already blown out is because the Bruins were in rest for next game mode already. Anything that happened in the 3rd period is meaningless.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

[SIZE=+3]Boychuk hit[/SIZE]
I feel sick for Mason Raymond. I shouted a big "Oh No" when I saw him bent over and go tailbone-first into the boards. In that moment, I felt that serious injury could result from the impact with the boards based on Raymond's body position combined with whatever degree of force (minimally or otherwise) was exerted by Johnny Boychuk. This was a minor penalty for interference as a result of the "fork hook" that turned Mason Raymond as he was about to play a puck that was passing by his feet.

We allow a defensive player to step up and make legal contact on an opponent that is about to receive the puck. In this case, the puck was within the acceptable range of Mason Raymond to allow for body contact from Boychuk. The contact Boychuk employed however, involved a reach and tie-up with his stick, which could be called either interference or hooking and worthy of a minor penalty.

This "fork hook" as I would term it, caused Mason Raymond's body to turn off balance (on one skate momentarily) and then lock/tangle up with Boychuk, who had leverage and solid balance on his skates. Their combined momentum (with Boychuk being in a greater position of power/motion) propelled Raymond in a continuation of his backward motion created from the hook and into the boards.

When Mason Raymond was fully turned from the hook and balanced once again on two skates in a bent over position, it appears as though impact with the boards was perhaps five feet away. It doesn't take long to travel that distance. I did not see any evidence that Boychuk drove Raymond with any excessive or significant force other than what might be deemed normal on a finish of a play of this nature.

This is totally different from the play where Zdeno Chara rode Max Pacioretty along the rail and launched the Montreal player upward with his elbow/forearm causing Pacioretty's head to contact the stanchion. The end result of both of these plays was most unfortunately the same fractured vertebrae to both Pacioretty and Raymond. In my judgment, the force exerted and the legality of each play differed immensely.

Boychuk should have received a minor penalty on the play and no suspension should result. I wish Mason Raymond a full and speedy recovery from his injury.

[SIZE=+3]-Kerry Fraser[/SIZE]

THE END

source:
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=368912

 

[Dominato3r]

Lol, Kerry Fraser is a tool. He thought Torres should have been kicked out for the entire playoffs after the Seabrook hit.

I honestly dont even know what's going on anymore. Daniel got 10minutes for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYibYnx2V0k

 

[silverpig]

lol. so? they could have hit the post 200 times. had dozens of 2-1 and breakaways. out shot them 5000 to 1 and guess what. that dont win hockey games i think it has something to do with putting that puck actually in the net. so i have heard

Jesus, read the post I was responding to. He said Boston dominated Vancouver the entire game. They didn't. Yeah, they won, yeah they scored more goals, but it wasn't 8-0. Vancouver had their opportunities, played well for the most part (except Luongo and the 4 minutes in the first), and after that out shot and out chanced Boston. Hell, someone else in this thread even said that if Vancouver had Thomas in net, they probably would have won that game. That's my angle.

 

[silverpig]

Unfortunately for Vancouver they count all of the goals, not just the ones that are scored during periods of time when Vancouver scores more goals than Boston.

What's your angle here? What are you trying to argue? That Luongo isn't sucking it up out there? He's been pulled from two Stanley Cup Finals games. Thomas has clearly been the better goaltender in the series. The only reason you can even say Luongo has been the third best goaltender in the series is because Boston hasn't had to use their backup. He's given up twice as many goals as Thomas, and he's spent the equivalent of one game on the bench.

"But he has two shutouts!"

I don't know why I'm still taking you seriously.

Again, read the post I responded to... He said Boston skated circles around the Canucks that night. They didn't.

 

[silverpig]

Dude, look at facts, not blind team loyalty.
Fact, Horton passed the puke and didn't have it for over a second, the Canuk targeted him, and drove into his head. If you tell me that's not what's on film you're a d@mn liar.
The hit on Raymond was as routine as they get. Raymond just happened to be bending over at the time and was at an odd angle.

I don't have any skin in these games as my team didn't even make the playoffs. But you have to be honest with yourself.

The Horton hit happened less than a second after he passed the puck. This has been confirmed by the league. The hit, although late, was legal in all other respects, also confirmed by the league. Rome didn't drive into his head, also confirmed by the league. Some head contact is legal, so long as it isn't being targeted. This is in the rulebook, and was also the ruling by the league on the matter. Read Mike Murphy's comments on the incident if you don't believe me.

Raymond didn't happen to be bending over at the time. He was going for the puck, and was interfered with (again, textbook definition right out of the rulebook) by Boychuk, and spun around when Boychuk put his stick between Raymond's legs. Look at the video. The boarding rule clearly states that the entire burden is on the player doing the hitting to AVOID contact if the other player is in a vulnerable position. Look at the picture. Now look at the video again and tell me Boychuk doesn't force Raymond into the boards at the last second.

You even admit Raymond was bending over and at an odd angle. The rules clearly state that Boychuk MUST AVOID contact in that case.

 

[silverpig]

Lol, Kerry Fraser is a tool. He thought Torres should have been kicked out for the entire playoffs after the Seabrook hit.

I honestly dont even know what's going on anymore. Daniel got 10minutes for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYibYnx2V0k

I don't know what to think anymore. Fraser says it should be a minor penalty, but then doesn't see the obvious shove into the boards when he's in a vulnerable position?

If anything I don't mind it not being a penalty for interference as it was close and that kind of thing happens all the time, but the shove at the end which broke his freaking back is what gets me. No review either. Lame.