NHL playoffs 2011 thread

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MotF Bane

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Tim Thomas, what a game. Save after save, and he actually should have had a shutout last game too (if not for the cheapass goal by Hanson who had to slash the guy defending him on the back of the leg to get wide open to score). Thomas giving it back to Burrows for knocking his stick out showed how cantankerous he can be if you piss him off.

The crowd chanting Nathan Horton was classic. Vigneault and Sedin really fcked up by opening their mouths about the Rome hit. Game 5 is must win for them because it won't go back to Vancouver for a Game 7 if Game 6 in Boston is the deciding game. Also, who will be the starting goalie for Game 5, Luongo or Schneider? I would go with Schneider at this point because Lu has lost his confidence and he has a history of folding. Or they could live and die by who got them there.

Thomas is doing more fighting than some of the Canucks. :awe:

I can't hear most of the crowd chants, I would've liked to hear that one. I hope they use Luongo next time, he's become very good for us.
 

jalaram

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Argh! My company will have tix (again) for game 6, but I'll be in Las Vegas for a PTC conference. Missed out on the Tampa series because of a trip and now this too.
 

BeauJangles

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Tim Thomas, what a game. Save after save, and he actually should have had a shutout last game too (if not for the cheapass goal by Hanson who had to slash the guy defending him on the back of the leg to get wide open to score). Thomas giving it back to Burrows for knocking his stick out showed how cantankerous he can be if you piss him off.

Burrows should have been given a penalty for that crap. It's pretty dirty to try and knock the goalie's stick out of his hand.

The crowd chanting Nathan Horton was classic. Vigneault and Sedin really fcked up by opening their mouths about the Rome hit.

Not only was it stupid because it fed the flame in the Bruins' locker room, but it was classless, especially on Vigneault's part. Whether or not you think that hit was a penalty, you don't run your mouth about it, you just say something like "the NHL made a ruling on that play and we'll have to live with it, but I hope that Nathan Horton recovers quickly. That was a scary moment out there" or something.

I think that, in general, Vancouver has really tried to draw a lot of penalties on questionable calls and it has backfired on them big time. The Bruins are playing with a chip on their shoulder right now not only because of the Horton hit but because of Burrows' antics, Sedin's ridiculous "I got hit in the face even though the stick came nowhere close to me," Ballard's idiotic flop behind the net last night, etc. When you're winning, moves like that can be infuriating, but when you genuinely believe you're going to win (and win big), those antics just get a team more fired up.

I would go with Schneider at this point because Lu has lost his confidence and he has a history of folding. Or they could live and die by who got them there.

Luongo gets the start. Any signs of trouble and he's gone. The bigger question is if Luongo stays in net but the Canucks lose. Do they switch for the elimination game?

Very exciting series, let's see if the Canucks can counterpunch back in the next game, which is the probably the most important. Hold onto to your seat!

Vancouver is going to have to do something on defense. Boston has been doing a great job getting to the net for a lot of their goals, but a bunch of them have simply been because the Canucks' defense has been horrible. Peverely's goal is a great example of that, so was Marchand's goal in Game 3.

Ballard was a complete disaster last night, highlighted by his flopping on the ground while the Bruins scored another goal. Honestly, you haven't played all series and you come in to flop? Get up and play some hockey.

To compound all that, the Bruins definitely have a big mental edge right now. Vancouver is playing scared and having a lot of difficulty matching Boston's physical play. Most surprising to me is how aggressive the Bruins have become on penalty killing. Last series they were a disaster against Tampa and now they're being aggressive and letting Marchand and Paille harass the crap out of them in their own zone.
 

BeauJangles

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I can't hear most of the crowd chants, I would've liked to hear that one. I hope they use Luongo next time, he's become very good for us.

Pretty sure most of the chants were taunting Luongo, but I think there was also a good deal of "Nathan Horton" chanting going on. It was hard to hear.
 

MotF Bane

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Ballard's flop was hilarious. The goal just made it perfect.

Sedin's ridiculous "I got hit in the face even though the stick came nowhere close to me,"

I thought it actually did hit him very lightly, just he made it look like his skull had been caved in. So, either way, he's still a little bitch.
 

BeauJangles

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Ballard's flop was hilarious. The goal just made it perfect.



I thought it actually did hit him very lightly, just he made it look like his skull had been caved in. So, either way, he's still a little bitch.

The best part of that was Mike Emrick, who said something along the lines of, "and Henrik Sedin goes to the ground grabbing his face for some completely unrelated reason [to the hit]."
 

silverpig

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All season and all playoffs long the Canucks do this. They get on a roll, win some games, and then they have 2-3 where they just look terrible. The nice thing is it never really lasts much more than 2 games. They make their adjustments and then come back out to their winning ways.
 
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All season and all playoffs long the Canucks do this. They get on a roll, win some games, and then they have 2-3 where they just look terrible. The nice thing is it never really lasts much more than 2 games. They make their adjustments and then come back out to their winning ways.

The bruins are smart and physical. They play good positioning almost always. The Cs have a hard task in front of them. At the same time, the Bruins love to cycle the puck and I have not seen a team do it so well in a long long time. The Cs will have a hard time getting the Bs out of their zone for the rest of the series. The Cs can get pressue on but the Bruins are very good at breaking that pressure. And Tim Thomas (assuming a Bs victory) has The Conn Smythe Trophy locked up and a seat in the hall of fame waiting for him.

Teams that try to draw penalties in the playoffs don't usually get to far. If a C gets knocked down and lays there trying to draw a penalty next game, they have already lost. I'll base the outcome on that alone. If a single C trys to draw a penalty (and stops playing while trying to do so) just once, they will not win the cup.
 
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SP33Demon

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The bruins are smart and physical. They play good positioning almost always. The Cs have a hard task in front of them. At the same time, the Bruins love to cycle the puck and I have not seen a team do it so well in a long long time. The Cs will have a hard time getting the Bs out of their zone for the rest of the series. The Cs can get pressue on but the Bruins are very good at breaking that pressure. And Tim Thomas (assuming a Bs victory) has The Conn Smythe Trophy locked up and a seat in the hall of fame waiting for him.

Teams that try to draw penalties in the playoffs don't usually get to far. If a C gets knocked down and lays there trying to draw a penalty next game, they have already lost. I'll base the outcome on that alone. If a single C trys to draw a penalty (and stops playing while trying to do so) just once, they will not win the cup.

I thought it was humorous when Sedin went down in the 3rd after the whistle and one of the B's bent over and was yelling GET UP YOU PUSSY. Because the Sedins always go down like a the wind blew them over if they're even tapped after the whistle blows. It was pretty funny. I'd love to see them fight, just once against Boston. Hell, even if they lose badly, they will still get a lot of respect, e.g. Marleau vs Bieksa. He lost badly but showed some courage in even taking on a guy like Bieksa to try and fire his team up. That's what the great ones do, show no fear. Even Crosby will fight, not sure I've ever seen the Sedins fight (but I don't watch much of Vanc at all). Your job, with that C or A on your jersey, is to inspire your team.
 

MotF Bane

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I thought it was humorous when Sedin went down in the 3rd after the whistle and one of the B's bent over and was yelling GET UP YOU PUSSY. Because the Sedins always go down like a the wind blew them over if they're even tapped after the whistle blows. It was pretty funny. I'd love to see them fight, just once against Boston. Hell, even if they lose badly, they will still get a lot of respect, e.g. Marleau vs Bieksa. He lost badly but showed some courage in even taking on a guy like Bieksa to try and fire his team up. That's what the great ones do, show no fear. Even Crosby will fight, not sure I've ever seen the Sedins fight (but I don't watch much of Vanc at all). Your job, with that C or A on your jersey, is to inspire your team.

About the only way the sisters would get in a fight is if they go it together. Against the smallest Bruin. Cowards.
 

Dominato3r

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There were a lot of flops from the Bruins side too last game, more-so than the Canucks. Right now I just hope the EA simulation is right :awe:

Even Crosby will fight, not sure I've ever seen the Sedins fight (but I don't watch much of Vanc at all). Your job, with that C or A on your jersey, is to inspire your team.

About the only way the sisters would get in a fight is if they go it together. Against the smallest Bruin. Cowards.

Why should they? They have never fought (AFAIK) and dont need too.
 

BeauJangles

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There were a lot of flops from the Bruins side too last game, more-so than the Canucks. Right now I just hope the EA simulation is right :awe:

Really? Ferrence sold getting hit in the face a little, but at least he actually got hit. Vancouver's defense literally let a goal in because they were too busy flopping and trying to draw penalties. Marchand might have up-ended someone into the boards, but at least he did so and immediately dropped his gloves and was ready to fight.

Don't even try to play the "who plays dirtier" argument. Your team has Burrows on it and he's about as dirty as they come, with his full capacity on display in Game 4. Hacking at Thomas' stick is one of the dirtiest plays in hockey and then he cross checks Thomas after Thomas retaliates. Even your own team can't stand him and has no interest in supporting him.

The Canucks' defensive enforcer is out of the series after delivering a late, dirty hit on Boston's second-best player.

When it comes to flopping and dirty play, I don't think it's even close. Vancouver has played like a bunch of pansies, Boston has played hard and physical.

Why should they? They have never fought (AFAIK) and dont need too.

They sure talk a lot of smack for guys who have no interest in fighting.
 
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There were a lot of flops from the Bruins side too last game, more-so than the Canucks. Right now I just hope the EA simulation is right :awe:

Ya, but the Canucks stop playing when they do it. That is a good way to loose a series. Seeing the Canucks play the way they are, I am amazed that they made it this far.
 
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MotF Bane

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Two questions:

1) If a goalie gets a penalty for something (e.g. delay of game), how is it decided who goes in the box?

2) If a player gets a penalty involving the box and ejection (i.e. Aaron Rome on Horton), how is it decided who goes in the box?
 

bignateyk

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Two questions:

1) If a goalie gets a penalty for something (e.g. delay of game), how is it decided who goes in the box?

2) If a player gets a penalty involving the box and ejection (i.e. Aaron Rome on Horton), how is it decided who goes in the box?

For 1) I think the penalized team can chose any player who was on the ice at the time the penalty was called.

For 2) I believe they can put whoever they want in the box, but that person will have to come out onto the ice when it is over.
 

Train

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For 1) I think the penalized team can chose any player who was on the ice at the time the penalty was called.

For 2) I believe they can put whoever they want in the box, but that person will have to come out onto the ice when it is over.

I think these are both correct. But I'd add that (for #2) technically a team does not have to put someone in the box, they can just have 4 guys on the ice, and I *think* they are allowed to use the full bench to rotate through those 4 spots. The downside of this move is that when the penalty is over, the 5th player must come FROM the box, meaning you are stuck with 4 guys until the next stoppage of play. A team can do this if they think A) there will be a stoppage of play at which point they can put someone in the box to serve the remainder of the penalty, or B) the penalty expires after the period is over so they are safe.
 

bignateyk

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I think these are both correct. But I'd add that (for #2) technically a team does not have to put someone in the box, they can just have 4 guys on the ice, and I *think* they are allowed to use the full bench to rotate through those 4 spots. The downside of this move is that when the penalty is over, the 5th player must come FROM the box, meaning you are stuck with 4 guys until the next stoppage of play. A team can do this if they think A) there will be a stoppage of play at which point they can put someone in the box to serve the remainder of the penalty, or B) the penalty expires after the period is over so they are safe.

Yeah. I was going to add this after the fact, but I was feeling lazy. This happened to a team the pens were playing last year. They didn't put someone in the box and there wasn't a single stoppage during the power play. The power play ended and it was another minute or two until they were able to get the 5th guy back out on the ice :biggrin:. I think it might have been against the caps.
 

MotF Bane

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Yeah. I was going to add this after the fact, but I was feeling lazy. This happened to a team the pens were playing last year. They didn't put someone in the box and there wasn't a single stoppage during the power play. The power play ended and it was another minute or two until they were able to get the 5th guy back out on the ice :biggrin:. I think it might have been against the caps.

Why would they do something like that? D:
 

Dominato3r

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Really? Ferrence sold getting hit in the face a little, but at least he actually got hit. Vancouver's defense literally let a goal in because they were too busy flopping and trying to draw penalties. Marchand might have up-ended someone into the boards, but at least he did so and immediately dropped his gloves and was ready to fight.

Don't even try to play the "who plays dirtier" argument. Your team has Burrows on it and he's about as dirty as they come, with his full capacity on display in Game 4. Hacking at Thomas' stick is one of the dirtiest plays in hockey and then he cross checks Thomas after Thomas retaliates. Even your own team can't stand him and has no interest in supporting him.

The Canucks' defensive enforcer is out of the series after delivering a late, dirty hit on Boston's second-best player.

When it comes to flopping and dirty play, I don't think it's even close. Vancouver has played like a bunch of pansies, Boston has played hard and physical.
Burrows not liked? He's probably one of the hardest working players on the team and most liked by fans. The guy's a warrior. Ever since that incident with a referee a year or so back, and that segment on him by Ron Maclean he's earned some sort of dirty personality which isn't true at all. Though it is true he plays on the edge like.

They sure talk a lot of smack for guys who have no interest in fighting.

What smack?
 
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