No brats allowed

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Amused
*More single parent families or both parents working
* More kids being raised in day care, rather than by an attentive parent.

I blame these two the most. Absentee parenting isn't parenting. If the adult a young child spends the most waking hours with is a daycare worker and not a parent, I question whether any effective parenting is being accomplished.

 

[zendari]

Damn right. Screaming babies and toddlers parents should get written up on noise ordinances.

 

[crystal]

lol, what's with all the QFT when talking how kids acted 20 - 30 years ago. Most of you aren't even born yet.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

No, there actually is a huge difference today. And I'm old enough to notice it.

Many reasons why:

*More single parent families or both parents working
*Parents take kids to more inappropriate places
*The sense of entitlement many parents feel
*A break down in common manners
* More kids being raised in day care, rather than by an attentive parent.
*A move in the last 20 years to make everything "family oriented." (Which ruined Las Vegas, BTW)

30 years ago you would almost NEVER see a parent treat a nice restaurant like a Chuck E. Cheese. Now it's common. Parents seem to feel that they are not only entitled to take their kids anywhere, but that it's perfectly OK to allow the kids to run around with abandon and bug the crap out of everyone.

That was RARE years ago, and is very common today.

QFMFT

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

Adults who were overly disciplined as children often display a lack of emotional control as well as the tendency to make sweeping generalizations based on their own stilted perceptions.

LOL, irony.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke
So...you are making a sweeping generalizations about all parents in a gneration because you've seen some kids acting badly? If that kid was really drugged he wouldn't have been acting that way. I agree parents need to be more responsible and take a greater role in disciplining their kids, however making references to the good old days is a reflex action every generation takes as it ages. Just my opinion.

I am not making sweeping generalizations from a single event. I am 43 years old. I see kids EVERY day that act like little brats. They are everywhere you go and along with them are their lazy non-disciplining parents. Tonight was an example only. This has nothing to do with the "good old days". This has to do with poeple being to damned lazy to live up to their responsibilities and society's degradation to the point that it does not hold anyone to any standards anymore. I am not whining. I have witnessed the decay of society my entire life. It has been worse over the last 15 years. Hell, you can't even get kids to move out of the street anymore when you are in your car....they expect you to go around them.

QFT Ronstang! I may have had the last generation of parents (they are 45 and 51) that still cared about proper manners in public. If I even fidgeted in my seat, I was told to stop. If I persisted, I'd be scolded and possibly taken to the car and spanked. I work at a pizza place, and yes, there video games so there will be kids walking back and forth, but they often bump into people's tables, touch people's shoulders, yell across the restaurant...etc...and the parents don't even say anything.

Oh and by the way, when our party room is rented out, it's not uncommon to see dirty diapers on the floor either (and I"m not just talking about #1). I see them at the parks too under the picnic tables. Just more proof of lazy parenting.

Naw, what your parents or at least your dad should have done is instead of "spanking you" which IMO is still dumb, but guilt tripped you into not being a little brat "supposedly speaking", making the kid feel guilty for what their doing is seemingly the best way to stop them from doing something such as that, though that seems abnormal with the squirming..

And that ladies and gentlemen is EXACTLY why the last couple generations are weaker and less well behaved than any previous..

 

[BobDaMenkey]

I'm all for supporting this. When I worked at a board n card game store, I saw it on a near daily basis. During the summer months, it WAS a daily basis. Parents would come up to the front of the store, and instruct little jimmy or suzie to be a good little kid in my store while they went to shop for shoes next door. WTF, watch your kid, they aren't my responsibility. And I'm stuck there not able to do jack about it, because my boss would come down on me for kicking the brats out.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke
So...you are making a sweeping generalizations about all parents in a gneration because you've seen some kids acting badly? If that kid was really drugged he wouldn't have been acting that way. I agree parents need to be more responsible and take a greater role in disciplining their kids, however making references to the good old days is a reflex action every generation takes as it ages. Just my opinion.

I am not making sweeping generalizations from a single event. I am 43 years old. I see kids EVERY day that act like little brats. They are everywhere you go and along with them are their lazy non-disciplining parents. Tonight was an example only. This has nothing to do with the "good old days". This has to do with poeple being to damned lazy to live up to their responsibilities and society's degradation to the point that it does not hold anyone to any standards anymore. I am not whining. I have witnessed the decay of society my entire life. It has been worse over the last 15 years. Hell, you can't even get kids to move out of the street anymore when you are in your car....they expect you to go around them.

QFT Ronstang! I may have had the last generation of parents (they are 45 and 51) that still cared about proper manners in public. If I even fidgeted in my seat, I was told to stop. If I persisted, I'd be scolded and possibly taken to the car and spanked. I work at a pizza place, and yes, there video games so there will be kids walking back and forth, but they often bump into people's tables, touch people's shoulders, yell across the restaurant...etc...and the parents don't even say anything.

Oh and by the way, when our party room is rented out, it's not uncommon to see dirty diapers on the floor either (and I"m not just talking about #1). I see them at the parks too under the picnic tables. Just more proof of lazy parenting.

Naw, what your parents or at least your dad should have done is instead of "spanking you" which IMO is still dumb, but guilt tripped you into not being a little brat "supposedly speaking", making the kid feel guilty for what their doing is seemingly the best way to stop them from doing something such as that, though that seems abnormal with the squirming..

And that ladies and gentlemen is EXACTLY why the last couple generations are weaker and less well behaved than any previous..

You have to find a discipline that works for the child. My sister would rather have been spanked then sat in the corner, so what did my dad do for her punishment? He put her in the corner (she didn't like the fact that it took longer).

Conversely I didn't mind being put in "timeout" because I could still play in my head while I was there. My parents realized this and spanked me. While there are other options then just these two, my point is you have to find something that works for the child. I know this is a shock but NOT ALL CHILDREN ARE THE SAME and you cannot treat them as such.

 

[DougK62]

"That's right, T-Mart. I'm putting you in time out."

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

I actually fear having kids. I can just see my kid telling a teacher or someone that I spanked him and then I'd end up going to jail because of all the effeminate people who are making those stupid laws now.

ZV

Sufficiently skilled parenting produces quality individuals without spanking.

That's too easy to say. Unless they're sheltered, kids are heavily influenced by the outside environment as well (other kids, media, etc). Ultimately they have to decide who is right.

 

[Vic]

The difference IMO is that a generation or so ago parents would actually be embarassed if their child acted out in public. They rightly saw that their child was a reflection on themselves and behaved accordingly. Today, in our ever more rude and passive-aggressive world, people just don't give a sh!t. Even worse, some people seem to delight at how their unruly children annoys others, as they know those others can't do a thing about it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

Adults who were overly disciplined as children often display a lack of emotional control as well as the tendency to make sweeping generalizations based on their own stilted perceptions.

LOL, irony.

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

I actually fear having kids. I can just see my kid telling a teacher or someone that I spanked him and then I'd end up going to jail because of all the effeminate people who are making those stupid laws now.

ZV

Sufficiently skilled parenting produces quality individuals without spanking.

Can kids who aren't spanked turn out OK? Yes. Is spanking always un-necessary? No.

If the situation warrants it, I have no problem with the idea of spanking. And the simple fact is that the situation often warrants it with young children.

ZV

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

No, there actually is a huge difference today. And I'm old enough to notice it.

Many reasons why:

*More single parent families or both parents working
*Parents take kids to more inappropriate places
*The sense of entitlement many parents feel
*A break down in common manners
* More kids being raised in day care, rather than by an attentive parent.
*A move in the last 20 years to make everything "family oriented." (Which ruined Las Vegas, BTW)

30 years ago you would almost NEVER see a parent treat a nice restaurant like a Chuck E. Cheese. Now it's common. Parents seem to feel that they are not only entitled to take their kids anywhere, but that it's perfectly OK to allow the kids to run around with abandon and bug the crap out of everyone.

That was RARE years ago, and is very common today.

I agree with all but the day care, if any thing the day care we took our son to re-enforced the use of manners.They would not put up with with unruly child as it caused disruption thru out the whole area. Wee-Discover in Waterford Mi excellent day care for any one in the area

 

[PinmasterJay]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
haha, i thought this was about tailgating.

:beer:

So did I, :beer:

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

I actually fear having kids. I can just see my kid telling a teacher or someone that I spanked him and then I'd end up going to jail because of all the effeminate people who are making those stupid laws now.

ZV

Sufficiently skilled parenting produces quality individuals without spanking.

Ah, yes, because all children can be reared the same way... there's a "perfect golden parenting plan" that fits every situation.

 

[JulesMaximus]

If someone tried to reprimand my kid I'd tell them to get lost.

Just what this country needs...more busy body douchebags. :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If someone tried to reprimand my kid I'd tell them to get lost.

Just what this country needs...more busy body douchebags. :roll:

"They" (the businesses) aren't reprimanding your kid. They're telling you to keep them under control or YOU get lost and take you sh!tty little brat with you.

Something I've done plenty of times.

As for the sidebar story, well, good luck with that.

 

[Dragnov]

I love all the old folk talking abou the decay of society and bad mannered children nowadays. Guess which generation raised these children. :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
I love all the old folk talking abou the decay of society and bad mannered children nowadays. Guess which generation raised these children. :roll:

You're acting as if no one realizes that and as if it has some meaning.

Hint: It doesn't.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
I love all the old folk talking abou the decay of society and bad mannered children nowadays. Guess which generation raised these children. :roll:

given the growth of teen pregnacy, i'd say this generation is raising itself

 

[daveymark]

I agree with the poster above about daycare - if one parent can't stay home to raise kids, then kids shouldn't be had. Putting your child in daycare essentially means you can't provide for your own child yourself - e.g. - you've failed as a parent.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If someone tried to reprimand my kid I'd tell them to get lost.

Just what this country needs...more busy body douchebags. :roll:

I don't see how the problem will ever come up if you keep your kids under control and reprimand them yourself. So if the situation ever does come up, I think the douchebag is probably not the "busy body" who reprimanded your kid. I don't know what you consider to be a busy body, but I've always thought a busy body was someone who sticks their nose in someone else's business. If your kids are at a restaurant disrupting other people's dinners, that IS their business.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

It was a baseball game not an opera. If you had that big of an issue you should have asked his parents to control the child or change his seat so as to not obstruct your view.

As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants. Unless my dinner is over $50/person I am talking my kids because I don't care what some uptight geezer considers rude, and I don't want to eat at home all the time.

Besides I can't simulate the same environment to teach my kids how to behave in a public place so we use live places. If you notice kids will often act in accord to their surroundings.

This is just freakin crazy, when I sit down in a restaurant, I want hear the conversation at a normal decibel. Not your unruly brats acting like monkeys in the stinking jungle. It is called common courtesy to keep your child in line so other people can enjoy their meals. Just because you pay for a meal in a PUBLIC PLACE does not give you the right to let your kids scream and holler at will. Other people payed for the same privilege as you did to eat at that restaurant, so what gives you the right to spoil their evening out. By your post it is obvious that you could give 2 sh!ts about other peoples rights as long as your happy then everyone else can go to hell and kiss your a$$. This is the classic selfish parenting that exists today. I can honestly that my 10 year old has never thrown a tantrum in a restaurant, he has tried on a couple of occasions but a soft stern voice quieted any uprising that he had in mind. Your lack of respect for other people will only be intensified by your child as he grows older. Thanks for contributing to the degradation of American Society. Lets hope that when they are old enough to understand words and phrases that someone in a restaurant does not show the same respect you have for others and use a tirade of profanity in your presence

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If someone tried to reprimand my kid I'd tell them to get lost.

Just what this country needs...more busy body douchebags. :roll:

I don't see how the problem will ever come up if you keep your kids under control and reprimand them yourself. So if the situation ever does come up, I think the douchebag is probably not the "busy body" who reprimanded your kid. I don't know what you consider to be a busy body, but I've always thought a busy body was someone who sticks their nose in someone else's business. If your kids are at a restaurant disrupting other people's dinners, that IS their business.

:thumbsup::beer: