No brats allowed

[JoLLyRoGer]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents were actually allowed to parent before this nation became a PC pussified nanny-state that sticks it nose WAY too far into people's personal lives and sticks kids in foster homes because the kid deservedly got his ass beat for playing in traffic or mouthing back. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

There, I just had to fix that for you.

BTW, I also believe that Ritilan is a racket and ADHD is just a BS diagnosis for parents that can't deal with their kids acting like normal kids!

 

[phantom309]

I'm one of the "older generation". What I remember about the 60s and 70s is that society as a whole was much more kid-friendly than it is now. People took their children almost everywhere - and they knew that there would be plenty of other families everywhere they went. Unless you were running a fancy restaurant, a bar or an expensive boutique you simply assumed you'd be dealing with families. I think one reason kids didn't seem so obnoxious back then is simply that they were more used to being in public places - and adults (most of whom had kids of their own) were more used to having them around.

These days children don't get that kind of social exposure with the adult world. They spend their time indoors watching TV or playing video games, partly because their parents are terrified of letting them out into a world that they perceive full of pedophiles and criminals - and partly because they're afraid of offending the large portion of Americans who are sneeringly contemptuous of all families and children. So yeah, when they do go out in public they don't know how to act.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If someone tried to reprimand my kid I'd tell them to get lost.

Just what this country needs...more busy body douchebags. :roll:

I don't see how the problem will ever come up if you keep your kids under control and reprimand them yourself. So if the situation ever does come up, I think the douchebag is probably not the "busy body" who reprimanded your kid. I don't know what you consider to be a busy body, but I've always thought a busy body was someone who sticks their nose in someone else's business. If your kids are at a restaurant disrupting other people's dinners, that IS their business.

Look, I've had my kid misbehave at a restaurant and I've dealt with it. It's an incremental thing though. You tell them what they can and cannot do and if they keep doing it then you deal with it. I could just see some short tempered dickhead making it his business when it really isn't.

I'd be pissed as hell if some fvckwad came over and started telling me how to raise my kid. Oh, and he'd better be prepared to fight if he ever touches my kid.

I don't take my son to quiet restaurants though so this has never been a problem. Most places here, even the nice ones are pretty noisy and crowded anyway.

 

[Baked]

So how I read the title as "No bras allowed."

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Baked
So how I read the title as "No bras allowed."

:beer:

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

The ultimate solution to this problem would be to eat the offending babies and toddlers. That would teach the parents that this is serious business and at the same time provide some recompense (i.e., free food) to those who may have incurred damages during their dining experience.

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

It was a baseball game not an opera. If you had that big of an issue you should have asked his parents to control the child or change his seat so as to not obstruct your view.

As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants. Unless my dinner is over $50/person I am talking my kids because I don't care what some uptight geezer considers rude, and I don't want to eat at home all the time.

Besides I can't simulate the same environment to teach my kids how to behave in a public place so we use live places. If you notice kids will often act in accord to their surroundings.

This is just freakin crazy, when I sit down in a restaurant, I want hear the conversation at a normal decibel. Not your unruly brats acting like monkeys in the stinking jungle. It is called common courtesy to keep your child in line so other people can enjoy their meals. Just because you pay for a meal in a PUBLIC PLACE does not give you the right to let your kids scream and holler at will. Other people payed for the same privilege as you did to eat at that restaurant, so what gives you the right to spoil their evening out. By your post it is obvious that you could give 2 sh!ts about other peoples rights as long as your happy then everyone else can go to hell and kiss your a$$. This is the classic selfish parenting that exists today. I can honestly that my 10 year old has never thrown a tantrum in a restaurant, he has tried on a couple of occasions but a soft stern voice quieted any uprising that he had in mind. Your lack of respect for other people will only be intensified by your child as he grows older. Thanks for contributing to the degradation of American Society. Lets hope that when they are old enough to understand words and phrases that someone in a restaurant does not show the same respect you have for others and use a tirade of profanity in your presence

For beginners you have no idea how my kids act at a restaurant but you do seem to make a lot of ASSumptions. I never said they yell or get out of their seats. Yes my 6 month old gets cranky sometimes and we take him to get some air. I can assure you, however, that the 'adults' that insist on making phone calls during dining-out are contributing more "to the degradation of American Society" than a babbling 6 month old and a very well mannered (for a) 2.5 YO.

If you have a 10 YO who has never talked out loud in public then either he has been abused or has some type of societal disorder, unless with your 'soft stern voice' you are a Clint Eastwood cowboy incarnate.

So if you want a nice evening out without any children present go to a nice restaurant where they don't have a kids menu and crayons. If you choose to go to Friday's, Applebees, Don Pablos, etc., you just going to have to deal with some noise whether it comes from infants or adults. Maybe you can take the battery out of the hearing-aid. :laugh:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: zendari
Damn right. Screaming babies and toddlers parents should get written up on noise ordinances.

what about screaming adults flamebaiting on internet message forums?

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Yup!:thumbsup:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: RKS


For beginners you have no idea how my kids act at a restaurant but you do seem to make a lot of ASSumptions. I never said they yell or get out of their seats. Yes my 6 month old gets cranky sometimes and we take him to get some air. I can assure you, however, that the 'adults' that insist on making phone calls during dining-out are contributing more "to the degradation of American Society" than a babbling 6 month old and a very well mannered (for a) 2.5 YO.

If you have a 10 YO who has never talked out loud in public then either he has been abused or has some type of societal disorder, unless with your 'soft stern voice' you are a Clint Eastwood cowboy incarnate.

So if you want a nice evening out without any children present go to a nice restaurant where they don't have a kids menu and crayons. If you choose to go to Friday's, Applebees, Don Pablos, etc., you just going to have to deal with some noise whether it comes from infants or adults. Maybe you can take the battery out of the hearing-aid. :laugh:

Your post did imply that your kids do things that some "uptight geezers" consider rude. I don't think the cost of the dinner should determine whether someone should be allowed to have a pleasant dining experience. If you take your kids outside as soon as they start getting loud then you're better than most parents. :thumbsup:

 

[Nebor]

It shouldn't be illegal for restaurants to ban children. They're noisy and distracting and they don't bring in as much revenue per seat as an adult.

The best thing places can do is not have a kids menu. :thumbsup:

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Aw that's crap. Kids were just as bad 20-30 years ago. I know because I was there. Kids are kids- they don't understand why they can't have something, they just know they're being denied what they want, and they put up a fight over it.

 

[BoomerD]

I have no problem with a restaurant having either a "No Kids" section, or banning ALL kids during certain hours.
Well behaved kids aren't a problem, and attentive parents aren't either. It's the kids who run around raising hell while their parents ignore them that are the problem for most of us.
In "days gone by", if a child started crying, one parent would take them outside, or to the rest room, so they didn't bother other patrons. Seems to happen less and less as time goes on. Seems like some parents believe everyone should have to suffer when their kids throw a tantrum.

 

[icyroy05]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
The ultimate solution to this problem would be to eat the offending babies and toddlers. That would teach the parents that this is serious business and at the same time provide some recompense (i.e., free food) to those who may have incurred damages during their dining experience.

Post birth abortion FTW!

Free food is good too.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Shops and restaurants ban noisy kids because they think it is less confrontational than taking their parent(s) to task. I dislike making any broad policies that limit the enjoyment and custom of restaurants I have been associated with.

That being said, in the past I have had no problem telling parents who refuse to keep their children from running in the aisles that it is dangerous and their business is no longer welcome. I comp their check if they've already eaten and usher them to the door.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

It was a baseball game not an opera. If you had that big of an issue you should have asked his parents to control the child or change his seat so as to not obstruct your view.

As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants. Unless my dinner is over $50/person I am talking my kids because I don't care what some uptight geezer considers rude, and I don't want to eat at home all the time.

Besides I can't simulate the same environment to teach my kids how to behave in a public place so we use live places. If you notice kids will often act in accord to their surroundings.

This is just freakin crazy, when I sit down in a restaurant, I want hear the conversation at a normal decibel. Not your unruly brats acting like monkeys in the stinking jungle. It is called common courtesy to keep your child in line so other people can enjoy their meals. Just because you pay for a meal in a PUBLIC PLACE does not give you the right to let your kids scream and holler at will. Other people payed for the same privilege as you did to eat at that restaurant, so what gives you the right to spoil their evening out. By your post it is obvious that you could give 2 sh!ts about other peoples rights as long as your happy then everyone else can go to hell and kiss your a$$. This is the classic selfish parenting that exists today. I can honestly that my 10 year old has never thrown a tantrum in a restaurant, he has tried on a couple of occasions but a soft stern voice quieted any uprising that he had in mind. Your lack of respect for other people will only be intensified by your child as he grows older. Thanks for contributing to the degradation of American Society. Lets hope that when they are old enough to understand words and phrases that someone in a restaurant does not show the same respect you have for others and use a tirade of profanity in your presence

For beginners you have no idea how my kids act at a restaurant but you do seem to make a lot of ASSumptions. I never said they yell or get out of their seats. Yes my 6 month old gets cranky sometimes and we take him to get some air. I can assure you, however, that the 'adults' that insist on making phone calls during dining-out are contributing more "to the degradation of American Society" than a babbling 6 month old and a very well mannered (for a) 2.5 YO.

If you have a 10 YO who has never talked out loud in public then either he has been abused or has some type of societal disorder, unless with your 'soft stern voice' you are a Clint Eastwood cowboy incarnate.

So if you want a nice evening out without any children present go to a nice restaurant where they don't have a kids menu and crayons. If you choose to go to Friday's, Applebees, Don Pablos, etc., you just going to have to deal with some noise whether it comes from infants or adults. Maybe you can take the battery out of the hearing-aid. :laugh:

You said it yourself "As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants" are your words. That would imply you could not give sh!t about other patrons. You said nothing about a polite 2.5 yr old, a 2.5 can be well mannered in a restaurant. Next time state what you mean.


For beginners you have no idea how my kids act at a restaurant but you do seem to make a lot of ASSumptions.

Take your own advice please, when talking about children, I gave no indication about my child except to say he is well mannered and listens. We include our child in dinner time conversation and when he was younger we took items that we knew would keep his attention and participated in these items with him. Where as you said it yourself........ please refer to your words

I said what I said based on what you posted "As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants" Now next time say what you mean and maybe I and other posters would or could not take it out of context.

Just remember that I and posters only posted based on what YOU said.

With that I leave you to post any diatribe you feel will neccesary.

 

[nageov3t]

if you go to a family restaurant during peak hours and are annoyed at the children there... you brought it on yourself.

it's something completely different in nice, upscale adult restaurants, though.

 

[Platypus]

I've seen the decline myself even in just a few years...

Last night I went to the liquor store with my roommate to pick up some supplies and there was a little 'gang' of young teenage girls, probably around the age of 14 who were dressed like fashion-core whores who just stepped out of MTV screaming obscenities and random garbage at people. 'Go fvck yourself, I slept with your mom last night, go fvck your blowup dolls' etc. to like random people and families.

It's not that I care, but if I said anything remotely close to that when I was 14 I would have been knocked into next week. I'm surprised not a single person said anything at all.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
haha, i thought this was about tailgating.

:beer:

I did too at first. Can ya tell we're both from WI?

But as to the actual story, Good! If the parents can't control their kids then they shouldn't be allowed to take them somewhere that their own incompetence can ruin other people's time as well.

LOL Me too!

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

It was a baseball game not an opera. If you had that big of an issue you should have asked his parents to control the child or change his seat so as to not obstruct your view.

As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants. Unless my dinner is over $50/person I am talking my kids because I don't care what some uptight geezer considers rude, and I don't want to eat at home all the time.

Besides I can't simulate the same environment to teach my kids how to behave in a public place so we use live places. If you notice kids will often act in accord to their surroundings.

This is just freakin crazy, when I sit down in a restaurant, I want hear the conversation at a normal decibel. Not your unruly brats acting like monkeys in the stinking jungle. It is called common courtesy to keep your child in line so other people can enjoy their meals. Just because you pay for a meal in a PUBLIC PLACE does not give you the right to let your kids scream and holler at will. Other people payed for the same privilege as you did to eat at that restaurant, so what gives you the right to spoil their evening out. By your post it is obvious that you could give 2 sh!ts about other peoples rights as long as your happy then everyone else can go to hell and kiss your a$$. This is the classic selfish parenting that exists today. I can honestly that my 10 year old has never thrown a tantrum in a restaurant, he has tried on a couple of occasions but a soft stern voice quieted any uprising that he had in mind. Your lack of respect for other people will only be intensified by your child as he grows older. Thanks for contributing to the degradation of American Society. Lets hope that when they are old enough to understand words and phrases that someone in a restaurant does not show the same respect you have for others and use a tirade of profanity in your presence

For beginners you have no idea how my kids act at a restaurant but you do seem to make a lot of ASSumptions. I never said they yell or get out of their seats. Yes my 6 month old gets cranky sometimes and we take him to get some air. I can assure you, however, that the 'adults' that insist on making phone calls during dining-out are contributing more "to the degradation of American Society" than a babbling 6 month old and a very well mannered (for a) 2.5 YO.

If you have a 10 YO who has never talked out loud in public then either he has been abused or has some type of societal disorder, unless with your 'soft stern voice' you are a Clint Eastwood cowboy incarnate.

So if you want a nice evening out without any children present go to a nice restaurant where they don't have a kids menu and crayons. If you choose to go to Friday's, Applebees, Don Pablos, etc., you just going to have to deal with some noise whether it comes from infants or adults. Maybe you can take the battery out of the hearing-aid. :laugh:

You said it yourself "As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants" are your words. That would imply you could not give sh!t about other patrons. You said nothing about a polite 2.5 yr old, a 2.5 can be well mannered in a restaurant. Next time state what you mean.

I will not cap the ASS in assumption, I will just come out and say it, your an ass for saying my child is abused or has a social disorder. We include our child in dinner time conversation and when he was younger we took items that we knew would keep his attention and participated in these items with him.

I said what I said based on what you posted "As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants" Now next time say what you mean and maybe people would or could not take it out of context.

To me 'open game' means I won't rule out an eatery because I have my kids in tow. For you it must mean that you can unleash your offspring in to the aisles.

Show me a 10 YO that has never spoken loud in public and I'll bet the child has some issues.

BTW There is not enough 'stuff' that you could fit into an SUV that would a placate a typical infant for over an hour, surrounded by commotion, without any attention, while everyone around him ate. So enough with the "My kid is the best but everyone else's should be banned from my sight." crap.

I used to be annoyed by children when I was in my early twenties but I have come to realize there is only so much parents can do. Even if you correctly anticipate all tantrums they only way to avoid ALL public outbursts is to become a hermit and stay at home. If I did this how would I teach my children to act in public eateries?

If you need to respond I read your response with interest but I won't respond anymore because 'fighting' over the internet is as asinine as an infant in a 4 star restaurant.

 

[shortylickens]

Love the debate.

As for the original issue: I wish this crusade had been started 10 years ago.
In reference to the cigarette smoke comparison, I find smokers less annoying than kids.
Especially at theaters and restraunts.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sad thing is that 20-30 years ago you would never have to say anything because parents actually parented. You know, back when parents taught their children how to act, taught them discipline, taught them consequences, and had actual expectations from their children. The world really is turning to crap.

Every generation says this.

Whatever....kids are worse today than imaginable and parents just don't put any effort into cotrolling them in public. Perfect example was tonight at the baseball game. The little brat right in front of me would not sit in his seat and would not shut the hell up. I kept having to shift in my seat to see the damn game. He was running around, jumping, making noise....and not once did his parents say anything to him or make any attempt to control him. I wanted to pick him up and throw his ass over the railing. This would not have happened 30 years ago. Parents still did their job back then instead of blaming all their kid's behavioral problems on ADHD and keeping their kids drugged up so they don't have to take any responsibility for how bad their children are turning out......remember....junior has a condition. :roll:

It was a baseball game not an opera. If you had that big of an issue you should have asked his parents to control the child or change his seat so as to not obstruct your view.

As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants. Unless my dinner is over $50/person I am talking my kids because I don't care what some uptight geezer considers rude, and I don't want to eat at home all the time.

Besides I can't simulate the same environment to teach my kids how to behave in a public place so we use live places. If you notice kids will often act in accord to their surroundings.

This is just freakin crazy, when I sit down in a restaurant, I want hear the conversation at a normal decibel. Not your unruly brats acting like monkeys in the stinking jungle. It is called common courtesy to keep your child in line so other people can enjoy their meals. Just because you pay for a meal in a PUBLIC PLACE does not give you the right to let your kids scream and holler at will. Other people payed for the same privilege as you did to eat at that restaurant, so what gives you the right to spoil their evening out. By your post it is obvious that you could give 2 sh!ts about other peoples rights as long as your happy then everyone else can go to hell and kiss your a$$. This is the classic selfish parenting that exists today. I can honestly that my 10 year old has never thrown a tantrum in a restaurant, he has tried on a couple of occasions but a soft stern voice quieted any uprising that he had in mind. Your lack of respect for other people will only be intensified by your child as he grows older. Thanks for contributing to the degradation of American Society. Lets hope that when they are old enough to understand words and phrases that someone in a restaurant does not show the same respect you have for others and use a tirade of profanity in your presence

For beginners you have no idea how my kids act at a restaurant but you do seem to make a lot of ASSumptions. I never said they yell or get out of their seats. Yes my 6 month old gets cranky sometimes and we take him to get some air. I can assure you, however, that the 'adults' that insist on making phone calls during dining-out are contributing more "to the degradation of American Society" than a babbling 6 month old and a very well mannered (for a) 2.5 YO.

If you have a 10 YO who has never talked out loud in public then either he has been abused or has some type of societal disorder, unless with your 'soft stern voice' you are a Clint Eastwood cowboy incarnate.

So if you want a nice evening out without any children present go to a nice restaurant where they don't have a kids menu and crayons. If you choose to go to Friday's, Applebees, Don Pablos, etc., you just going to have to deal with some noise whether it comes from infants or adults. Maybe you can take the battery out of the hearing-aid. :laugh:

You said it yourself "As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants" are your words. That would imply you could not give sh!t about other patrons. You said nothing about a polite 2.5 yr old, a 2.5 can be well mannered in a restaurant. Next time state what you mean.

I will not cap the ASS in assumption, I will just come out and say it, your an ass for saying my child is abused or has a social disorder. We include our child in dinner time conversation and when he was younger we took items that we knew would keep his attention and participated in these items with him.

I said what I said based on what you posted "As for me, any chain restaurant is open game for me and my 2 infants" Now next time say what you mean and maybe people would or could not take it out of context.

To me 'open game' means I won't rule out an eatery because I have my kids in tow. For you it must mean that you can unleash your offspring in to the aisles.

Show me a 10 YO that has never spoken loud in public and I'll bet the child has some issues.

BTW There is not enough 'stuff' that you could fit into an SUV that would a placate a typical infant for over an hour, surrounded by commotion, without any attention, while everyone around him ate. So enough with the "My kid is the best but everyone else's should be banned from my sight." crap.

I used to be annoyed by children when I was in my early twenties but I have come to realize there is only so much parents can do. Even if you correctly anticipate all tantrums they only way to avoid ALL public outbursts is to become a hermit and stay at home. If I did this how would I teach my children to act in public eateries?

If you need to respond I read your response with interest but I won't respond anymore because 'fighting' over the internet is as asinine as an infant in a 4 star restaurant.

because 'fighting' over the internet is as asinine as an infant in a 4 star restaurant

Agreed Its getting out of hand

 

[Vegitto]

Well, I was raised (and still am) the old way. First time it's a warning, the second time it's 'SMACK!'. And I can honestly say that I'm pretty disciplined and all. Also, I intend to raise my own kids the same way I was raised, seeing how it actually works and all..

 

[lokiju]

Just smack the kid and tell them to shut up!

That's all that's needed IMO.

 

[Fritzo]

In other news, AIDS is still killing millions of people worldwide.