No country for old men!

[RaistlinZ]

Interesting parallel ? Moss pays money for a coat as he crosses into Mexico; Chigurh pays the kids money for a shirt after his accident. What is meant by that? Cannot be a coincidence.

Yeah, I noticed that as well although I wasn't sure what to make of it. Maybe it symbolizes both attempting to cover up something in themselves? At the time they paid for the jacket/shirt both men happened to be badly injured and bleeding. Does that have any relevance? Interesting to think about though.


Scene with the Sheriff and Death at the same hotel room at the same time but the Sheriff does not see Death. This scene is vital ? it solidifies the allegory. The Sheriff enters the room but does not see Death and so he does not die. Death sees the sheriff but chooses not to kill him because he?s not seen in return. This scene is the ?supernatural? scene which signals that we?ve watching an allegory, that what we?ve been watching is more than it appears.

I thought in this scene the two men kind of see each other's reflections in the busted out lock hole? I thought that's why the sheriff paused and waited so long before entering the room. Did he know Death was waiting for him and chose to enter anyway instead of turn and flee? Would this be another allegory of free will in a way?

I might need to go back and watch this movie again.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: kindest
"NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is an ALLEGORY.

Whoa. *head explodes*

 

[krunchykrome]

I'm not buying into the hype like of lot of other's here. It was a decent movie, but nothing spectacular, and the ending was bad.

 

[seti920]

At best, it was an art movie publicized as mainstream.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: kindest
Scene with the Sheriff and Death at the same hotel room at the same time but the Sheriff does not see Death. This scene is vital ? it solidifies the allegory. The Sheriff enters the room but does not see Death and so he does not die. Death sees the sheriff but chooses not to kill him because he?s not seen in return. This scene is the ?supernatural? scene which signals that we?ve watching an allegory, that what we?ve been watching is more than it appears.

Another part of this scene where the sheriff goes into the hotel bathroom and looks around shows the locked window in the bathroom for a couple of seconds. I didn't know why they did this until I started thinking about the scene along these lines. They were "proving" that Anton had not escaped via the only other possible exit and therefore had somehow vanished.

I thought that perhaps the door had swung open to conceal Anton and he had slipped out while the sheriff was in the bathroom, but I don't know now that I think about it... They only show the door opening for a split second, but I don't think there was anyone standing there behind it when TLJ entered the room.

Where did he go, if not out the bathroom window, and not from behind the door? That they could slip a bit of the supernatural into the movie so innocuously that the viewer might not even notice it is an interesting thought indeed.

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I'm not buying into the hype like of lot of other's here. It was a decent movie, but nothing spectacular, and the ending was bad.

The hype? Lol wtf
Apparently you need to stick to movies like 300, as little thinking as possible.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: antyler

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Air pressured device bad ass. I don't how he tracked the other guy so well though, that device diden't have a huge range.

There was a tracking beacon in the money briefcase i believe.

But, he had found it and removed it long before he was killed.


I'm sorry, but I found this movie to be lacking on a few levels. Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie, but it could have been better.

The guys that questioned his mother in law killed him. Not someone using the tracking device.

 

[Kaolccips]

He was killed by Mexican mafia type dudes, the same guys who hired Anton to get the money. Not Anton. Though he would have killed him if he got to him first.

Anyways I'm watching this movie again right now.. It's still just as good the 2nd time around and I'm noticing more thing.. as usually happens with movies.

I'm thinking about checking out the book at the library. Has anyone read it? Was it much better than the movie? Cause I'd like to fill in all the lose ends but I'm not looking for it to completely screw the movie up for me since most movies are off from the book.. though I heard this movie goes with the book very well.. is that true? (Brief answers will do.. not looking to ruin the book for me. So please don't spoil anything big.)

Edit: Wtf does Llewellen put ducttape on the butt of his shotgun for?

 

[amoeba]

With regards to the buying of the shirts. Notice the difference in the two scenes. Chigurh trys to give the two kids money but the two kids say something like "you're injured mister, take it". Its only after Chigurh insist does the kids take the money. Meanwhile when Llewellyn tries to buy the jacket from the group of men, they insist on an outrageous price of $500. I'm not sure if the movie is implying that the kids in the 2nd scene grow up to be like the men in the first scene after their encounter with Chigurh.

 

[edro]

It's a good thing I watched it on DVD, so I could rewind the last scene.
If I had ignored the last boring story in a movie theater, I would be pissed.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
He was killed by Mexican mafia type dudes, the same guys who hired Anton to get the money. Not Anton. Though he would have killed him if he got to him first.

Anyways I'm watching this movie again right now.. It's still just as good the 2nd time around and I'm noticing more thing.. as usually happens with movies.

I'm thinking about checking out the book at the library. Has anyone read it? Was it much better than the movie? Cause I'd like to fill in all the lose ends but I'm not looking for it to completely screw the movie up for me since most movies are off from the book.. though I heard this movie goes with the book very well.. is that true? (Brief answers will do.. not looking to ruin the book for me. So please don't spoil anything big.)

I haven't read this one, but I've read four or five of McCarthy's others and he is without a doubt one of the greatest authors of the 20th century. A friend read this one and said that it was on par with the others.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
This movie was the most boring, overrated piece of garbage I've seen in a while.

18-1 was overrated too..

nah.....

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: amoeba
With regards to the buying of the shirts. Notice the difference in the two scenes. Chigurh trys to give the two kids money but the two kids say something like "you're injured mister, take it". Its only after Chigurh insist does the kids take the money. Meanwhile when Llewellyn tries to buy the jacket from the group of men, they insist on an outrageous price of $500. I'm not sure if the movie is implying that the kids in the 2nd scene grow up to be like the men in the first scene after their encounter with Chigurh.

In my opinion it's showing the effect the world has on people. The kids were young, good hearted. But as they get older and grow up in this country, they end up charging 500$ to a hurt man. It's showing that this world (or country) is going to hell basically (ie: Sheriffs view).

 

[yowolabi]

I too thought the movie was way overrated until I read:


http://rogerebert.suntimes.com...S/607994909/-1/letters

I watched it again, and liked it a lot better the second time. I usually am able to see the subtext in movies, but I approached this one at first as nothing but an action movie, with no underlying depth. In that context, it's good, but nothing special.

 

[Kaolccips]

So.. what is it about the building missing a floor again? I'm guessing it will just explain it in the book.. doesn't explain much in the movie.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: amoeba
With regards to the buying of the shirts. Notice the difference in the two scenes. Chigurh trys to give the two kids money but the two kids say something like "you're injured mister, take it". Its only after Chigurh insist does the kids take the money. Meanwhile when Llewellyn tries to buy the jacket from the group of men, they insist on an outrageous price of $500. I'm not sure if the movie is implying that the kids in the 2nd scene grow up to be like the men in the first scene after their encounter with Chigurh.

In my opinion it's showing the effect the world has on people. The kids were young, good hearted. But as they get older and grow up in this country, they end up charging 500$ to a hurt man. It's showing that this world (or country) is going to hell basically (ie: Sheriffs view).

yeah, many people seem to miss the fact that the film is about tommy Lee Jone's character, and the others are more or less....bit players.

I initially despised the ending sequence with his brother; but after watching it a second time, I absolutely love it.

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: amoeba
With regards to the buying of the shirts. Notice the difference in the two scenes. Chigurh trys to give the two kids money but the two kids say something like "you're injured mister, take it". Its only after Chigurh insist does the kids take the money. Meanwhile when Llewellyn tries to buy the jacket from the group of men, they insist on an outrageous price of $500. I'm not sure if the movie is implying that the kids in the 2nd scene grow up to be like the men in the first scene after their encounter with Chigurh.

In my opinion it's showing the effect the world has on people. The kids were young, good hearted. But as they get older and grow up in this country, they end up charging 500$ to a hurt man. It's showing that this world (or country) is going to hell basically (ie: Sheriffs view).

yeah, many people seem to miss the fact that the film is about tommy Lee Jone's character, and the others are more or less....bit players.

I initially despised the ending sequence with his brother; but after watching it a second time, I absolutely love it.

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

I guess that was the point. That often in life, things don't play out like we expect it to if it were a film or book. Random things happen that we can't explain. It definitely irked me when I first saw it but now that I think about it, the audiences confusion with how Llewlyn dies and the randomness of it all mirrors the Sheriffs confusion regarding the random violence of the world.

 

[UpGrD]

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

I think that Llewelyn's death represents mans Achilles heal, woman. He told his wife the leave her mother at home. She did not and that led to the old bat telling the Mexican where to find him.

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: amoeba
With regards to the buying of the shirts. Notice the difference in the two scenes. Chigurh trys to give the two kids money but the two kids say something like "you're injured mister, take it". Its only after Chigurh insist does the kids take the money. Meanwhile when Llewellyn tries to buy the jacket from the group of men, they insist on an outrageous price of $500. I'm not sure if the movie is implying that the kids in the 2nd scene grow up to be like the men in the first scene after their encounter with Chigurh.

In my opinion it's showing the effect the world has on people. The kids were young, good hearted. But as they get older and grow up in this country, they end up charging 500$ to a hurt man. It's showing that this world (or country) is going to hell basically (ie: Sheriffs view).

yeah, many people seem to miss the fact that the film is about tommy Lee Jone's character, and the others are more or less....bit players.

I initially despised the ending sequence with his brother; but after watching it a second time, I absolutely love it.

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

I agree.. Why was he in the pool? Did they throw him in the pool? Or was he on the other side drinking beer with the girl and got shot and just fell in? If he was killed while probably going to commit adultery then I'd like to know.

Well I got the book from my library so hopefully it will fill in a lot that the movie didn't. It's a small book at only 309 pages so it shouldn't take too long. I'll be sure to come back to this thread in fill in the loose ends.

Personally I like how he just.. died.. no fight, no fuss. It was his time, and bam, its done, hes gone. Goes to show how quick things can turn so unexpectedly. Though I'd still like to know if he was drinking with that girl.. which probably would have led to him being unfaithful.. Cause I don't understand why he was in the pool.

Originally posted by: UpGrD

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

I think that Llewelyn's death represents mans Achilles heal, woman. He told his wife the leave her mother at home. She did not and that led to the old bat telling the Mexican where to find him.

Hah so true. Damn women >_< First Eve condemned the whole human species.. now Llewelyn.. Must be the boobs.

 

[scott916]

I'm currently reading the book, it's been fairly consistent so far. I'm about 150 pages in where Chigurh finds Llewelyn at the hotel and kills the clerk to get to him. There are quite a few differences in that part compared to the rest of the novel so far, I'll let you guys know if there's anything glaring.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: amoeba
With regards to the buying of the shirts. Notice the difference in the two scenes. Chigurh trys to give the two kids money but the two kids say something like "you're injured mister, take it". Its only after Chigurh insist does the kids take the money. Meanwhile when Llewellyn tries to buy the jacket from the group of men, they insist on an outrageous price of $500. I'm not sure if the movie is implying that the kids in the 2nd scene grow up to be like the men in the first scene after their encounter with Chigurh.

In my opinion it's showing the effect the world has on people. The kids were young, good hearted. But as they get older and grow up in this country, they end up charging 500$ to a hurt man. It's showing that this world (or country) is going to hell basically (ie: Sheriffs view).

yeah, many people seem to miss the fact that the film is about tommy Lee Jone's character, and the others are more or less....bit players.

I initially despised the ending sequence with his brother; but after watching it a second time, I absolutely love it.

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

I agree.. Why was he in the pool? Did they throw him in the pool? Or was he on the other side drinking beer with the girl and got shot and just fell in? If he was killed while probably going to commit adultery then I'd like to know.

Well I got the book from my library so hopefully it will fill in a lot that the movie didn't. It's a small book at only 309 pages so it shouldn't take too long. I'll be sure to come back to this thread in fill in the loose ends.

Personally I like how he just.. died.. no fight, no fuss. It was his time, and bam, its done, hes gone. Goes to show how quick things can turn so unexpectedly. Though I'd still like to know if he was drinking with that girl.. which probably would have led to him being unfaithful.. Cause I don't understand why he was in the pool.

Originally posted by: UpGrD

i still think Llewelyn's character got a raw deal. A lot of plot time devoted to his resourcefulness; he really comes out as a smart and effective survivor. To be done away by some random Mexican gangsters rolling up in a loud-ass Jeep is unbelievable...at least be decent enough to show us how this happened...

I think that Llewelyn's death represents mans Achilles heal, woman. He told his wife the leave her mother at home. She did not and that led to the old bat telling the Mexican where to find him.

Hah so true. Damn women >_< First Eve condemned the whole human species.. now Llewelyn.. Must be the boobs.

He was in the hotel room, just at the door. That ho he was flirting with was found in the pool.

And it has nothing to do with the "weakness" of women. More than anything, the problem came when he refused Cigurgh's deal. He offered to let Llewelyn's wife live if he returned the cash. As Cigurgh well knew (and we did by this point), this was indeed the best deal he would get (I was ticked that Llewelyn got capped by the peanut gallery, and not Cigurgh).

Llewelyn was an overall good guy (he picks up his shells when hunting, "fixes to do something dumber'n hell but he's going to do it anyway"--bringing the water, essentially saves the cab driver's life by paying him to take him away from the hotel...). But, in the end, one selfish decision costs his wife her life. I think it's pretty clear at the end that she does get killed, even though we never see it.

 

[Kaolccips]

Yeah.. I didn't honestly mean that I was just playing..

I know he was actually a good person, flaws like any other human sure, but generally good. They had enough things in the movie to show he was a good guy. I'm sure he actually thought he could beat Cigurgh and save his wife as well.. maybe because he shot him and seen that he can actually be hurt. I guess that made him a little bit cocky. I'm sure the wife died as well.. Though good for her for finally getting under his skin at the end and refusing to play by his rules. You could tell by the look on his face that bothered him. She was probably the first that ever said no.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
Yeah.. I didn't honestly mean that I was just playing..

I know he was actually a good person, flaws like any other human sure, but generally good. They had enough things in the movie to show he was a good guy. I'm sure he actually thought he could beat Cigurgh and save his wife as well.. maybe because he shot him and seen that he can actually be hurt. I guess that made him a little bit cocky. I'm sure the wife died as well.. Though good for her for finally getting under his skin at the end and refusing to play by his rules. You could tell by the look on his face that bothered him. She was probably the first that ever said no.

did you know that actress is Irish, and has an incredibly thick accent? crazy, eh?

 

[OCNewbie]

For me, the best part of this movie, by far, was how well Javier played the Anton character. Amazingly believable performance. But yeah... the ending was fairly disappointing IMO.

 

[Kaolccips]

Yeah by far Anton was the best part of the whole movie. Best bad guy in a movie I've seen in a long time.


I'm just reading the book. I'm not very far, only about 50 pages.. and I'm already getting very very annoyed by the way the author writes. Wtf is up with him using almost 10 ands in 1 sentence? Here is an example:

"Then he picked up his airtank and the stungun and walked out the door and got into the deputy's car and started the engine and backed around and pulled out and headed up the road."

It wouldn't be so bad except that I've ready many sentences like this in every chapter so far. Why the hell does he write like this so damn often? I mean, from what I understand, he's supposedly a very very good writer. So I know he is writing this way for a reason.. maybe to show how effortlessly and without thinking the characters are doing things or something, like they've done it many times.. but god damn he uses it too often. It's getting annoying as hell.