No way Clawhammer under $300.

[Tharkun]

I heard from some very reliable sources that the Clawhammer would debut at 250-275. But I see that the latest AMD chip (2700+) is around $350. So how can the more advanced Clawhammer be 100 dollars less when it comes out? And the 2700 has already been out for a while. Maybe I was told inaccurate information? But I just can't see any way how the Clawhammer would come out at less then 300 bucks.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Tharkun
I heard from some very reliable sources that the Clawhammer would debut at 250-275. But I see that the latest AMD chip (2700+) is around $350. So how can the more advanced Clawhammer be 100 dollars less when it comes out? And the 2700 has already been out for a while. Maybe I was told inaccurate information? But I just can't see any way how the Clawhammer would come out at less then 300 bucks.

Care to share the reliable source??

 

[CrazySaint]

I honestly would be surprised at anything less than $400, with $5-700 not being out of the question, IMO. AMD has spent enormous amounts of money on this chip and they need to make it back.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Tharkun
I heard from some very reliable sources that the Clawhammer would debut at 250-275. But I see that the latest AMD chip (2700+) is around $350. So how can the more advanced Clawhammer be 100 dollars less when it comes out? And the 2700 has already been out for a while. Maybe I was told inaccurate information? But I just can't see any way how the Clawhammer would come out at less then 300 bucks.

Remember, it's all about supply and demand. Because there are very few XP2700 processors in the market, retailers can charge basically what they want. Once the supply gets up to speed in the next month or so, prices will start to drop. However, like some of the other posts have indicated, the Clawhammer will probably be released at higher pricing levels. Please, do share your source, though. Thanks!

 

[dullard]

I'd love to know your source. Here is my clawhammer esitmate and reasons for it (middle of the thread). As some proof of those estimates look at Anandtech's latest article:
"AMD admitted that the CPU would come with a premium ... AMD did mention that Athlon 64 chip prices would be competitive with Pentium 4s; indicating that the Athlon 64 would compete with the higher end P4s on price. On the system side, AMD expected Athlon 64 systems to be selling for $1600 - $2300 at launch"

The lowest prices for the higher end P4s are $385 for the 2.8 GHz and $699 for the 3.06 GHz at pricewatch.com. So that range is quite large. Can we narrow it down at all? Possibly, by looking at those system prices. Lets look at the most high end Dell home computer with typical components:

3.06 GHz P4, 512 MB PC1066 RDRAM, 120 GB HD
17" monitor, GeForce4 MX
Win XP home, 1 year Warranty
speakers, keyboard, mouse, etc.
$1800.

This is smack dab in the middle of AMD's $1600 - $2300 price range. So with maybe decreasing the memory a bit, you'd hit $1600 and by putting in a top of the line video card/monitor you'd hit $2300. All this is with the $699 P4 chip. Using any cheaper P4 and you'd be well under the $1600-$2300 price range. Thus it looks like the lauch will be towards the higher end of the $385-$699 price range. I still say $500s (most likely $599) at the start.

 

[fkloster]

Newegg is selling the 2800+ for over $400 last Friday...

 

[AluminumStudios]

Whatever the price it is going to be less than a 400 Mhz UltraSparcII for my dumb Sun E250 at work which costs like $2,000!!!!!

Even at $700 it will smash the 64 bit price barrier which is what I"m looking forward to. I can't get work to buy a $2,000 slow as crap UltraSparc for my users who want to do protien sequence analysis. However I could probably get them to buy a beefy Hammer/Opteron PC that will do the job better than a more costly Sun. If I have followed things correctly, that is largly AMD's target with their 64 bit chips (I've lost track of their names ...)

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: AluminumStudios
Whatever the price it is going to be less than a 400 Mhz UltraSparcII for my dumb Sun E250 at work which costs like $2,000!!!!!

Even at $700 it will smash the 64 bit price barrier which is what I"m looking forward to. I can't get work to buy a $2,000 slow as crap UltraSparc for my users who want to do protien sequence analysis. However I could probably get them to buy a beefy Hammer/Opteron PC that will do the job better than a more costly Sun. If I have followed things correctly, that is largly AMD's target with their 64 bit chips (I've lost track of their names ...)

Thats where Intel has tried to set the mark with their Xeons. It wasnt successful more because the existing software was all Sun, HP, or whatever, and people didnt feel like changing.

 

[AluminumStudios]

The reasons Xeon's can't cut it for my users at work is because they want to be able to given individual process more than 2 gigs of RAM. Under certain OS's x86 can allocate 3 gigs of RAM to a given process at best.

Xeons have extensions that allow them to address more than 4 gigs, but it can't all be allocated at once and it's slow as heck since the Xeons actually copy data from upper memory into a window below 4 gigs before actually being able to use it.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: AluminumStudios
Xeons have extensions that allow them to address more than 4 gigs, but it can't all be allocated at once and it's slow as heck since the Xeons actually copy data from upper memory into a window below 4 gigs before actually being able to use it.

I'd think that protein folding wouldn't have much trouble from this. I'd have thought the data could be placed spacially in memory (that the atoms on one side of the protein have very little communication with the atoms on the complete opposite side). Or even have one thread for one half of the protein and another thread for the other half. Then there is little cross talk in the memory. Of course, I've never done protein folding calculations myself. The sad thing with the Hammers is that you'll still need a non-Windows OS to get around that limitation since Microsoft likely won't have an OS out for quite some time after their release. Of course you are already used to Linux, so that won't be too much of a jump for you.

What size of protein are you working on. I was thinking it would take about 1 GB for each 10,000 nt bases. Is that a reasonable estimate?

 

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: Tharkun
I heard from some very reliable sources that the Clawhammer would debut at 250-275. But I see that the latest AMD chip (2700+) is around $350. So how can the more advanced Clawhammer be 100 dollars less when it comes out? And the 2700 has already been out for a while. Maybe I was told inaccurate information? But I just can't see any way how the Clawhammer would come out at less then 300 bucks.

I'm guessing it will debut at $700 with the Opteron at $2000.

 

[element]

At least the mobos should be cheaper seeing as the north bridge will be on die.

 

[johndoe52]

Originally posted by: element®
At least the mobos should be cheaper seeing as the north bridge will be on die.

That's where a good portion of our savings will be. spend a little extra on a processor and the motherboards for it are cheap. Probably see alot of people buy one hammer for their system and add a second after the prices drop a bit.