NORTHWOOD benchmarks!

[FrustratedUser]

I am just getting tired of all these 'AMD vs. Intel' threads. I don't think any processor is 'better' than the other.
Just make a decision. If it is based on price/performance or something else is up to each and everyone.
Got the money? Go Intel.
Wan't an AMD? Buy it
Transmeta? Why not for a laptop.
Cyrix (VIA)? Not for gaming, but office work - why not if the price is right

The P4 was obviously designed with a 'weaker' FPU and the way to make up for it is MHz. AMD will go .13micron and boost MHz. So what! The race is on. Hopefully we will benefit from the battle.

 

[GTaudiophile]

<< The race is on. Hopefully we will benefit from the battle. >>



That's the thing. You'd think that Intel would lower prices on their 2.0Ghz P4, but it still costs $500! Why aren't they responding to competition? I guess they don't have to.

Edit: Count me in as waiting to buy a Pentium 4 2.0A as soon as it's out!

 

[Bluga]

<< I still think its sad that Intel has a 600mhz clock speed advantage and can't do no better then that. They do less work per mhz so they can just ramp up the mhz to rip off the dumb people thinking that more mhz = more performance for 3 times the price. Even with twice the L2 cache the P4 is still not that impressive. >>

 

[Diable]

Apoppin got it right, some of us here the extra performance is enough to justify the price. I know when the 2.2Ghz Northwoods are released one is taking up residence in my P4T-E and my current 1.8GHz goes in either a P4S333 or P4B266(damn it I can't decide)in another rig I'm building.

 

[Novgrod]

Let's not forget that we're comparing a number of products that can't yet be purchased (unless your pockets are fantastically deep). We ought to debate between the not-yet-released products of more than one company, because as of the moment, my understanding is that both the performance and the price/performance title go to the palomino.

I can't imagine that either company will be making some startling move to destroy its opponent in the near future. If some company had a card up its sleve, it's taken way too long to play it. Personally, I think everybody here should keep going by economic laws and opt for their own best bundle. Then again, I suppose that buyers are supposed to be rational, which isn't always the case In any case I'm looking forward to the competition.

Extra bonus points to the person who can name the Soviet economist who said that the problems of socialism were outweighed by the money capitalist countries spend on advertising. He's slipped my mind.

 

[fkloster]

<< ... because as of the moment, my understanding is that both the performance and the price/performance title go to the palomino. >>



Oh? Palamino? Hmmmm, where might those preliminary benchmarks be hiding?

 

[Yoshi64]

I think the only Intel CPU that has a quite good price/performace ratio is the Celeron 1200 (Tualatin core, 0.13um). They overclock well (1.5G is no problem, and many get higher), and they really have nothing to do with celeron since they have 256 kb cache. The only thing limiting them is 100 Mhz FSB, which you can overcome by Oc:ing.
I recieve one plus a Abit ST6 in a few days.

The only reason I'm not going down the AMD route is that I don't want to buy DDR-memory right now (I have 384 Mb SDRAM), and getting a KT133A-mobo just doesn't feel right. But if I wouldn't have had the SDRAM, I would definately get a low end Athlon XP (1500+ or 1600+).

The point is that even the most attractive Intel CPU price/performance wise, doesn't even stand a chance against AMDs offerings.

Before you start flaming me: I have owned 3 Intel systems in a row, with the C2-1200 being the fourth.

 

[XWolfsraider]

I cannot wait!!!!


I have built only 6 computers but none for me lol

I have only built 1 AMD all the rest were intel (info only not flaming)

I want the best I can afford and for me thats intel although i also like amd.


But I want MY DREAM MACHINE TO BE:


Intel p-4 2.53
mother board tbd
at least 512 mb rdram 1066
ati radeon 8500 all in one wonder(REMOTE)
sb audigy
scsi 15000 rpm 36 gig hd
etc lol


MY NEXT BIRTHDAY PRESENT TO MYSELF

 

[damocles]

Can we please get passed the IPC/ MHz myth for once and for all. Its all very nice to look at in theoretical terms but it isn't of importance in real world terms

All that counts is

a) Performance
b) Price/Performance

If this article is indicative of what Northwood can do, then it is very encouraging. Intel will have a processor that, under many situations, can equal or top an equivalently ranked single AMD processor. It is also a processor that will hold a great deal of interest for overclockers I know that O/C isn't guaranteed and isn't for everyone- but if the Northwoods are going to hit 2.53Ghz levels on 133MHz FSB Rambus systems and 333MHz SiS 645 DDR platforms, then that is big news to the overclockers community

Price/performance is the killer for most people/ I wont be considering one for personal use, simply because I currently don't need the extra speed and also I think the price is currently too high. However for some people the price may be worth it, if the performance differential could be shown as having some real world benefits in productivity- then the processor may be a viable option for many people (especially as AMD isn't currently very well represented in the Corporate environment)

 

[GTaudiophile]

Well, I've waited long enough to upgrade from my PII-450. The wait ends in January:

Antec SX1040 case w/ 400w Antec PS
Gigabyte P4 Titan P4 DDR (GA-8IRXP) or MSI 845 Ultra
Intel Pentium 4 2.0A Northwood
1 x Crucial 512MB PC2100 DDR DIMM
LeadTek GeForce3 Ti200 TDH
SoundBlaster Audigy Mp3+
Maxtor DX740 40GB 7200rpm ATA133
(Will use current Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 27.2GB 7200rpm ATA66 as well)
Toshiba SD-M1612 16x DVD-ROM
(Will use current Plextor 16/10/40A as well)
3Com 905C-TXM NIC (if I get the MSI board)
Hauppauge WinTV-Radio
Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0

OS: WinXP Pro

 

[JackBurton]

<< Honorary Spot for Wingznut Pez.
We'll miss you around AT
>>


OK, this is OT but I have to ask...What happened to Wingznut Pez?

 

[oldfart]

GTaudiophile, have you checked RDRAM prices lately? You can go i850/RDRAM for not much more than a DDR setup. Every review I've seen shows this as the fastest setup.

 

[NFS4]

Since price doesn't seem to be a factor for SOME of you, when does price ACTUALLY become a factor for you? I mean, what for you justifies paying multiple amounts of money (2.0x - 2.7x ) on a new processor compared to one that is about 5-7% slower in some case and just as fast or faster in others. I know that the difference would be there in low resolution gaming (i.e. 640x480 in Quake III), but nobody plays at that resolution...more like 1280x1024 and higher with GF2 - GF3 class video cards. And the difference would show in SysMark, Sandra, and 3DMark 2001; but who messes around with synthetic benches all day (besides reviewers). I'm just trying to figure out the logic here

Then again, we are still talking about unreleased products. By the time Intel comes out with the Northwood, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Athlon XP 2000+, not that it would make all that much difference.

I'm not trying to belittle NE1, I'm just trying to see the reasoning behind paying so much more money.

For comparison:

(2) Athlon XP 1900+ === $492
(1) Tyan Tiger MP === $194

Total === $686


(1) 2.2GHz Northwood === $670 (and that's a low estimate)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Snoop]

<< I'm not trying to belittle NE1, I'm just trying to see the reasoning behind paying so much more money. >>


Ego.
Machismo.
Stupidity?

 

[andreasl]

Oh come on NFS4. How much money are you not paying for those PDA's and all that other odd hardware stuff?

 

[Duvie]

Performance outweighs cost????? To all p4 users that is a dumb statement...retake any economy classes please...

Most of you "got to be the first" idiots never get much performance advantage anyways cause you don't wait for it to drop like it always does in about 1-1/2 to 2 months. pay a 270% price increase for 20percent performance increase over amd product is absurd...it will probably be only 15% when the 2000+ xp is released....

Who cares how fast Q3 scores are...isnt it f^ckinf fast enough now???? It doesn't make much difference any more....

I buy most things 3-4 months behind...I don't care...I wait for good reviews...do my homework...never have any hardware problems...and pay generally 1/3 less then you do....I make over a 100 grand so I can afford pretty much any system out there. (not braggin') My wife told me to get the best system for xmas if I wanted. I said no...I am fine and I will wait for the "hammer" to drop soon.

J/k and by the way my penis is still bigger then yours.... j/k

 

[damocles]

You talk about economics' and your high paying job and yet you see the tangible benefits only in terms of Q3 scores?

In a productive workplace there are a lot of factors and costs other than just capital outlay and asset performance. There are many situations where a small performance and productivity gain would outweigh a greater initial purchase cost. Especially when you can claim back on some of the costs and depreciation.

For a lot of users the extra cost of going to a Northwood, as a single solution, may have real tangible benefits over a single AMD solution-if it is faster ( this is only one set of benchmarks from a site I am not familiar with, so I am taking it all with a grain of salt)

The MPX vs Xeon debate is one that would be less justifiable as you would be paying more for a lower performing option

 

[fkloster]

<< Promise us a V6...Give us a V6, but don't put the spark plugs in the 5th and 6th cylinders. Then tell us we can add a special additive (SSE2) that will make it supercharged...Intel's P4 >>



hehe...

Promise us a 4 banger...Give us a 4 banger, but to cut corners and save money only give us one motor mount. Then rev it higher than it should prolly go and put in a pretend 'heat warning' gauge so we feel better about it...Amd's Athlon XP

People wonder why Intel gets so much for their chips...

 

[Duvie]

< You talk about economics' and your high paying job and yet you see the tangible benefits only in terms of Q3 scores? >

Read the whole thread before you speak...I refer to that cause someone above mentions it like most all p4/intel users seem to harp on....It is more of a joke on them....Gamers and their need to always have the fastest speed available....


As for tasks used by businesses I agree....Can you imagine the cost of 2 of those beast in a system???? 1400+ just for cpus is enough to get 2 mpx boards setup with dual mp1900+....other hardware aside which would be comparable in cost that is significant...


Economy!!!! Small businesses which make up a big part in the economy and rapidly growing need better return on their money plus to keep capital expenditures down to a minimum to get through these rather uncertain times....

 

[Duvie]

< Promise us a 4 banger...Give us a 4 banger, but to cut corners and save money only give us one motor mount. Then rev it higher than it should prolly go and put in a pretend 'heat warning' gauge so we feel better about it...Amd's Athlon XP >

That is pretty lame....may want to edit...

What does that say about the current p4 it regularly kicks all over the place...Little embarrasing huh?????

 

[Rectalfier]

Northwood looks like a good chip, but it is still too expensive for me. AMD could raise their PR rating when they move to the 166mhz bus, that will give them a nice performance jump. For now, AMD's still my sweetheart.

 

[WarCon]

I agree with Duvie about waiting for bugs/quality to be ironed out. If the mobo and processor companies were paying me to troubleshoot their equipment, I would buy the newest stuff out too. But since they don't, I spend my dollars very frugally now. (It doesn't help that I am on a tight budget either, but I think waiting for "proof of life" is smart business).

 

[Diable]

NFS4, to me price becomes a factor only when the higher priced item performs substantially less then the lower priced item, a good example of that is a Xeon vs a MP. If the performance of the two are about equal, like a P4 and a XP at higher resolution in games then it becomes Coke vs Pepsi, Chevy vs Ford or Yankees vs Mets.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

I prefer this Athlon analogy:

Promise is a V6, give us a kicking V6 then subcontract the transmission to a company that doesn't really care. End result, you got a kicking engine with a transmission that breaks down every 100 miles and drivers that wish their car would be as reliable as the V6 with 2 spark plugs missing.

Oh yeah, and 2 years later, realize that your V6 won't be able to rev as high as the competitions so change the tachometer to a performance+ equivalent.

-Ice

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

<< Well, I for one have rejected buying another AMD CPU... I'm not against AMD, I'm against VIA... I'm sickand tired of dealing with one issue after another.... Well, there is this fix for this, and this fix for that... and I can't put more than 1 stick of RAM in without crashing, and D3D issues, and Blah Blah Blah... the list goes on like this... Intel works, and it works stable... I'm not playing the AMD/VIA headache game anymore... its worth the couple extra hundred dollars to have a system that just freaking works... I'm getting a Northwood, I've been waiting for it to come out... Not sure If I'm doing DDR or RDRam yet... Still don't like Rambus(the company not the tech)...

So, Bring it on.... >>


you know, i've been feeling the exact same way lately.