NOS question...

[Eli]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Ever see an RX7 throw a rod?

Rotary motors don't have rods?

I think that was his point.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

I can understand that.

 

[DivideBYZero]

LOL, production car engine at 40,000RPM=bag of nails.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

Millennium on the road is a hazard

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Ever seen what happens when you take sugar, oxidizer, powdered magnesium and blow it up?

The sugar is the gas. The oxidizer is the N2O. The powdered magnesium is the little bits of car kibble that will be flying everywhere.

- M4H

 

[desertdweller]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: desertdweller

Originally posted by: trez2k3
Yea thats what i thought... I've heard of people blowing heads and stuff at like 9k so 40k couldn't be too good for the engine but what exactly does NOS do? Is it just a richer fuel mixture that increases HP?

The reason people blow the heads off thier engines is because they
don't have the system tuned correctly, or there has been a malfunction
somewhere in the system. The system has to be set up so as to push
more fuel into the chambers when the nitrous is there, otherwise,
the resulting instant lean condition is what causes the engine to come apart.

If your fuel system can't keep up with your nitrous system, your motor
go boom.

Lean makes for a hotter burn, and more power, but too lean will destroy
your engine.


DD

Most of the time what causes a head to come off is either weak head bolts, improperly installed heads, or over revving the engine which causes the rod to stretch, and the piston hits the cylinder head... happens quite frequently on top fuel cars as they cross the finish line.

*EDIT* Hotter does not equal more power... the stoichiometric air/fuel ratio is 14.7:1... that's the most efficient, most complete burn... however, the most power is made closer to 12:1

You're right about the air/fuel ratio, I got myself mixed up on this fine monday morning

As far as blowing the head off, we're talking about kids playing with a typical 4 banger
factory engine. Not having the NO2 setup correctly or having a malfunction can certainly
pop the head loose on one of these engines. Especially considering that some of these
people are using much larger shots than they should be.


DD

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: desertdweller

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: desertdweller

Originally posted by: trez2k3
Yea thats what i thought... I've heard of people blowing heads and stuff at like 9k so 40k couldn't be too good for the engine but what exactly does NOS do? Is it just a richer fuel mixture that increases HP?

The reason people blow the heads off thier engines is because they
don't have the system tuned correctly, or there has been a malfunction
somewhere in the system. The system has to be set up so as to push
more fuel into the chambers when the nitrous is there, otherwise,
the resulting instant lean condition is what causes the engine to come apart.

If your fuel system can't keep up with your nitrous system, your motor
go boom.

Lean makes for a hotter burn, and more power, but too lean will destroy
your engine.


DD

Most of the time what causes a head to come off is either weak head bolts, improperly installed heads, or over revving the engine which causes the rod to stretch, and the piston hits the cylinder head... happens quite frequently on top fuel cars as they cross the finish line.

*EDIT* Hotter does not equal more power... the stoichiometric air/fuel ratio is 14.7:1... that's the most efficient, most complete burn... however, the most power is made closer to 12:1

You're right about the air/fuel ratio, I got myself mixed up on this fine monday morning

As far as blowing the head off, we're talking about kids playing with a typical 4 banger
factory engine. Not having the NO2 setup correctly or having a malfunction can certainly
pop the head loose on one of these engines. Especially considering that some of these
people are using much larger shots than they should be.


DD

It'll blow a head gasket before it blows the head off... they use composit gaskets most of the time... top fuel uses some sort of copper alloy I believe... with I think titanium rings around each cylinder bore.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

lol, it's like in FNF when the eclipse gets shot up and vin diesel is like "NAAAAAWWWZZZZ" and the car explodes. That was the best part of the movie.

Most people put the bottles in the back of the trunk. If a car accident causes damage that far in, the gas tank is hit and you're screwed either way.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

lol, it's like in FNF when the eclipse gets shot up and vin diesel is like "NAAAAAWWWZZZZ" and the car explodes. That was the best part of the movie.

Most people put the bottles in the back of the trunk. If a car accident causes damage that far in, the gas tank is hit and you're screwed either way.

Gas tanks don't explode without sparks... a bottle of N2O will because it's under very high pressure. Like when you put water and dry ice in a plastic bottle and cap it. Only an N2O bottle needs an impact to break the bottle.

 

[slikmunks]

i was thinking, wouldn't it be good then to actually put the n2o bottle in the front seat like they had it in the rx7 in tfaf? it's accessible without getting out of the car, not in the trunk, and in a concealed area where cops won't exactly see it right away when they see your car...

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: slikmunks
i was thinking, wouldn't it be good then to actually put the n2o bottle in the front seat like they had it in the rx7 in tfaf? it's accessible without getting out of the car, not in the trunk, and in a concealed area where cops won't exactly see it right away when they see your car...

My friend hides his where his spare tire used to be.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: slikmunks
i was thinking, wouldn't it be good then to actually put the n2o bottle in the front seat like they had it in the rx7 in tfaf? it's accessible without getting out of the car, not in the trunk, and in a concealed area where cops won't exactly see it right away when they see your car...

It's never safe to put a grenade underneath your testicles.

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: slikmunks
i was thinking, wouldn't it be good then to actually put the n2o bottle in the front seat like they had it in the rx7 in tfaf? it's accessible without getting out of the car, not in the trunk, and in a concealed area where cops won't exactly see it right away when they see your car...

It's never safe to put a grenade underneath your testicles.

but i mean, there's gotta be a better place to put it than in the trunk where it's not accessible... i mean, to open the bottle you'd have to get out of the car, open the bottle, get back in the car, and that seems like a big hassle (ionno, i'm not a nitrous user, never looked into the stuff)... there's gotta be an easier way/location

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: slikmunks

but i mean, there's gotta be a better place to put it than in the trunk where it's not accessible... i mean, to open the bottle you'd have to get out of the car, open the bottle, get back in the car, and that seems like a big hassle (ionno, i'm not a nitrous user, never looked into the stuff)... there's gotta be an easier way/location

n00b

There's this thing called a remote opener.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: slikmunks

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: slikmunks
i was thinking, wouldn't it be good then to actually put the n2o bottle in the front seat like they had it in the rx7 in tfaf? it's accessible without getting out of the car, not in the trunk, and in a concealed area where cops won't exactly see it right away when they see your car...

It's never safe to put a grenade underneath your testicles.

but i mean, there's gotta be a better place to put it than in the trunk where it's not accessible... i mean, to open the bottle you'd have to get out of the car, open the bottle, get back in the car, and that seems like a big hassle (ionno, i'm not a nitrous user, never looked into the stuff)... there's gotta be an easier way/location

It's not meant to be used when you want to pass someone on the expressway... it's meant to be used in race only applications. And because of the nature of a N2O system, it cannot be DOT approved, that's why it's illegal.

*EDIT* Any company that advertises DOT approved N2O bottles is a fraud.

 

[ObiDon]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: slikmunks

but i mean, there's gotta be a better place to put it than in the trunk where it's not accessible... i mean, to open the bottle you'd have to get out of the car, open the bottle, get back in the car, and that seems like a big hassle (ionno, i'm not a nitrous user, never looked into the stuff)... there's gotta be an easier way/location

n00b

There's this thing called a remote opener.

Yeah, I saw it in the movies. It's a button that you push. Then, you instantly go way faster.

Super pursuit mode, KITT!

 

[Jeff7181]

The funniest thing about The Fast and the Furious is after that first race and Vin is sayin something about "not double clutching like you should" ... LOL... I've NEVER met ANYBODY who double clutches with a car... only amateur semi truck driver's who even use the clutch at all to shift =)

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: slikmunks

but i mean, there's gotta be a better place to put it than in the trunk where it's not accessible... i mean, to open the bottle you'd have to get out of the car, open the bottle, get back in the car, and that seems like a big hassle (ionno, i'm not a nitrous user, never looked into the stuff)... there's gotta be an easier way/location

n00b

There's this thing called a remote opener.

d'oh!!!

<---- pwn3d!! hahaha

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
*EDIT* Any company that advertises DOT approved N2O bottles is a fraud.

Yeah, I guess the Caliornia air resource board is a fraud, too. Since they have 4 approved nitrous kits listed on thier website.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

Umm... no. You don't know what you are talking about. All bottles have valves that blow off before they are damaged. Quit watching fast and the furious.

 

[Jeff7181]

BTW slikmunks... are the apex seals on the rotary engines as bad as they say they are? I've never worked with an RX-7 before... but a friend of mine has replaced apex seals in his turbocharged RX-7 6 times in the last 3 years. I've been told they mainly go bad due to overheating... but he's pretty smart about stuff like that... doesn't abuse it either.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

lol, it's like in FNF when the eclipse gets shot up and vin diesel is like "NAAAAAWWWZZZZ" and the car explodes. That was the best part of the movie.

Most people put the bottles in the back of the trunk. If a car accident causes damage that far in, the gas tank is hit and you're screwed either way.

Gas tanks don't explode without sparks... a bottle of N2O will because it's under very high pressure. Like when you put water and dry ice in a plastic bottle and cap it. Only an N2O bottle needs an impact to break the bottle.

Ever heard of a valve?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

Umm... no. You don't know what you are talking about. All bottles have valves that blow off before they are damaged. Quit watching fast and the furious.

It doesn't matter what kind of valve is on them, if you crack a bottle it's going to explode whether it has a "special" valve or not.