NOS question...

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Ever seen what happens when you take sugar, oxidizer, powdered magnesium and blow it up?

The sugar is the gas. The oxidizer is the N2O. The powdered magnesium is the little bits of car kibble that will be flying everywhere.

- M4H

Could you explain how exactly it is going to explode? I would appreciate that.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Ever seen what happens when you take sugar, oxidizer, powdered magnesium and blow it up?

The sugar is the gas. The oxidizer is the N2O. The powdered magnesium is the little bits of car kibble that will be flying everywhere.

- M4H

Could you explain how exactly it is going to explode? I would appreciate that.

How what's going to explode?

The sugar/KNO3 will go up with a match or a spark.
Ditto for the gas.
Now, what's going to make sparks? Hmm. Perhaps a high-speed metal-on-metal impact?

- M4H

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Some people say it creates a hazard... 600-800 psi in one of those bottles... if you get hit and it damaged the bottle... that's one hell of a grenade.

Umm... no. You don't know what you are talking about. All bottles have valves that blow off before they are damaged. Quit watching fast and the furious.

It doesn't matter what kind of valve is on them, if you crack a bottle it's going to explode whether it has a "special" valve or not.

How are you going to crack it? Considering the bottles meet rigorous standards and have safety valves you don't know what you are talking about. Secondly, if you crack it you are releasing the pressure. It is not as if it is going to go BOOM just because the pressure is going out, bur rather the contrary. It is no more dangerous than carrying a bottle of pressurized anything.

 

[Jeff7181]

Explosion...
a) A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.
b) A violent bursting as a result of internal pressure.
c) The loud, sharp sound made as a result of either of these actions.

In this case... B would be the applicable definition...

 

[Jeff7181]

is no more dangerous than carrying a bottle of pressurized anything.

I never said it was... a bottle of anything at 600-800 PSI is dangerous.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Ever seen what happens when you take sugar, oxidizer, powdered magnesium and blow it up?

The sugar is the gas. The oxidizer is the N2O. The powdered magnesium is the little bits of car kibble that will be flying everywhere.

- M4H

Could you explain how exactly it is going to explode? I would appreciate that.

How what's going to explode?

The sugar/KNO3 will go up with a match or a spark.
Ditto for the gas.
Now, what's going to make sparks? Hmm. Perhaps a high-speed metal-on-metal impact?

- M4H

I don't see your point here? You are telling me someone is going to break into your trunk, depressurize your bottle, add sugar too it, refill it, and then attempt to blow things up. Umm... yeah.... gas is much cheaper.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Ever seen what happens when you take sugar, oxidizer, powdered magnesium and blow it up?

The sugar is the gas. The oxidizer is the N2O. The powdered magnesium is the little bits of car kibble that will be flying everywhere.

- M4H

Could you explain how exactly it is going to explode? I would appreciate that.

How what's going to explode?

The sugar/KNO3 will go up with a match or a spark.
Ditto for the gas.
Now, what's going to make sparks? Hmm. Perhaps a high-speed metal-on-metal impact?

- M4H

I don't see your point here? You are telling me someone is going to break into your trunk, depressurize your bottle, add sugar too it, refill it, and then attempt to blow things up. Umm... yeah.... gas is much cheaper.

Put down the crackpipe and step away from the keyboard.

I'm making the analogy here that while sugar is combustable, it goes a lot better with an oxidizer. A lot better.
While gas is combustible, it will go a lot better with an oxidizer. Like N2O, for example.

That better?

- M4H

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Explosion...
a) A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.
b) A violent bursting as a result of internal pressure.
c) The loud, sharp sound made as a result of either of these actions.

In this case... B would be the applicable definition...

No. The internal pressure would have to be WAY higher than 600-800psi(which incidentally I don't know of anyone who runs a pressure that low...try 1000psi) or even 1000psi for a crack to cause an explosion.

Are you fvcking people forgetting their is a goddamn gas tank with 15 gallons sitting there that is 10x more dangerous? Lets ban gas!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: theNEOone
your friend is an idiot

*CONFIRMED*

NOS doesn't belong on ANY street driven vehicle, IMO.

MichaelD, you are not one to typically be an idiot, but you are being one here. Care to explain to me why Nitrous should not belong on a street vehicle, but a turbocharger or supercharger is ok? People don't need to talk about what they don't know about.

Ever seen what happens when you take sugar, oxidizer, powdered magnesium and blow it up?

The sugar is the gas. The oxidizer is the N2O. The powdered magnesium is the little bits of car kibble that will be flying everywhere.

- M4H

Could you explain how exactly it is going to explode? I would appreciate that.

How what's going to explode?

The sugar/KNO3 will go up with a match or a spark.
Ditto for the gas.
Now, what's going to make sparks? Hmm. Perhaps a high-speed metal-on-metal impact?

- M4H

I don't see your point here? You are telling me someone is going to break into your trunk, depressurize your bottle, add sugar too it, refill it, and then attempt to blow things up. Umm... yeah.... gas is much cheaper.

Put down the crackpipe and step away from the keyboard.

I'm making the analogy here that while sugar is combustable, it goes a lot better with an oxidizer. A lot better.
While gas is combustible, it will go a lot better with an oxidizer. Like N2O, for example.

That better?

- M4H

Yeah, but how does that effect that the fact that Nitrous is as safe as a turbocharger or supercharger.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Explosion...
a) A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.
b) A violent bursting as a result of internal pressure.
c) The loud, sharp sound made as a result of either of these actions.

In this case... B would be the applicable definition...

No. The internal pressure would have to be WAY higher than 600-800psi(which incidentally I don't know of anyone who runs a pressure that low...try 1000psi) or even 1000psi for a crack to cause an explosion.

Are you fvcking people forgetting their is a goddamn gas tank with 15 gallons sitting there that is 10x more dangerous? Lets ban gas!

If you wanna play that game... here's a quote directly from Holley's web site...

"Q: What kind of pressures are components subject to in a typical nitrous kit?
A: Pressures often exceed 1,000 psi. This is why NOS uses only high pressure tested aircraft quality components like stainless steel braided Teflon lines throughout its system. "

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Explosion...
a) A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.
b) A violent bursting as a result of internal pressure.
c) The loud, sharp sound made as a result of either of these actions.

In this case... B would be the applicable definition...

No. The internal pressure would have to be WAY higher than 600-800psi(which incidentally I don't know of anyone who runs a pressure that low...try 1000psi) or even 1000psi for a crack to cause an explosion.

Are you fvcking people forgetting their is a goddamn gas tank with 15 gallons sitting there that is 10x more dangerous? Lets ban gas!

If you wanna play that game... here's a quote directly from Holley's web site...

"Q: What kind of pressures are components subject to in a typical nitrous kit?
A: Pressures often exceed 1,000 psi. This is why NOS uses only high pressure tested aircraft quality components like stainless steel braided Teflon lines throughout its system. "

Hey dipsh!t. I am TELLING you that people run around 1000psi. Reread the post. Jesus Christ. Do you own a nitrous kit? Have you ever used one for person use? What about hooked up a nitrous system? If not STFU!

 

[Jeff7181]

Don't take it so personally... you're the kinda person AnandTech could do without. Resorting to name calling definately shows your maturity level, and definately reduces the amount of respect you'll get.

But you answer your question, yes I've used nitrus oxide, yes I've installed it, and yes, I've seen a tank explode due to an impact. The military has done extensive testing with this, mainly with oxygen tanks used for oxy-acetalene torch sets.

 

[Mill]

BTW, notfred had an interesting point that he told me in PM. Do any of you people want to ban the trucks that run around with about 50 welding tanks of acetylene, oxygen, nitrous, and other gases? Some are flammable and some are not. What about gasoline tanker trucks?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Don't take it so personally... you're the kinda person AnandTech could do without.

But you answer your question, yes I've used nitrus oxide, yes I've installed it, and yes, I've seen a tank explode due to an impact. The military has done extensive testing with this, mainly with oxygen tanks used for oxy-acetalene torch sets.

Don't be a moron, and you won't get insulted. You obviously deserved it, so I am not going to hold back. How strong was the impact? Link to the "extensive testing"? Are you telling me that a car's gas tank will survive an impact and a nitrous bottle won't?

BTW- Did you not check out the link notfred gave you? CARB legal nitrous kits... guess he owned you there.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Millennium
BTW, notfred had an interesting point that he told me in PM. Do any of you people want to ban the trucks that run around with about 50 welding tanks of acetylene, oxygen, nitrous, and other gases? Some are flammable and some are not. What about gasoline tanker trucks?

There's a difference between transporting stuff like that, and carrying a bottle of high pressure gas in your passenger car.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium
BTW, notfred had an interesting point that he told me in PM. Do any of you people want to ban the trucks that run around with about 50 welding tanks of acetylene, oxygen, nitrous, and other gases? Some are flammable and some are not. What about gasoline tanker trucks?

There's a difference between transporting stuff like that, and carrying a bottle of high pressure gas in your passenger car.

How?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Don't take it so personally... you're the kinda person AnandTech could do without.

But you answer your question, yes I've used nitrus oxide, yes I've installed it, and yes, I've seen a tank explode due to an impact. The military has done extensive testing with this, mainly with oxygen tanks used for oxy-acetalene torch sets.

Don't be a moron, and you won't get insulted. You obviously deserved it, so I am not going to hold back. How strong was the impact? Link to the "extensive testing"? Are you telling me that a car's gas tank will survive an impact and a nitrous bottle won't?

BTW- Did you not check out the link notfred gave you? CARB legal nitrous kits... guess he owned you there.

Your use of the word "owned" gives away your age bracket as well... grow up kid. Learn to have a debate about a topic without using name calling as a way of getting your point across.

If you want a link, look for one yourself... but the military doesn't regularly publish every study then do on the web... not everything revolves around the internet.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Millennium
BTW, notfred had an interesting point that he told me in PM. Do any of you people want to ban the trucks that run around with about 50 welding tanks of acetylene, oxygen, nitrous, and other gases? Some are flammable and some are not. What about gasoline tanker trucks?

There's a difference between transporting stuff like that, and carrying a bottle of high pressure gas in your passenger car.

How?

The trucks must be liscensed to carry hazardous materials, and so must the driver.

 

[notfred]

The military has done extensive testing with this, mainly with oxygen tanks used for oxy-acetalene torch sets.

What kind of testing? They tested some type of welding torch for some unnamed condition and came up with some unreported result?

"NASA has done extensive testing with aircraft." <- does that statement tell you if the 737 you're flying to Dallas on is safe?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: notfred
dammit.

??

 

[Jeff7181]

Michigan Department of Transportation information regarding CDL's and transporting hazardous materials

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: notfred

The military has done extensive testing with this, mainly with oxygen tanks used for oxy-acetalene torch sets.

What kind of testing? They tested some type of welding torch for some unnamed condition and came up with some unreported result?

"NASA has done extensive testing with aircraft." <- does that statement tell you if the 737 you're flying to Dallas on is safe?

Read a book or somethin... I'm not gonna sit here and find links for you all day.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Michigan Department of Transportation information regarding CDL's and transporting hazardous materials

Endorsements
In addition to the appropriate CDL group designation, endorsements are required for the following:

H - Hazardous Materials: To carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placards.

How much nitrous oxide do you have to be carrying to require an "H" endorsement?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: notfred

The military has done extensive testing with this, mainly with oxygen tanks used for oxy-acetalene torch sets.

What kind of testing? They tested some type of welding torch for some unnamed condition and came up with some unreported result?

"NASA has done extensive testing with aircraft." <- does that statement tell you if the 737 you're flying to Dallas on is safe?

Read a book or somethin... I'm not gonna sit here and find links for you all day.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: notfred
Yeah, I guess the Caliornia air resource board is a fraud, too. Since they have 4 approved nitrous kits listed on thier website.

I wouldn't call them frauds, though they mandated MTBE be put in the gas before finding that it caused water pollution (but that'd be the "CWRB"'s problem wouldn't it?) and mandated that 8% of cars sold be zero emmisions (read: remote emmisions) vehicles by 2002 (back in 1990). I guess they missed that mark. So there's other names that start with "f" that may apply

The reason why nitrous systems don't pose a major problem with emmisions regulators is that by thier nature, they're rarely used. Unless you go full throttle, a good nitrous system won't engage at all.