Nothing Ever Changes But The Dates And The Locations

[pmv]

Strikes me that this is the sort of story pro-gun folk like (I offer it as a gift to them - and out of curiosity as to what people think of it).

I still don't think it's worth the cost, not least as both of them were armed and both ended up being shot...would be better if it hadn't happened in the first place...would the guy have broken in and been so aggressive in the first place had he not been armed? But I suppose this is the sort of thing that gun ownership is supposed to be for...also I'm baffled why the writer felt the need to tell us what time it happened 'in UK time' - what does it add to the story to know that when it's 2am in Idaho it's 9am here?)

Woman, 85, shoots dead masked intruder while handcuffed to a chair in 'heroic act of self-preservation'

Christine Jenneiahn, who was at home with her disabled son at the time, was able to drag herself to a bedroom and retrieve her pistol after Derek Condon threatened to kill her.

news.sky.com

 

[eelw]

For everyone one of these cases, there’s going to be 50 where the disabled child plays with an improperly stored gun.

 

[fskimospy]

Strikes me that this is the sort of story pro-gun folk like (I offer it as a gift to them - and out of curiosity as to what people think of it).

I still don't think it's worth the cost, not least as both of them were armed and both ended up being shot...would be better if it hadn't happened in the first place...would the guy have broken in and been so aggressive in the first place had he not been armed? But I suppose this is the sort of thing that gun ownership is supposed to be for...also I'm baffled why the writer felt the need to tell us what time it happened 'in UK time' - what does it add to the story to know that when it's 2am in Idaho it's 9am here?)

Woman, 85, shoots dead masked intruder while handcuffed to a chair in 'heroic act of self-preservation'

Christine Jenneiahn, who was at home with her disabled son at the time, was able to drag herself to a bedroom and retrieve her pistol after Derek Condon threatened to kill her.

news.sky.com

The issue with gun ownership isn’t that guns are NEVER useful to protect your life, just that they make their owners more likely to die overall so they are a net negative if staying alive is your goal.

It is really a very simple facts vs. emotion argument. People feel in their gut that they are safer with a gun and so facts be damned.

 

[pmv]

For everyone one of these cases, there’s going to be 50 where the disabled child plays with an improperly stored gun.

Yeah, wouldn't argue otherwise. Can't say I'm hugely sorry that a guy who would assault and threaten an 85-year-old woman ended up dead, but I wouldn't argue an occasional case balances out all the dead children. And I also wonder if he'd have broken in in the first place had he not himself been armed.

 

[Pohemi]

Middle school shooting(?) in Mount Horeb, WI. 14yo was killed before ever entering the school.

Mount Horeb is s small town of mainly Scandanavian and German immigrant offspring. It's a "quaint" little town that even has a Scandanavian troll theme. I'd be surprised to even see this in Madison which is 30 miles east, but in Mount Horeb? That's even more unexpected. Just shows it can happen anywhere that the wrong people have access to firearms.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Just shows it can happen anywhere that the wrong people have access to firearms.

This being America, that becomes "anyone and everyone"
(I know I'm mostly preaching to the choir and beating a dead horse...)

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I gave up keeping track. There have been multiple every week, sometimes two or more in a single day.


And the SCROTes have essentially endorsed it.

 

[Pohemi]

'Suspect dead, 9 wounded including children in shooting at Detroit area water park'​

'June 15 (Reuters) - An armed man shot and injured nine people, including two children, at a water-park near Detroit on Saturday evening before shooting himself after being cornered by police, authorities said.'

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/up-10-shot-wounded-detroit-area-water-park-police-say-2024-06-16/

Police identify Michigan splash pad shooter but there's still no word on a motive

Michigan authorities are investigating a mass shooting at a splash pad in suburban Detroit. The shooter's motive remains unknown.

apnews.com

Motives or specific targets are often not immediately apparent, but this one sure seems 'random'. Shooting up a water park where it's all kids and families...

 

[igor_kavinski]

Shooting up a water park where it's all kids and families...

Mental illness. Something as simple as "why do other people have the right to be happy with their families and not me? Solution: kill 'em all!".

 

[Pohemi]

Mental illness. Something as simple as "why do other people have the right to be happy with their families and not me? Solution: kill 'em all!".

Or even more simplistic- he just wanted to shoot anyone, and where would people be mostly unarmed and defenseless? A water park. Just speculation, of course.

And of course it's mental illness, that doesn't even need to be said. It's always a given with mass shooters IMO.

 

[pmv]

I tend to think mental illness is usually a product of social, cultural and economic factors though. Sometimes, maybe, it's a purely biological issue, but even then it reflects a failure of the health care system.

So I don't think blaming 'mental illness' lets the wider society off the hook (not assuming that's the intent of anyone in invoking that, but I just don't see a clear-cut dividing line between 'mentally ill' and 'ideologically driven' shooters)

 

[Pohemi]

Anyone willing and intending to shoot and kill numerous people, many of them 'innocent', is not right in the head. Especially when it involves children.

And while genetic factors can contribute to the likeliness of mental health issues, I agree that the higher-contributing factors are societal/environmental/nurtured.