NRA ranks soar.

[Charles Kozierok]

It still isn't an attack. And it isn't vicious.

Its particularly obnoxious to call a political difference of opinion a vicious attack in the context of a real vicious attack like what happened in Sandy Hook.

it is disgraceful.

You're entitled to your opinion on whether or not what he called an attack was one, or whether or not it's vicious.

But your manufactured outrage here is silly. Nobody has ever claimed that what the killer did at Sandy Hook was not vicious. That doesn't mean nothing else can ever use that same term, especially when it is clearly meant in a political context.

 

[Pia]

Aren't there any competitors to NRA which push for reasonable gun laws and counter hoplophobe campaigns with the kryptonite mix of fact and logic, but do not water it down by bullshit about video games and commando squads for schools?

 

[Tom]

You're entitled to your opinion on whether or not what he called an attack was one, or whether or not it's vicious.

But your manufactured outrage here is silly. Nobody has ever claimed that what the killer did at Sandy Hook was not vicious. That doesn't mean nothing else can ever use that same term, especially when it is clearly meant in a political context.

it isn't manufactured. Its the first thing that occurred to me as I read the OP.

People can say whatever they want, I never said they couldn't.

If they want to justify their use of words, feel free.

 

[irishScott]

fine words that I can respect someone using ina political discussion, although I don't understand why you see gun control as amoral ?

banning guns, i could see that level of rhetoric, but what's actually being discussed you see as amoral ?

That was with respect to the misinformation being splattered all over the media. I bet there are loads of people who think double-action revolvers aren't semi-automatic. Hell I've even met some. I've also met plenty who thought full-auto and semi-auto were the same thing. Met one person who thought the difference was that semi-auto had a selector and full-auto didn't.

Likewise, they spread false impressions of the NRA and what they actually stand for. I intentionally hide my NRA membership from the average person I meet simply to avoid bias and discrimination, or at the very least avoid the need to defend myself.

The media is wantonly guilty about spreading such misinformation. They've done everything but directly blame the NRA for the "weakness" of the Clinton AWB (you know, the thing that banned all guns with barrel shrouds and freaking bayonet lugs).

It's disgusting. The liberal news sources are mirroring Fox News at its worst, and they fling shit on the title of "Journalist" as they do so. That's the "amoral" bit.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh, you mean the folks who follow the DNC and RNC talking points to the letter? Gotcha.

Yes like that. Thanks for following along.

You know, it should be possible for someone to start a thread and for people to have a discussion about a topic -- whether or not the NRA is gaining members -- without it being immediately derailed with garbage.

Derailed with garbage? That happened in the OPs post. I particularly like your non contributive posts, they have added quite a bit to the discussion as well/s

 

[Bowfinger]

As a voting block 5 million is sizeable. Other organizations are dwarfed by that number.

AAA - 51 million members
AARP - 40 million members
AFL/CIO - 11 million members
Education International - 4.7 million members (U.S. only, >30 million world wide)
Catholic Church - 68.5 million members (U.S.)
Mormon Church -6 million members

 

[Mani]

And while you are celebrating a 2.5% increase in NRA membership, the public is turning sharply in favor of increased gun control. Have fun with that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

 

[OrByte]

And while you are celebrating a 2.5% increase in NRA membership, the public is turning sharply in favor of increased gun control. Have fun with that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Ouch. nice!

 

[irishScott]

And while you are celebrating a 2.5% increase in NRA membership, the public is turning sharply in favor of increased gun control. Have fun with that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Maybe you should have read the related story.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159569/americans-stricter-gun-laws-oppose-bans.aspx

 

[OrByte]

Maybe you should have read the related story.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159569/americans-stricter-gun-laws-oppose-bans.aspx


Those are all trending in the right direction!

 

[OrByte]

This is the one I like

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com...roduction/Cms/POLL/tqxzoipb8kyae7usyrxldw.gif

edit: crap don't know how to embed

 

[irishScott]

Thank you for the rest of those charts!

Those are all trending in the right direction!

In the panicked wake of a mass shooting, sure they're trending that way for now. Just take a look at the handgun ban chart, it's got as many peaks and valleys as anything. What the mood is in a couple of months will be more relevant.

My point was that "stricter gun laws" is vague and may not mean what a lot of gun control advocates think it means. It notably does not mean an AWB, as those charts clearly show the numbers are equal at best, with a slim majority against such measures.

 

[monovillage]

Maybe you should have read the related story.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159569/americans-stricter-gun-laws-oppose-bans.aspx

They like to lie by omission or to think that when the people become better informed that the numbers won't change.

 

[Lemon law]

Wow Wow and bow whow the NRA only boasts of only 4.3 million members. Which is even smaller than than the Gays and Lesbian lobby. And way smaller than the 14 million or so Rush Limbaugh ditto heads that is at least 3 times bigger. Or we can talk about the religious right or the tea party turd of a feather who combined act as in the same knee jerk manner. As we start to realize, the radical right plus the NRA can muster a combined 30% of the US electorate. Not to mention the fact, many US sport hunting fans like me and Mizzoe, who said, "I was only a member of NRA previously so I could use their firearm range". As we both realize the NRA polices are 100% out of step in responsible gun ownership. As I am willing to bet, at least 10 million responsible gun owners oppose NRA nuttiness. Earth to NRA, you have way way way too few members to claim any majority

 

[Angry Irishman]

When a donkey asks about reason, don't expect an answer to satisfy him.

Well there look who's being an ass. All I'm saying is an AR15 isn't a machine gun. Give a better answer next time. After that go find your parents and scold them for raising a rude clown.

 

[irishScott]

Wow Wow and bow whow the NRA only boasts of only 4.3 million members. Which is even smaller than than the Gays and Lesbian lobby. And way smaller than the 14 million or so Rush Limbaugh ditto heads that is at least 3 times bigger. Or we can talk about the religious right or the tea party turd of a feather who combined act as in the same knee jerk manner. As we start to realize, the radical right plus the NRA can muster a combined 30% of the US electorate. Not to mention the fact, many US sport hunting fans like me and Mizzoe, who said, "I was only a member of NRA previously so I could use their firearm range". As we both realize the NRA polices are 100% out of step in responsible gun ownership. As I am willing to bet, at least 10 million responsible gun owners oppose NRA nuttiness. Earth to NRA, you have way way way too few members to claim any majority

I oppose a lot of NRA nuttiness, and I'm an NRA member. But I continually give them money nonetheless, because they're far and above the most effective political counterweight to the gun banners. I know a ton of members who think the same. We may disagree, but in the face of a common enemy we know to circle the wagons. The gun grabbers have provided decades of practice.

 

[monovillage]

I oppose a lot of NRA nuttiness, and I'm an NRA member. But I continually give them money nonetheless, because they're far and above the most effective political counterweight to the gun banners. I know a ton of members who think the same. We may disagree, but in the face of a common enemy we know to circle the wagons. The gun grabbers have provided decades of practice.

I'm not an NRA member right now, but usually contribute $$ every year. Most likely i'll sign up again soon and send more contributions. I support them in their efforts against a particularly despicable enemy.

 

[spidey07]

I oppose a lot of NRA nuttiness, and I'm an NRA member. But I continually give them money nonetheless, because they're far and above the most effective political counterweight to the gun banners. I know a ton of members who think the same. We may disagree, but in the face of a common enemy we know to circle the wagons. The gun grabbers have provided decades of practice.

Donate To SAF.

I'll probably do NRA lifetime membership just to give them some support.

 

[Thump553]

I'm not an NRA member right now, but usually contribute $$ every year. Most likely i'll sign up again soon and send more contributions. I support them in their efforts against a particularly despicable enemy.

I have two brother in laws, lifetime avid hunters and who both think Rush L. is a little too lefty. They each quit the NRA back in the eighties when the NRA took the position (in opposition to nearly every law enforcement chief who testified) that it was a constitutional infringement for the federal government to try and pass a law prohibiting the sale of armor piercing bullets to civilians.

The first step to sanity is to acknowledge that the NRA represents an extreme fringe view, a view that is killing far too many people each year.

 

[spidey07]

The NRA protecting the rights of law abiding citizens is responsible for killing people?

Bullshit. Also the "armor piercing boolits" stuff was also bullshit. Next you'll say black talons are too lethal ammunition. Umm, ammo is supposed to kill.

What other bill if rights are fringe extreme to you?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Hey if this gun ownership thing is so valuable to society why does the NRA lobby (successfully) to hide gun violence related statistics?

I mean, whats to hide?

Meep meep.

 

[spidey07]

Hey if this gun ownership thing is so valuable to society why does the NRA lobby (successfully) to hide gun violence related statistics?

I mean, whats to hide?

Meep meep.

What laws are you speaking of Biden? What the Sam fuck are you talking about liberal? Can you show legislation to back your claim?

Does law enforcement or Feds record defensive use of firearms?

 

[monovillage]

Hey if this gun ownership thing is so valuable to society why does the NRA lobby (successfully) to hide gun violence related statistics?

I mean, whats to hide?

Meep meep.

How about a link, i've never seen any reason to give a claim by you any credence without back up sources.

 

[monovillage]

I have two brother in laws, lifetime avid hunters and who both think Rush L. is a little too lefty. They each quit the NRA back in the eighties when the NRA took the position (in opposition to nearly every law enforcement chief who testified) that it was a constitutional infringement for the federal government to try and pass a law prohibiting the sale of armor piercing bullets to civilians.

The first step to sanity is to acknowledge that the NRA represents an extreme fringe view, a view that is killing far too many people each year.

No, the NRA is not a fringe gun rights group, if anything it's the closest to a mainstream pro-firearm lobby that you'll get in this country.

 

[Incorruptible]

Good for the NRA, They need more members because there are some dumb people in this country who want to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens.