NRDC: Say no to oil drilling...

[Altima]

NRDC Form


Well the pro Alaska drilling politicians are going to try and push legislation to drill in any bill they can...go to the above page and fill out the form ( takes 1 min) and let your senators know you're agains't this ridiculous legislation. It's pointless to ruin to any degree this wildlife area for something that has no long term effect...we will get a slight percentage of oil from this area and only get it in a few years down the road. This kind of legislation has no real benefit to it...it just sets a precident for other idiots to do even worse things to the environment....

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yeah, maybe we should just close down all of our domestic oil production. I mean if you only look at individual areas they are just a small portion of the overall use - so they shouldn't matter -right? The problem is that you aren't looking at the whole picture.

Here is a compromise. We'll let the enviro-nuts have their Alaskan paradise but you have to allow for more domestic oil refineries and also have to allow for more Nuclear Power Plants. Deal?

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

Sure CaD we will make sure to build them all is BFE, Iowa. OK?
Seems the gene pool can't get much worse.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Sure CaD we will make sure to build them all is BFE, Iowa. OK?
Seems the gene pool can't get much worse.

We have a Nuclear plant here. But we won't get any oil refineries because we don't have oil. We are however getting another 9 ethanol plants

CsG

 

[ReiAyanami]

i would rather have access to alaska oil 20 years from now when we REALLY need it, than tomorrow.

alaska may be the only thing that keeps us a superpower in the distant decades-from-now future.

and you don't have to worry about opposition because when oil tops $75 this spring, everybody will be clamoring to open that baby up

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i would rather have access to alaska oil 20 years from now when we REALLY need it, than tomorrow.

alaska may be the only thing that keeps us a superpower in the distant decades-from-now future.

and you don't have to worry about opposition because when oil tops $75 this spring, everybody will be clamoring to open that baby up

While the people on bikes and public transit laugh their collective asses off.

 

[conjur]

I don't really have a problem with drilling in Alaska. When the Alaska pipeline went in there was a lot of concern about danger to the Alaskan landscape. Seems the pipeline has done rather well.

But, drilling there isn't going to really have much of an impact on our usage of oil. The key is to move to alternative forms of energy. So, imo, this is money wasted that should be going to moving other sources of fuel into mass production.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Meh, we're locked into the oil economy & relatively cheap energy for a long time, the environmental impact is minimal.

The people against it for immediate environmental reasons are uninformed knee jerk response fools.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur
The key is to move to alternative forms of energy. So, imo, this is money wasted that should be going to moving other sources of fuel into mass production.

:thumbsup:

Other countries are doing it, we should have been doing this a decade ago.

 

[Altima]

Originally posted by: conjur
I don't really have a problem with drilling in Alaska. When the Alaska pipeline went in there was a lot of concern about danger to the Alaskan landscape. Seems the pipeline has done rather well.

But, drilling there isn't going to really have much of an impact on our usage of oil. The key is to move to alternative forms of energy. So, imo, this is money wasted that should be going to moving other sources of fuel into mass production.

Thats the key right there....we don't gain much from this anyway...it's not like it's some vast oil field....if we say yes to this it just sets up for future incrusions into the environment.... Tom Delay even said....this is just to set a precident..... this isn't going to fix the problem or even come close..so whats the point?


Also i should have been more clear in my title.....not just stop drilling out...but stop the alaska drilling

 

[desy]

Wow Altima
You must be passionate bout this, as you post so rare!! :thumbsup:
A rare jump into P/N
I sit on the fence on this one. . .

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Meh, we're locked into the oil economy & relatively cheap energy for a long time

How would you know?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i would rather have access to alaska oil 20 years from now when we REALLY need it, than tomorrow.

Agreed. I also agree with Conjur that we will need to move to alternative fuels sooner or later so might as well not waste money on this.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Meh, we're locked into the oil economy & relatively cheap energy for a long time, the environmental impact is minimal.

The people against it for immediate environmental reasons are uninformed knee jerk response fools.

We're only going to be "locked into the oil economy" as long as certain loggerheads continue to believe so. When our nation is determined and has the will to do something (like send a man to the Moon) we can make unbelievable progress. So why try to hinder or marginalize developments into alternative energy with such unsubstantiated pessimistic remarks?

We could already have made major advances into alternate energy if it wasn't for friction caused by legacy energy corprations and our national will being filed down with constant terror alerts and fearmongering campaigns.

 

[GoPackGo]

I say use it all up...when its gone its gone...that will be the only way we will ever get to other fuels

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Meh, we're locked into the oil economy & relatively cheap energy for a long time

How would you know?

Let's see, from years of reading and being very interested in any form of alternative energy.

You got a public access hydrogen refueling station, electricty generating windmills, solar panel farm or geothermal source that can produce a significant amount of energy, much less move a car within 100 miles of where you live?

On a personal note, I tried last month to get a tankless water heater installed. Home Depot stocks them. No one will install them. It'll take a massive price jump & a national initiative to change everyone's mindset about even simple changes, much less trying to overhaul our oil economy.

And even though you don't seem to want to believe me, I'm all for an overhaul.

 

[Infohawk]

Evidence of something not existing now doesn't help us to know that we will be locked in to an oil economy for a long time to come, which you stated was the case.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Evidence of something not existing now doesn't help us to know that we will be locked in to an oil economy for a long time to come, which you stated was the case.

So how long will it take Infohawk?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i would rather have access to alaska oil 20 years from now when we REALLY need it, than tomorrow.

alaska may be the only thing that keeps us a superpower in the distant decades-from-now future.

and you don't have to worry about opposition because when oil tops $75 this spring, everybody will be clamoring to open that baby up

While the people on bikes and public transit laugh their collective asses off.

Because public transit runs off giggles? The buses I ride most working days run off some form of oil, last I checked.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
So how long will it take Infohawk?

As I suspected, you have no idea what you're talking about. Cheers.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i would rather have access to alaska oil 20 years from now when we REALLY need it, than tomorrow.

alaska may be the only thing that keeps us a superpower in the distant decades-from-now future.

and you don't have to worry about opposition because when oil tops $75 this spring, everybody will be clamoring to open that baby up

While the people on bikes and public transit laugh their collective asses off.

Because public transit runs off giggles? The buses I ride most working days run off some form of oil, last I checked.

Depends where you live, We have electrical lines here suspended above the streets. Hydropowered from up in the mountains. over 1000 buses = 1dam

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
So how long will it take Infohawk?

As I suspected, you have no idea what you're talking about. Cheers.

<---mumbles under breath about being taken in by Infodork again.

 

[ReiAyanami]

I don't really have a problem with drilling in Alaska. When the Alaska pipeline went in there was a lot of concern about danger to the Alaskan landscape. Seems the pipeline has done rather well.

funny thing happened actually, a few years ago a drunken hunter shot a hole in one of the pipelines and nobody noticed for 6+ months. in the meantime a few million gallons of oil spilled out of it worth as much $50 million.

they might as well put a big sticker on it that says "wide terrorist target". if they can blow up iraq's oil infrastructue every other week, they can take a cruise ship to alaska

the billions that will be invested into alaska's oil infrastructure is better off being put into windmills which are actually the equivalent of $30/barrel and i doubt oil will go below $30 anytime soon or ever. however oil companies are more interested in accumulating lots of debt just so they can extract oil at $2-$4 per barrel

 

[conjur]

If terrorists want to hit us, they can do it any number of ways. A couple of semi-truck filled with explosives in a crowded area (or even in, say, the Holland or Lincoln Tunnel)

A barge filled with explosives

The possibilities are endless

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: conjur
I don't really have a problem with drilling in Alaska. When the Alaska pipeline went in there was a lot of concern about danger to the Alaskan landscape. Seems the pipeline has done rather well.

But, drilling there isn't going to really have much of an impact on our usage of oil. The key is to move to alternative forms of energy. So, imo, this is money wasted that should be going to moving other sources of fuel into mass production.

Why is it the "consevatives" are the ones who want to open up the drilling there? What are we going to conserve for future use? I thought they were all worried about things like that, looking out for future generations??