nRollo has been banned

[Painman]

Once the "full disclosure" issue was handled, I didn't really have a problem with the guy coming back and posting here. It should have been implicit to anyone reading his posts that he'd have a bias. Take what such a person says with a grain of salt, and move on.

In any case, it's Derek's job to decide what's best for the AT forums, and if I had major issues with how the place was run, I wouldn't come here. I'll assume that there were good reasons for the permaban. I don't pay much attention to forum politics or fanboy wars.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: toyota
I never really noticed anything inappropriate from him.

Not really a fanboy of either company, but I agree with this statement.

 

[SlowSpyder]

My problem with Rollo was that he never would answer a poster's question for their benefit, to give them an honest opinion of what would be best for them. If someone asked, what should I get, part A or part B, he would always give the answer that suited Nvidia, not what was truely best for what was being asked. That drove me nuts.

He was knowledgeable and could be helpful for people sometimes but I do feel he went out of his way to crap on AMD/ATi stuff and put Nvidia in the best light no matter what the circumstance. I don't know if he deserved ban or not, but I do think that there were more 'problems' due to his presence then if he wasn't here.

Just my $.02.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: toyota
I never really noticed anything inappropriate from him.

I think Rollo's problem is as SunnyD said, too much sales pitches and marketing for nVidia. Although to be honest, if you understand he's going to be biased, very very biased, in favor of nVidia then you can take that into perspective on any of his posts. I haven't noticed anything blatantly bad (excepting his bias) about his posts though. Some of his marketing pitches do get tiresome. But again, nothing I think would warrant a banning.**

There were some obvious marketing pitches of nVidia tech, similar to his past 8800 Ultra (might have the wrong card but everyone knows what I'm talking about, $800 for a video card???) and his hard pushing of a the new nVidia stereoscopic 3D glasses. I'm withholding any judgments on the glasses until I can try them out. And I don't mean 30 seconds at some kiosk but having them on for a few hours minimum.

Probably the only major annoyance with him after I was reinstated was his harping about how well to do he was and how he could afford $600 for toys. Now THAT was annoying. And I'm someone who sets aside $500-1000 for gambling every month. If you're well to do, good for you. Understand that many people aren't and can't afford $300 for a video card much less $600.

And as much as I like ATI cards (they've provided great bang for the buck in the last few years), I've also bought a $400 nVidia card before my current 4870 512MB card.

My 2¢.


**In the interest of full disclosure, I was once banned from here because I felt Rollo was stirring up trouble on purpose. I thought there was not enough moderation and went ballistic and was banned. It wasn't just Rollo but also a certain other nVidia fanboy who once blatantly said he was saying anti-ATI crap to purposely be a d*ck and rile up ATI fans. This fanboy is still here and it shouldn't take too much effort to know who it is.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: m0mentary
I think it has more to do with his past, and in the eyes of the mods, his "unapologetic fanboyism" doesn't sit well in light of their willingness to give him a chance to redeem himself and regain the trust of forum members (although I don't know if that was ever a possibility here)

EDIT: Sometimes people need to exercise greater restraint and better judgment to make up for mistakes of the past, even if they're no longer doing anything wrong in the present. (For the record Im not endorsing his ban, this is just my take on the reasoning behind it)

QFT, and thanks Derek.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Rollo is probably the least troublesome of the three or so nvidia fanboys here that need to be banned.

Just because they are fanboys they need to be banned?

What is the world coming to?

When people make a thread asking for video card suggestions, some of these people come into the thread and make it seem like AMD cards are trash and virtually unplayable without significant problems in most modern games. Flat out lying like that to someone who is looking for honest answers should be bannable, especially since they do it practically all the time.

Liking one brand over another is perfectly fine, but telling someone that one brand is unusable just to get them to buy another brand is silly.

Got some links to back up your accusations? I think we need more bans for people who make unfounded accusations and can't back them up.

This latest banning is just more proof of what we've seen in the past, undermoderation or overmoderation, completely dependent of course on what brand you prefer.

 

[Janooo]

Thank you.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

aww it's gonna be boring here AGAIN.
I say short of spammers, we let everyone in
But there'll be no trouble from me

 

[spittledip]

Thank God. Good call mods. I think there are worse offenders here, but that is a good start. I have held my figurative tongue on so many occasions. I hope the other paid off fanbois take notice and behave from now on.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: toyota
I never really noticed anything inappropriate from him.

I'm guessing it's the old "squeaky wheel gets the grease" situation. As a lot of people were on his case. Same with Keys, but he is on better terms with the forum.

Keys is much more objective even though he gets free Nvidia stuff. There is absolutely no comparison.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

As a new poster I immediately spotted his favorism for all things Nvidia and subtle (and not so subtle) downplays for ATI hardware, and it was quite annoying.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: IlllI
it was not blatant 'ATI suxx)rz!! nvidia rules#1' type posts. no, much more subtle than that. more along the lines of 'hey, lets post negative pr posts about our bitter rival company and possibly get people to think twice about buying their products!'

This is exactly the issue. If you go to the CPU forum, you will see many AMD bashing posts by the Nvidia fanbois that are destructive in nature. Nrollo was not as guilty over there, and as others have said, he is the least guilty of the 4. That does not mean I disagree with the Mods- as others have said, his past involvement here is what made him get this permanent ban . He received mercy from the mods once when they let him return, and he was allowed to stay depending on conditions... conditions to which he did not adhere to according to the mods.

 

[natty1]

banning is for nazis

 

[BFG10K]

Here?s the thread where nRollo was allowed back in: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

He wasn?t banned the second time because he was a fanboy. We don?t ban people because they?re fanboys.

He was banned the first time because of the trouble he caused in the past with the AEG, and he was banned the second time for violating the terms of his return.

If you read all of Derek?s comments in that thread, you?ll see he was let back in here to provide assistance for nVidia products and be a link to them about their products for the benefit of the community. He was not to engage in shilling or marketeering. It was also made very clear that he would be booted if he started causing trouble again.

Of course we all know how that turned out, and the rockgate fiasco is a perfect example of shilling where he hid the source of his information (nVidia) and pretended he was legitimate consumer who stumbled on the problem himself. He actually purchased a 4850 for the sole purpose of following nVidia?s instructions to replicate the issue so he could then post it at multiple forums with his multiple personalities (aka JethroBodine).

If your memory is still hazy, I suggest you search the archives for ?AEG? and you?ll see him causing trouble from as early as 2002/2003 when he was a hidden viral marketer.

And for the record, this was a joint decision amongst numerous mods.

 

[OCGuy]

Be careful what you wish for. Now the people who work for nV will not be known, as well as the ones who "test product" for ATi.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: AVP
Anandtech will miss him.

Creig, however, will not.

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Be careful what you wish for. Now the people who work for nV will not be known, as well as the ones who "test product" for ATi.

At least it's one less in our midst. And if others are found to be doing the same they can be shown the door as well.

Since he has already been banned from Sharky Extreme, Hard Forums, Rage 3D and God only knows how many other sites, seeing him finally get permabanned from here as well shouldn't come as much of a shock to anybody.

A big thank you to Derek and to the Mods who pushed to get rid of this blatantly obvious Nvidia marketer.

 

[Jabbernyx]

He seemed fine until being a little overly pushy with the stereoscopic gaming thingie.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
And for the record, this was a joint decision amongst numerous mods.

Indeed. The opinion among the various moderator ranks was quite overwhelming that he hasn't done enough in the year since he was reinstated to prove that he deserved the reprieve. His presence here has caused a great deal of disruption. The original rationale for allowing his return was so that he could hopefully get rid of shill/marketeer label he had earned before, and gain the trust/acceptance of the members by being helpful and using his Nvidia ties to the benefit of the members. That hasn't happened to our satisfaction.

That seems to be the part that some of you are hung up on...perhaps concerned that other members could be "arbitrarily" banned, as you guys see it. The key difference in Rollo's case was that he was allowed back on a provisional basis after his previous permaban, and that there were conditions to the reprieve he was granted.

He wasn't shown the door because of his Focus Group status (no, we're not planning on banning Keys ), or because some members consider him a "fanboy".

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Jabbernyx
He seemed fine until being a little overly pushy with the stereoscopic gaming thingie.

:thumbsup:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: AVP
Anandtech will miss him.

Creig, however, will not.

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Be careful what you wish for. Now the people who work for nV will not be known, as well as the ones who "test product" for ATi.

At least it's one less in our midst. And if others are found to be doing the same they can be shown the door as well.

Yes and now you cant derail every nV thread by attacking the fact the nRollo got free hardware. Hopefully from now on, behavior like that will be a ban if you try it with the other

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes and now you cant derail every nV thread by attacking the fact the nRollo got free hardware. Hopefully from now on, behavior like that will be a ban if you try it with the other

Well, since he won't be here telling us how wonderful it is without actually spending a dime of his own money on it I won't have to, now will I?

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Here?s the thread where nRollo was allowed back in: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

He wasn?t banned the second time because he was a fanboy. We don?t ban people because they?re fanboys.

He was banned the first time because of the trouble he caused in the past with the AEG, and he was banned the second time for violating the terms of his return.

If you read all of Derek?s comments in that thread, you?ll see he was let back in here to provide assistance for nVidia products and be a link to them about their products for the benefit of the community. He was not to engage in shilling or marketeering. It was also made very clear that he would be booted if he started causing trouble again.

Of course we all know how that turned out, and the rockgate fiasco is a perfect example of shilling where he hid the source of his information (nVidia) and pretended he was legitimate consumer who stumbled on the problem himself. He actually purchased a 4850 for the sole purpose of following nVidia?s instructions to replicate the issue so he could then post it at multiple forums with his multiple personalities (aka JethroBodine).

If your memory is still hazy, I suggest you search the archives for ?AEG? and you?ll see him causing trouble from as early as 2002/2003 when he was a hidden viral marketer.

And for the record, this was a joint decision amongst numerous mods.

Thanks for the quick backstory and explanation. Good riddance.

Last time he came back as fallenangel. I'm sure he'll make a comeback eventually/sadly.

 

[allies]

I haven't posted an extreme amount on the forums, but I was here through the thick and the thin reading Rollo's posts. I think this is a smart move by the mods - I remember distinctly that the point of his reinstatement was to be a link for feedback to and from nVidia for the forum members, not to be a salesperson...

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Be careful what you wish for. Now the people who work for nV will not be known, as well as the ones who "test product" for ATi.

LOL they are all known already! This is not an issue.

 

[ronnn]

I am sure there are lots of company reps here that have others supply them with relevant links to support their product. A good decision like this will at least keep them careful and less abrasive. :thumbsup:

edit: I was going to suggest banning all fanbois, but luckily realized that may not work out so well ........