NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

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Hans Gruber

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Except for the people who are overwhelmed by their gag reflex upon seeing the words AMD or Radeon.
The AMD cards I like are the 6800xt,7900xt and 7900xtx. I would take a standard 6800 over a 6700xt any day. The 6800xt undervolted would have been nice if the prices went down to $350-400.

The safe bet is probably an Arc A750 if they go for $199 or less again. I expect some deals to counter the 4060 in the next day or two. That way you can wait out the GPU market for something better. It will probably take another 6 months for Intel to get their drivers completely sorted.

I have nothing bad to say about AMD GPU's. They work well, if there is a serious problem they fix the drivers quickly. They do a major driver update every 6 months and big updates once a year.
 

GodisanAtheist

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5600xt 192bit bus (6GB) --> 6600 Xt 128bit bus (8GB)
5700xt 256bit bus (8GB) --> 192bit bus (12GB)
6900xt 256bit bus (16GB) on a $1000 dollar card where AMD's previous high end had 512bit bus (8GB) or 384bit bus (3GB).

Ironically the reason it works is the same, but the response from the media is completely different.

-Put some RAM capacities in there for you.

Also, AMD had straight line performance increases across the board, while NV is largely holding stable in performance with RAM capacity regressions in some cases resulting in really weird scenarios where the 3060 has better lows than the 4060 and even the 4060ti in some games.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. NV will absolutely slay in sales and extend their marketshare to 90% this gen.
 

Thunder 57

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The 4060 got shat on by Hardware Unboxed. The 7600, 3060 Ti, and 3060 perform better in certain cases. 20% faster my ass. I guess it's slightly better than the 4060 Ti or thge obscene 4060 Ti 16GB. No one should be buying these things. A 6700/XT would beat the snot of out these things.
 

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Got around to checking in on Jay's review. His channel has developed a pattern. Shill. Get rekt by the community for shilling. In the very next video is a mea culpa, with a bunch of woulda coulda shoulda. Including an unbelievable claim that what you witnessed wasn't shilling, Followed by making excuses for everything that led to the accusations of shilling. Some of the excuses are, "the dog ate my homework" bad.

He gives a TLDW = buy the 6700XT. He throws praise at ARC a couple of times too. It comes off like some serial cheater douche trying to give their S.O. flowers and candy, while begging for forgiveness on their knees, after getting caught.
 

Aapje

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Got around to checking in on Jay's review. His channel has developed a pattern. Shill. Get rekt by the community for shilling. In the very next video is a mea culpa, with a bunch of woulda coulda shoulda. Including an unbelievable claim that what you witnessed wasn't shilling, Followed by making excuses for everything that led to the accusations of shilling. Some of the excuses are, "the dog ate my homework" bad.

He gives a TLDW = buy the 6700XT. He throws praise at ARC a couple of times too. It comes off like some serial cheater douche trying to give their S.O. flowers and candy, while begging for forgiveness on their knees, after getting caught.
I don't think that he is a shill, but that he simply stopped caring. He has become the kind of guy that simply buys the best GPU and CPU on the market, no matter the price or value, since he has way more money than time to even bother researching. And he doesn't like doing the research as a hobby either. As far I can tell his biggest passion is the Blinkenlights anyway. What excites him is pretty things, not actual engineering.

He even starts out doing the video saying that he hates doing video card reviews and throughout the video I see zero passion. A proper shill wouldn't recommend the 6700 XT or Arc card, like he does.

The entire pattern that you are noticing is in my opinion caused by Jay being a totally clueless snob. He's the kind of guy that sees all lower tier cards as garbage, even if they are good value for money, but he feels obligated gets paid for giving advice. So he does give advice, but without determining the value for money in an objective way (because he is lazy). Because he has no feel for what is good price for performance, his takes are often really bad. Then he gets skewered for those opinions and because his opinions have no conviction behind them, he'll happily pivot.

But then tomorrow he'll do another bad take because his cluelessness is a permanent affliction.
 

Mopetar

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If they dropped the price to $249, and still called it the 4060, reception would be MUCH more positive than it is now.

The price is MUCH more important than the name.

It's both, otherwise they could have called this a 4090 Ti and charged $350 for it. An xx90 card at only $350! Never before could you get such a deal on current generation parts.

But as we've been over dozens of times already this really is an xx50 tier part, but NVidia has tried to cash in on their own branding reputation by naming a lower-tier die as though it were something historically better. They deserve the scorn and even NVidia fans should expect better from the company they love.
 

Heartbreaker

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It's both, otherwise they could have called this a 4090 Ti and charged $350 for it. An xx90 card at only $350! Never before could you get such a deal on current generation parts.

But as we've been over dozens of times already this really is an xx50 tier part, but NVidia has tried to cash in on their own branding reputation by naming a lower-tier die as though it were something historically better. They deserve the scorn and even NVidia fans should expect better from the company they love.

So has there been a dozen discussions about the RX 7600 really being an RX 7500 then?

For most people numeric technology names are pure Greek.

You need to be deep in nerd land (or maybe on the spectrum) to get bogged down in naming arguments.

Ultimately all that matters is perf/$ and features. You could call the new card: "The Shirley", or you could call it the RX 4030 and sell it for over $400, and as long as there was a big jump in perf/$, people would cheer.
 
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gdansk

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It's the top bin of N33 like the 6600 XT was the top bin of N23 before it. So the RX 7600 is really more of an RX 7600 XT. It just happens to suck so badly AMD had to drop the XT.
 

Mopetar

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So has there been a dozen discussions about the RX 7600 really being an RX 7500 then?

No, because the 7600 isn't on Navi 34 and has more shaders than the 6600.

The 4060 is on the AD-107 die, when the 3060 was on GA-106, the 2060 on TU-106, etc.

Ultimately all that matters is perf/$ and features. You could call the new card: "The Shirley", or you could call it the RX 4030 and sell it for over $400, and as long as there was a big jump in perf/$, people would cheer.

You're ultimately correct, which is why no one is praising the 7600 either. But people have expectations around branding. If you've got an "Ultra" line of products that offer premium performance or other bells and whistles and you treat your customers like idiots by slapping the moniker on some awful turd, don't be surprised when they're upset.

xx60 used to mean something. Less so now.
 

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For $199 it would be decent, but $300 is garbage. It can't even do 1080p in Last of Us. 2023: the year of 720p @ $300, yo!
It is the ultimate reflection of Enthusiast market! It is a card that is outdated before it is even released.
We tell people all the time that you can't really future proof a computer, the technology moves to fast. Now you can't even present proof it. Your equipment will come pre-outdated!

Edit: I only have to wonder, can it run Crysis?
 
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Heartbreaker

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No, because the 7600 isn't on Navi 34 and has more shaders than the 6600.

The 4060 is on the AD-107 die, when the 3060 was on GA-106, the 2060 on TU-106, etc.

That's even more ridiculously off the deep end of nerdish nonsense. You are now futzing about the name of the GPU die.
 

Ranulf

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The first time I saw a screenshot from somebody on social media I thought it was a joke, but then I stumbled on the tweet from their official account:

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Fun times, marketing go Brrrrrrrr... !

Ahh, Nvidia's new sponsored game showcase for RT. What you really want for Darktide though is DLSS even without ray tracing. Minimum specs though says a gtx 970 or rx 570.
 

Heartbreaker

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The first time I saw a screenshot from somebody on social media I thought it was a joke, but then I stumbled on the tweet from their official account:

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Fun times, marketing go Brrrrrrrr... !

NVidia marketing really annoys me. They have flooded YT with Frame Generations comparisons for practically ever game that has DLSS3. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised they stoop to 0 FPS claim...
 

Saylick

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NVidia marketing really annoys me. They have flooded YT with Frame Generations comparisons for practically ever game that has DLSS3. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised they stoop to 0 FPS claim...
Inb4 DLSS4 where they allocate even more die area to the Optical Flow Accelerator and now Frame Generation can do >1 interpolated frame between key frames. If it could do 2 in-between frames, it nets you 50% more fps than DLSS3. 3 in-between frames doubles the fps over DLSS3.

I'm going to really love the moment we see people enjoy 100 fps that has the latency of 25 native fps. /s
 
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gdansk

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Inb4 DLSS4 where they allocate even more die area to the Optical Flow Accelerator and now Frame Generation can do >1 interpolated frame between key frames. If it could do 2 in-between frames, it nets you 50% more fps than DLSS3. 3 in-between frames doubles the fps over DLSS3.

I'm going to really love the moment we see people enjoy 100 fps that has the latency of 25 native fps. /s
Oh you're thinking small. DLSS4 will include game flow prediction. The NVidia data-center-on-a-chip will generate future frames using AI to predict your inputs based on other players and display the results before you even pressed the button. Negative latency! Available for only $10/mo.
 
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maddie

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Oh you're thinking small. DLSS4 will include game flow prediction. The NVidia data-center-on-a-chip will generate future frames using AI to predict your inputs based on other players and display the results before you even pressed the button. Negative latency! Available for only $10/mo.
Precog games, here there come.
 

Saylick

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Oh you're thinking small. DLSS4 will include game flow prediction. The NVidia data-center-on-a-chip will generate future frames using AI to predict your inputs based on other players and display the results before you even pressed the button. Negative latency! Available for only $10/mo.
"Our AI neural network is trained on a bank of professional gamers! Trust that you will have the biggest competitive advantage with Nvidia Game Flow!"
 
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