NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[maddie]

"Influencers are paid to scam users into buying an inferior product."

that's a statement of fact, not of opinion, as I read it. Statements of fact are legally actionable if untrue.

Do you believe that's literally true, that AMD products are inferior, and that the only users to buy them are scammed by influencers?

I believe the sentence is true. The assumption that AMD is the inferior product is reader inference. It's never stated directly and anyhow the term "inferior" is very subjective, as many here will agree with it. Power? DLSS3? Whether you I agree is not important, some do.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So you don't believe that AMD GPUs have any intrinsic redeeming values, and that every AMD buyer was scammed into buying an "inferior" solution by an influencer? I feel sorry for U.

 

[Aapje]

Wild. Is that site run by one guy with a chip on his shoulder?

Yes, Userbenchmark and their sister sites (all run by the same person) are notorious for the owner hating AMD and gaming benchmarks so AMD loses to Intel and Nvidia. At one point AMD was better at code using many cores and the site weighed their benchmarks so that performance tests that use more than 4 cores counted for almost nothing.

See:

They are so dodgy that they've even been banned from the Intel reddit, because this level of pro-Intel shilling actually made Intel look bad.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Userbenchmark feels like performance art at this point. It's wild that anyone would read that page and take anythinf seriously with that kind of editorializing.

Wonder if it's just one of those "let's push the boundaries and see when people will blink... Wait... They're not blinking"

Kind of think.

 

[gdansk]

And worse even if AMD was truly doing that it still doesn't warrant recommending the 4060 Ti 8GB at $400.

 

[tajoh111]

What's false? How it's presented is free speech, no?

I think the 6800 is a very good card and I don't know why the someone would want crap on it at it current pricing but I think people are being tricked into buying the 7600 out of hate. Its just as bad as the RTX 4060 TI. Both cards need to sit on shelves but in some ways, the RX 7600 is the worse offender based on performance.

There is a good chance buyers of these cards could be 2 generation own and have an rx 5600 XT or RTX 2060 super. This is because these cards were 279 and 399 respectively.

This is even more likely because the mining craze made the successors of these cards have a street price well over 50% higher than these prices. Last gen was very skippable, if you owned these cards, particularly the RX 5600 XT since the rx 6600 was only 6 to 10% faster than a 5600xt for a 50 dollar increase.

However if we actually look at the performance of the 7600 and RTX 4060 ti, the 7600 is 42.8/37% improvement at 1080p/1440p if we go buy something like techpowerup charts vs the 5600xt. The RTX 4060 ti on the other hand is 61.3%/58.7% faster at 1080p/1440p resolutions than an RTX 2060 super.

The RX 7600 should be getting just as much hate because your only getting a 40% increase over the course of 2 generations. People say the RTX 4060 ti is really an RTX 4050 considering the die but look at the performance and the RTX 4060 ti is literally 100% faster than a RTX 3050. This absolutely insane double standards is absurd and just helps AMD get hate buys when AMD is doing the same thing. Both cards need to sit on shelves for buying conditions to improve.

 

[gdansk]

I think the 6800 is a very good card and I don't know why the someone would want crap on it at it current pricing but I think people are being tricked into buying the 7600 out of hate. Its just as bad as the RTX 4060 TI. Both cards need to sit on shelves but in some ways, the RX 7600 is the worse offender based on performance.

There is a good chance buyers of these cards could be 2 generation own and have an rx 5600 XT or RTX 2060 super. This is because these cards were 279 and 399 respectively.

This is even more likely because the mining craze made the successors of these cards have a street price well over 50% higher than these prices. Last gen was very skippable, if you owned these cards, particularly the RX 5600 XT since the rx 6600 was only 6 to 10% faster than a 5600xt for a 50 dollar increase.

However if we actually look at the performance of the 7600 and RTX 4060 ti, the 7600 is 42.8/37% improvement at 1080p/1440p if we go buy something like techpowerup charts vs the 5600xt. The RTX 4060 ti on the other hand is 61.3%/58.7% faster at 1080p/1440p resolutions than an RTX 2060 super.

The RX 7600 should be getting just as much hate because your only getting a 40% increase over the course of 2 generations. People say the RTX 4060 ti is really an RTX 4050 considering the die but look at the performance and the RTX 4060 ti is literally 100% faster than a RTX 3050. This absolutely insane double standards is absurd and just helps AMD get hate buys when AMD is doing the same thing. Both cards need to sit on shelves for buying conditions to improve.

I agree with the core of this post - neither RX 7600 or RTX 4060 Ti 8GB should sell at current prices. But I don't think many people are buying an RX 7600. So why worry/complain about something that isn't going to happen? The "I hate Nvidia" people are being pushed to decent products at reasonable prices (discounted N21 and N22) not the N33 dud.

 

[maddie]

So you don't believe that AMD GPUs have any intrinsic redeeming values, and that every AMD buyer was scammed into buying an "inferior" solution by an influencer? I feel sorry for U.

Do you or can you understand what I'm saying? Do you understand the concept of free speech? What one thinks only applies to oneself, as others can have a different opinion. This is a values argument, not a physical theory that can be objectively tested.

Do I have to openly proclaim my allegiance to whatever? Believing in free choice and also being able to argue with said choice is not contradictory, at least to me.

I don't know if you're trying to get me to say what you or I feel, but I definitely won't now. Social pressure has never worked on me. I still have faith, naively maybe, that reason will win in the end. Today's world however is depressingly dumb for critical thinking.

 

[Heartbreaker]

DF review a bit late, says pretty much the same as others.

 

[Mopetar]

Can AMD sue UserBenchmark? That's some pretty LOL-worthy WTF stuff.

Sure, anyone can sue anybody. Whether they have a case or not is another thing, but even if they did, it's probably not worth it because it just draws attention to a crank that no one really takes seriously.

Wild. Is that site run by one guy with a chip on his shoulder?

My pet theory is that Lisa Su ran over his dog.

 

[Ranulf]

The RX 7600 should be getting just as much hate because your only getting a 40% increase over the course of 2 generations. People say the RTX 4060 ti is really an RTX 4050 considering the die but look at the performance and the RTX 4060 ti is literally 100% faster than a RTX 3050. This absolutely insane double standards is absurd and just helps AMD get hate buys when AMD is doing the same thing. Both cards need to sit on shelves for buying conditions to improve.

While both are bad. One card is selling for $399, the other $270. Though AMD was clearly were trying for $300 till the $299 4060 announcement. Neither card is impressive and there are better alternatives at least. Both cards should be around $200-230 right now given market conditions, regardless of inflationary forces. I'm now convinced the only real deal right now is the 6600 cards if you have to go new for 1080p. That or go up a tier in perf and price. All stuff one could have done for the last 5-7 months. Whole lotta nothing going on in gpu right now besides price gouging.

Also, when Nvidia compares the 4060ti to the 2060 Super and then bases a lot of that on DLSS 3.0, I take that as a bigger insult. It was especially hilarious when their own slides show the 2060S still hitting 60+ fps at 1080p high. Not a real enticement to upgrade just yet there. Those numbers kinda prove the benefit of having a larger memory bus. But hey, DLSS does prove its worth for older cards no doubt.

 

[Aapje]

My pet theory is that Lisa Su ran over his dog.

He's the John Wick of nerds.

 

[Aapje]

While both are bad. One card is selling for $399, the other $270.

Exactly and that is also why I expect the 4060 to sell at least decently.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Glad I got scammed into buying a 6700 XT that actually loads the textures in The Last of Us and Reqiuem instead of the 3060 Ti I was also looking at that sometimes doesnt.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Also man wish I was getting a check for constantly pointing out online how AMD sucks less than Nvidia on pretty much every level other than the very top of the product stack with the 4090. At least for gaming.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Also man wish I was getting a check for constantly pointing out online how AMD sucks less than Nvidia on pretty much every level other than the very top of the product stack with the 4090. At least for gaming.

If by every other Level, you mean only Raster performance, then sure, every level...

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If by every other Level, you mean only Raster performance, then sure, every level...

Sorry Karen, I meant at every price level

 

[IEC]

der8auer tested the 4060 Ti on a PCIe 3.0 system.

Spoiler: It gets half the effective bandwidth as the 3060 Ti, making it a questionable value proposition (at least in the USA).

 

[Aapje]

Spoiler: It gets half the effective bandwidth as the 3060 Ti, making it a questionable value proposition (at least in the USA).

But the effect on game FPS seems minimal. It's more of an issue for miners (they still exist).

 

[BFG10K]

If by every other Level, you mean only Raster performance, then sure, every level...

When NV runs out of VRAM, AMD's faster in ray tracing. Pop over to the 8GB thread - you'll see plenty of examples.

 

[CakeMonster]

The PCIE limitation is very frustrating, I know of several people with very solid PCIE3 systems that would normally consider the xx60 tier, like Intel gen 8-10, or older Zen.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Sorry Karen, I meant at every price level

Are you really resorting to childish insults?

Price level for what? Again what it comes down to is more Raster performance at the price level.

But worse RT performance, worse AI performance, worse application performance, worse encoder performance.

I know the AMD fanboys like to paint everyone that buys NVidia cards as an idiot because they didn't buy the cheaper AMD card, but that entirely discounts the extras NVidia offers.

 

[NTMBK]

But the effect on game FPS seems minimal. It's more of an issue for miners (they still exist).

It makes texture pop in issues even worse. If you have half the bandwidth, you'll be waiting twice as long for textures to stream in- so it's especially problematic if you didn't have enough VRAM to begin with.

 

[Heartbreaker]

der8auer tested the 4060 Ti on a PCIe 3.0 system.

Spoiler: It gets half the effective bandwidth as the 3060 Ti, making it a questionable value proposition (at least in the USA).

It's little misleading and pointless to just say it gets half the PCI bandwidth (which is rather obvious with half the lanes) but what does it actually lose in game performance? 10%? 5%? Probably close to the latter.

Naturally those complaining about 8x PCIe now, can show your posts complaining about the 8X PCIe on the 6600 XT 8X PCIe for the same thing when it was released, back in 2021, when there were a lot less PCIe 4.0 MBs in the installed base?

I thought so.

 

[psolord]

Running a card below it's PCIe requirements, is not optimal for sure, but maybe it's not so bad.

I mean I have done successfull testing (and continuing doing so) with my PCIe 4.0 X8 rx6600 and a PCIe 2.0 Sandy Bridge from 2011. That means quarter bandwidth, amirite? And the worst part is not the bandwidth, it's the signal encoding. As a reminder, the PCIe 2.0 had 8b/10b encoding while on later revisions it went to 128b/130b. So it's far worse than just the quarter bandwidth.

You wouldn't believe the results tho. If anyone's interested here are a few of my latest tests. (non monetized)

Callisto Effin Protocol, runs at mostly 60fps at Ultra, with quite a few framedrops, but still...

The dispoken Forspoken, runs easily above 30fps at High, while OK it's too much cpu limited.

For the people that are fed up with the PC and want to get a console instead, keep in mind that this system existed for three years inside the PS3's life. Show me how the PS3 runs anything today, hmmm.....! The Callisto Protocol specifically runs at higher settings than Gen9 consoles, ok? And Forspoken runs better than all XBOXes combined and all Gen8 PS4s combined, if you get my drift....




Also in some indies, you can even have 4k with that PCI 2.0 bus. For example

Planet of Lana (god I mispelled that initially, almost good for another two week vacation xD)

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And some light Unreal Engine 5 games, like Layers of Fear

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This one has a nice effect at 12:35, where you play a record inside a haunted burnt room and the room gets restored in real time, essentially swapping all assets. Very cool.


In all the above, right next to the power draw of the card, is the bus load and it is very low in most instances. Although I don't understand how msi afterburner calculates the percentage here. I mean, what would be 100%? Too much bandwidth or too much IO requests?


Moreover, regarding PCI 3.0 vs PCI 4.0, I have a run of Plague Tale Requiem, on the PCIe 4.0 4070ti paired with the PCI 3.0 8600k.

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It runs like crazy and the system does not care. 100-120fps/Ultra no RT, without any framegen. And that's on the FIFTH most powerful card from the top. As a reminder, for the 60fps patch that just got available for the consoles, the game also runs at 1080p BUT at much lower settings. It was 1440p/30fps/medium everything/ultra textures, it is now 1080p/even lower settings than medium AND they have reduced the textures too. No RT in sight of course. I bet the 4060ti can do better than the consoles, even with it's meager 8GB framebuffer.


Just raising some awareness, for people that don't have a clue, what their money is worth, when buying PC parts.


So yeah, the 4060ti will be mostly fine with PCI 3.0 connectivity, except maybe those cases, where the user cranks everything to over 9000 and forces crazy pcie data swapping.