You forgot the vapor chamber...The only thing that's expensive about that cooler is the design work it took to create it, other then that it's just a 2 fan metal cooler. The AIB ones if anything will be more expensive as they are bigger heavier 3 fan designs.
Why do you think it is fake? These parasites hurt everyone but themselves. For every scalper that resells a card, its 100% lost revenue for nvidia, AIB and legit retailers.
I think it should be pretty easy to weed out the bots order by looking at how long it took to complete the online transactions because humans can't do that in under 1 second.
They are a very rich company and think that by now they should have their priorities straight as to what serves their best interests. I really doubt they would be interested in short term gains of card sales over their better-served interests of ensuring their customers are not left griping about their products, using or buying them or otherwise left with poor service or support.This is all lip-service. nVidia doesn't give a crap about bots, scalpers or miners. As long as the cards are selling it makes absolutely no different to nVidia where they end up.
I'm not making any moral judgement here, just stating facts.
This is all lip-service. nVidia doesn't give a crap about bots, scalpers or miners. As long as the cards are selling it makes absolutely no different to nVidia where they end up.
I'm not making any moral judgement here, just stating facts.
I think they simply misjudged the crazy appeal of their new cards in a period of crazed gamers with a revitalized or heightened passion for gaming in lockdown. Plus logistic issues in getting large amounts of inventory through the supply chains to retailers during the covid era.
The one number GN was able to quote was a System Integrator, and they sold 900 systems with Ampere cards, so I think your estimate is a bit light.
I think it took everyone by surprise.
Newegg said their volumes were higher than Black Friday that morning. That's crazy.
Think about that. Black Friday is the biggest sale of the year when everything is on sale. This is just one expensive GPU, which is kind of a niche product.
They also said they had 'limited inventory' which, being one of the biggest computer component stores in the U.S., doesn't make it seem like there was that many to go around but without an actual number we obviously can't say for sure. One of the AIBs said that retailers should be getting more cards a few days after launch, let's see how many they get.
You would expect 'unlimited inventory'? I know the narrative for some, is that NVidia is always the bad guy, but GN video makes it clear from multiple sources this was NOT a paper launch, and that it had normal stock levels for a launch. It's the demand that was clearly off the charts this time.
Of course not, but I also wouldn't expect a retailer to specifically call out limited inventory as well if they had a lot of cards to sell. As I said in a previous post, it is impossible to know what the actual launch numbers are, no matter what sources someone may have at certain AIBs. What will really be telling is the next few weeks.
Better to launch with low supply and if anybody asks just say the pent up demand was way greater then anticipated.
I agree, that knowing the number is impossible, but talking to multiple suppliers, AIBs, SIs, as GN did, and you get a consistent response that they had numbers typical for a launch, then it's not unreasonable, to use that as our assumed point unless/until better info comes along.
We also have multiple sources indicating demand was off the charts. So again that is also reasonable information to add to the picture.
Two reasonable pieces of information: Normal Stock level for a Launch, and unprecedented demand.
And those are the points I made, while countering those using made up lowball numbers to estimate the unknowable...
People are just trying to rationalize being told stock level was normal, but people being able to find cards was far below normal. With large demand, obviously most who wanted one won't get one, but normally there are still at least a couple dozen people on a forum like this who are able to score a card and a RTX3000 owner's thread is started. How many people on this forum were able to get a card on launch day? Pretty much every forum I've checked, there is an unusually small number of people who were actually able to buy a card. On either Reddit or hard a poster mentioned how the largest retailer in their country had a total of 10 cards, for the whole country. Granted it was a smaller market, but still, 10 was again unusually low.
The vast majority of cards aren't sold on launch day, it's done in the subsequent weeks. If Nvidia does have even normal amounts of supply, we'll know soon enough.
That may be true, but another way of looking at it, is that the market was taking care of things. High demand, low/lower-supply, you would expect that third-parties would step in to absorb that extra "value" in the market. And obviously, that's what we're seeing.Clearly no shortage on Ebay. 2020 is the year of the Scalper.
Clearly no shortage on Ebay. 2020 is the year of the Scalper.
I actually expect the same thing to happen with the 3060/3070, too.
Demand being insane isn't surprising. You essentially can get something that outperforms the previous high end card by a fair bit for almost half the price.
If you look at the TPU review it pretty much is twice the performance per dollar at 4K. Maybe it's only that good because of Turing prices being so ridiculous, but that's just the reality of what's available and at what price it can be had for.
Even if NVidia did have 100k cards for launch, would things look too much different? Maybe more gamers would have cards, but it doesn't change the relative value difference that makes the scalping profitable.
Hehe. I too will shed tears for all those poor gamers who couldn't get the latest candy at the store. So unfair!People are making up numbers. The truth is they had roughly the same amount of cards as the 2080 launch and yes, they sold out in seconds online. My local Microcenter had a line of about 100 people at 6 a.m. and store employees went down the line and gave about 25 people vouchers before telling everyone else they would have to come back another time. Demand is unprecedented, yes, there were automated bot networks that screwed folks, yes there are dozens of people posting pics of their new cards that arrived this week on Reddit and other places proving people got real cards and it is not a paper launch or some 5,000 card launch, yes there are shipments of many thousands of cards arriving every few days from overseas and inventories will improve, no Nvidia did not game the system for whatever conspiracy theories, yes the could do a better job to prevent automated checkout on their site, no they don['t owe us anything they are a business and should not held to a different standard than Scotts toilet paper or Logitech webcams (which are still hard to buy and sell out quickly).
What is it these days that everything is some damn conspiracy to people? People have lost all common sense and reasoning. They turn giant corporations into heroes and villians. Fanboyism has been around forever, but WTF people. Paper launch!! Paper Launch!! WAAAA. Get over yourselves. Nvidia wants to make and sell as many cards as they can to make MONAY. THat is what pleases investors. Not "perception of demand," and other nonsense. No business in their right mind will screw around with something like this to "create perceptions" and stuff. Their goal is to SELL AS MANY CARDS AS POSSIBLE. If you can't get a card, well, you're not alone. You would be sold a card right now if they could sell it to you.
The decline in intelligence in this community is remarkable. But I guess (looking around the state of the world right now) it is to be expected.
The decline in intelligence in this community is remarkable. But I guess (looking around the state of the world right now) it is to be expected.