Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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IEC

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Just a cool $10000 for your RTX 6000 Pro Blackwell GPU with the full fat GB202 die.

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He calls it 12V High Failure power connector
TERRIBLE coil whine when under load
Puts RTX 5090 owners in their place - tells them they got the "garbage" (i.e. reject dies) with their $2000 mid-range GPU.
Efficiency at 75% power limit is quite impressive. Better than 5090 stock performance while using 100-150W less.

 

gdansk

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tells them they got the "garbage" (i.e. reject dies) with their $2000 mid-range GPU.
even the RTX Pro 6000 is slightly cut down (only 4SM or 13% of an RTX 5060).
I wonder what Nvidia is doing with the occasional lucky chip with all working SM.
 

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even the RTX Pro 6000 is slightly cut down (only 4SM or 13% of an RTX 5060).
I wonder what Nvidia is doing with the occasional lucky chip with all working SM.

Unless they are planning on releasing a dual 12HWPWR card, nothing probably. The 6000 is power limited as it is.
 

gdansk

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I can't wait when AIBs turn their attention to AMD and Intel cards because there's no longer enough supply from Nvidia. I see good days ahead.
I wouldn't be so optimistic. Nvidia supplies 85% of the discrete graphics card market. If they cut production 30% and AMD increases production 30%, we're still short on supply by more than 20% of what it used to be. And if demand hasn't dropped, what happens to prices?
 
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Nvidia supplies 85% of the discrete graphics card market. If they cut production 30% and AMD increases production 30%, we're still short on supply by more than 20% of what it used to be.
Intel and AMD will increase their wafer orders because someone's gotta keep the hungry gamers fed, right? Intel and AMD cards not that in demand for AI because CUDA so what else can they do but order more wafers for consumer cards and try to cause a dent in Nvidia's marketshare?
 

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Intel and AMD will increase their wafer orders because someone's gotta keep the hungry gamers fed, right? Intel and AMD cards not that in demand for AI because CUDA so what else can they do but order more wafers for consumer cards and try to cause a dent in Nvidia's marketshare?
AMD would rather sell Zen or MI. Intel would rather sell nothing than lose money. No one has to do crap for gamers.

If it true that Nvidia is cutting production then there is still no more reason for AMD to increase production. And the supply v. demand problem may worsen.
 
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AMD would rather sell Zen or MI.
But there's a saturation point for both of those. The Zen owners will want a GPU to go with their CPU and not everyone wants an MI even if it is priced better or faster. Nvidia got lucky with AI thanks to their headstart with CUDA development. Those familiar with CUDA and seriously in the midst of their AI research have no time to qualify MI for their workloads. Otherwise, Deepseek would've been done on MI.
 

IEC

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But there's a saturation point for both of those. The Zen owners will want a GPU to go with their CPU and not everyone wants an MI even if it is priced better or faster. Nvidia got lucky with AI thanks to their headstart with CUDA development. Those familiar with CUDA and seriously in the midst of their AI research have no time to qualify MI for their workloads. Otherwise, Deepseek would've been done on MI.
$10000 for a prosumer GPU or $20000 for a AI/DC GPU versus $2000 for similar gaming GPU. Yeah, I know where I'd allocate my wafers.

Hint: nVidia is cutting GeForce production to allocate more wafers towards the high margin parts.

AMD: They could sell 357mm^2 dies for <$600 (9070XT) or they could sell a lot more Zen5 chiplets using the same wafer for a lot more profit. Or sell MI300 chips for even more profit. Hmm, I wonder what I would make...

Unless/until AI and datacenter demand level off or decrease it's going to be bad times for people seeking chips for gaming. Because I bet a lot of RTX 5090 cards are going to AI/ML rigs rather than gaming rigs.
 
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