Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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IEC

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Just a cool $10000 for your RTX 6000 Pro Blackwell GPU with the full fat GB202 die.

Highlights:
He calls it 12V High Failure power connector
TERRIBLE coil whine when under load
Puts RTX 5090 owners in their place - tells them they got the "garbage" (i.e. reject dies) with their $2000 mid-range GPU.
Efficiency at 75% power limit is quite impressive. Better than 5090 stock performance while using 100-150W less.

 

gdansk

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tells them they got the "garbage" (i.e. reject dies) with their $2000 mid-range GPU.
even the RTX Pro 6000 is slightly cut down (only 4SM or 13% of an RTX 5060).
I wonder what Nvidia is doing with the occasional lucky chip with all working SM.
 

jpiniero

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even the RTX Pro 6000 is slightly cut down (only 4SM or 13% of an RTX 5060).
I wonder what Nvidia is doing with the occasional lucky chip with all working SM.

Unless they are planning on releasing a dual 12HWPWR card, nothing probably. The 6000 is power limited as it is.
 
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I can't wait when AIBs turn their attention to AMD and Intel cards because there's no longer enough supply from Nvidia. I see good days ahead.
 

gdansk

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I can't wait when AIBs turn their attention to AMD and Intel cards because there's no longer enough supply from Nvidia. I see good days ahead.
I wouldn't be so optimistic. Nvidia supplies 85% of the discrete graphics card market. If they cut production 30% and AMD increases production 30%, we're still short on supply by more than 20% of what it used to be. And if demand hasn't dropped, what happens to prices?
 
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Nvidia supplies 85% of the discrete graphics card market. If they cut production 30% and AMD increases production 30%, we're still short on supply by more than 20% of what it used to be.
Intel and AMD will increase their wafer orders because someone's gotta keep the hungry gamers fed, right? Intel and AMD cards not that in demand for AI because CUDA so what else can they do but order more wafers for consumer cards and try to cause a dent in Nvidia's marketshare?
 

gdansk

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Intel and AMD will increase their wafer orders because someone's gotta keep the hungry gamers fed, right? Intel and AMD cards not that in demand for AI because CUDA so what else can they do but order more wafers for consumer cards and try to cause a dent in Nvidia's marketshare?
AMD would rather sell Zen or MI. Intel would rather sell nothing than lose money. No one has to do crap for gamers.

If it true that Nvidia is cutting production then there is still no more reason for AMD to increase production. And the supply v. demand problem may worsen.
 
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AMD would rather sell Zen or MI.
But there's a saturation point for both of those. The Zen owners will want a GPU to go with their CPU and not everyone wants an MI even if it is priced better or faster. Nvidia got lucky with AI thanks to their headstart with CUDA development. Those familiar with CUDA and seriously in the midst of their AI research have no time to qualify MI for their workloads. Otherwise, Deepseek would've been done on MI.
 

IEC

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But there's a saturation point for both of those. The Zen owners will want a GPU to go with their CPU and not everyone wants an MI even if it is priced better or faster. Nvidia got lucky with AI thanks to their headstart with CUDA development. Those familiar with CUDA and seriously in the midst of their AI research have no time to qualify MI for their workloads. Otherwise, Deepseek would've been done on MI.
$10000 for a prosumer GPU or $20000 for a AI/DC GPU versus $2000 for similar gaming GPU. Yeah, I know where I'd allocate my wafers.

Hint: nVidia is cutting GeForce production to allocate more wafers towards the high margin parts.

AMD: They could sell 357mm^2 dies for <$600 (9070XT) or they could sell a lot more Zen5 chiplets using the same wafer for a lot more profit. Or sell MI300 chips for even more profit. Hmm, I wonder what I would make...

Unless/until AI and datacenter demand level off or decrease it's going to be bad times for people seeking chips for gaming. Because I bet a lot of RTX 5090 cards are going to AI/ML rigs rather than gaming rigs.
 

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This is such a cutesy card! https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-introduces-rtx-5060-inspire-itx-ultra-compact-14-5-cm-single-fan-gpu

I hope someone releases something like this on the AMD side with at least 12GB VRAM.
Great for new HTPC builds, but it is going to have bandwidth issues in older HTPCs, and popular/meme, office and workstation to gaming PC conversions.

We do need more ITX and LP offerings for sure. The open box 3050 6GB was the only $150 and under card worth buying when I was looking. Hell, under $300 for that matter. Being slot powered was the cherry on top. I've had a LP 6400 and ITX A380, it is much better than either of those. Insert the poke it with a stick - "come on do something" meme for AMD and Intel.
 

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Possibly a July Launch for the 5050. It's the full GB207 so 20 SMs (less than 4060 desktop).

For some reason they are considering using GDDR7 instead of GDDR6 but would be mostly a waste.

Hopefully they will have the good sense to keep it OEM only.
I'd rather have GDDR6 if it knocks $20+ off the price of a card. A 2560 core 5050 is unlikely to benefit much from the 448Gbps the 5060 has, just toss a half decent grade of GDDR6 on it.

Nothing wrong with releasing it to the mass market IMO. $250 might be pushing it with the 5060 readily available at $300, but at $229 it's a pretty reasonable budget GPU.
 
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Just a cool $10000 for your RTX 6000 Pro Blackwell GPU with the full fat GB202 die.

Highlights:
He calls it 12V High Failure power connector
TERRIBLE coil whine when under load
Puts RTX 5090 owners in their place - tells them they got the "garbage" (i.e. reject dies) with their $2000 mid-range GPU.
Efficiency at 75% power limit is quite impressive. Better than 5090 stock performance while using 100-150W less.


Now NV need a $5000 titan version which is the full die but only paired with 32GB of VRAM so it is far less useful for AI stuff.

Wonder if Adam would upgrade to such a part
 
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They can just put out a raster focused version with OK raytracing and no tensor cores for the purist gamers but they don't care about that. Would rather shove overpriced garbage down gamers' throats with fake frames because they know their userbase will grumble a bit but still pay for the privilege.
 

utahraptor

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I'm just gonna say after a couple months or so having my 5090 versus the 4090 I gave to my nephew, I kind of miss the 4090. I still have a graphics driver crash if I minimize vmware horizon view for work to adjust music or browse web. Those crashes take like 5 minutes to recover from and I have to log back in for work. Also HDR in general is fucked for KODI videos. Most of them are completely washed out, well maybe 50%. for the 4090 everything just worked. nothing works all the time for 5090. Its a complete shit show.
 

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i listened some podcast or other (it might have been techtechpotato w chipsncheese) and the conjecture/rumor was that jensen told his ai/compute head that they had whatever companywide resources available to get the next gen out the door asap. so they could effectively snatch any engineer/software/scientist they wanted from any other division/team. with key personnel transferred out, gaming and driver teams were left with skeleton crews trying to get stuff out on the normal deadline as having a full team.

if true it would explain a lot about the absolute failure of this launch/product.
 
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i listened some podcast or other (it might have been techtechpotato w chipsncheese) and the conjecture/rumor was that jensen told his ai/compute head that they had whatever companywide resources available to get the next gen out the door asap.
Must really be afraid of the competition getting hotter from the other industry players in AI.
 
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