Nvidia likely response to Vega

[Arachnotronic]

Sad time to be a PC gamer with the current GPU, RAM and SSD prices.

I guess wifey and I will be hanging on to our Skylake i7s with gtx 970 and 1060's for a while. Was hoping I could snatch 1080 performance for $400.

Mining has really screwed up the market for gaming GPUs.

It sucks.

 

[Elixer]

If anything, Nvidia would send AMD a bottle of wine, and a thank you note.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

NV is going to keep chugging like its business at usual.

Their biggest competitor is market saturation from their own cards at this point.

 

[sandorski]

THe 56 is the only real "threat". Nvidia can wait it out to see what effect it might have.

 

[Peicy]

There is no need to respond in any way other than to keep selling their superior product. The same thing they have been doing for the past year.

That implies that they can take their time to launch Volta. And once they do that, Vega will be a 480/1060-esque chip at a 500sqmm die-size. Ughhhh this is such a horrible thought.

 

[beginner99]

THe 56 is the only real "threat". Nvidia can wait it out to see what effect it might have.

A threat insofar as it is too inefficient to be considered by miners and might be the only viable and affordable "high-end" GPU for gamers for the upcoming weeks-month.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Champagne and caviar?

 

[raghu78]

There is no need to respond in any way other than to keep selling their superior product. The same thing they have been doing for the past year.

That implies that they can take their time to launch Volta. And once they do that, Vega will be a 480/1060-esque chip at a 500sqmm die-size. Ughhhh this is such a horrible thought.

Well said. A 240-250 sq mm GTX 2060 which performs in between GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 and draws 120w will sell for USD 250. AMD will struggle to make money from Rx Vega 56 if its priced anywhere close to even USD 300 given its 484 sq mm die size and costly HBM2 memory. 2018 is going to downright ugly for AMD. Nvidia is headed for > 80% market share like they did in Maxwell generation.

 

[AtenRa]

NVIDIA response will be almost the same as the GTX8800 vs HD2900 time, no need to launch a new architecture for the next 2 years. They dont need to rush to release Volta and they definitely dont need to price it lower than GP102/104/106.

 

[beginner99]

NVIDIA response will be almost the same as the GTX8800 vs HD2900 time, no need to launch a new architecture for the next 2 years. They dont need to rush to release Volta and they definitely dont need to price it lower than GP102/104/106.

To be fair, the interview with NV Jensen Huang before vega release already gave a clear hint volta consumer will almost certainly be Q2 2018. So June 2018 will be almost 2 years for Pascal.

 

[railven]

NV is probably going to keep the current system they got in place. Though, I'd recommend they mimic Kepler a little more than they did Maxwell/Pascal. While it's all marketing, and what not, the end result is still the same but you get the "ohhhh ahhhhh" effect.

What I mean is:
GK104 - GTX 680
GK110 - GTX 780

Two "generations" in the two year window using the same chip, versus

GM104 - GTX 980
GM100 - GTX 980 Ti
GP104 - GTX 1080
GP102 - GTX 1080 Ti

Makes it feel like a longer time frame because the chips are in the same "generation".

Anyways, that's just fluff but again, "ohhhh ahhhh"

 

[philosofool]

1070 pulls 31mh/s while dual mining @ ~ 110w. It's literally twice as efficient as Vega.

Yeah, but time is money. Performance per watt isn't what determines return. Suppose that it costs $30 a month to run a 1070 and $40 a month to mine with a Vega 56,* the only question is whether you make more than $10 additional dollars with a Vega 56 (and any additional cost in paying for the more expensive card.) If so, use the 56; otherwise, the 1070.

*Basing these numbers on quick https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator calculations; but the basic point stands regardless of what the actual figures are. Over a finite period of time, efficiency doesn't not necessarily maximize profits.

 

[ozzy702]

Yeah, but time is money. Performance per watt isn't what determines return. Suppose that it costs $30 a month to run a 1070 and $40 a month to mine with a Vega 56,* the only question is whether you make more than $10 additional dollars with a Vega 56 (and any additional cost in paying for the more expensive card.) If so, use the 56; otherwise, the 1070.

*Basing these numbers on quick https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator calculations; but the basic point stands regardless of what the actual figures are. Over a finite period of time, efficiency doesn't not necessarily maximize profits.

You're not looking at the big picture, not even half of it. PSU/available power and heat are factors, heat being a wall that you run up against really quickly. Efficiency matters.

 

[JoeRambo]

Sad time to be a PC gamer with the current GPU, RAM and SSD prices.

Yeah ... Kinda perfect storm. Pricing of those components is ridiculous and makes me wanna cry when i remember all cool DDR3 2400, PRO840 etc bought for fraction of current prices for comparable components. Heck, even "basic" RAM like 3200CL16 is insanely priced lately

 

[tential]

When will we have the first indication that gsync / freesync are built into the display spec and are auto supported? Is that possible with Volta or is that going to be next gen?

 

[IntelUser2000]

Yeah, but time is money. Performance per watt isn't what determines return.

You could have also got a GTX 1070 13 months ago and started mining since then.

Better: Get Polaris and do it 12 months ago but with half the price per card.

Mining or gaming being more than a year late is a fail. Those who say being late isn't are just making excuses.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Sad time to be a PC gamer with the current GPU, RAM and SSD prices.

 

[Oasmcler]

Champagne and caviar?

I like it

 

[iBoMbY]

NVidia isn't really interested in the gaming business anymore, as they are fully focused on their new AI core business now. Their "Volta" GPUs for gamers will be a Pascal shrink at best, and not before Q2/2018, probably not even using GDDR6.

 

[Qwertilot]

Stop being silly They're very interested in money, and gaming is hugely profitable for them. Give it 5 to 10 more years and maybe!

The data center/AI stuff will definitely get the new stuff much sooner than gaming going forwards as the margins & prices in that market can support it. Hence making giant chips with very low yields, fiddly stuff like HBM etc etc.

 

[cytg111]

Sad time to be a PC gamer with the current GPU, RAM and SSD prices.

I guess wifey and I will be hanging on to our Skylake i7s with gtx 970 and 1060's for a while. Was hoping I could snatch 1080 performance for $400.

You know what could be fun? If we made a miner or two that ran on ps4 and xb1 .. Its only fitting that the console crowd feels our pain.

 

[USER8000]

You're not looking at the big picture, not even half of it. PSU/available power and heat are factors, heat being a wall that you run up against really quickly. Efficiency matters.

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-vega-mining-block-chain-ethereum

AMD has started to release new drivers which increase mining performance.

 

[ozzy702]

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-vega-mining-block-chain-ethereum

AMD has started to release new drivers which increase mining performance.

I fully expect a custom ROM and optimized drivers/miner to pull ~ 40mh/s. That said, unless they can get power consumption down to a reasonable level the 1070 is still king because of it's efficiency which from what I have seen is over 2x the hash/watt Vega. For someone with a couple cards efficiency isn't a big deal. For someone running 10+ GPUs power consumption and the corresponding thermals are a much bigger consideration.

 

[LTC8K6]

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-vega-mining-block-chain-ethereum

AMD has started to release new drivers which increase mining performance.

What is the power use with that mining performance though?

I think NV will react to the 56 with a tweak to the 1070 of some sort.

 

[USER8000]

I fully expect a custom ROM and optimized drivers/miner to pull ~ 40mh/s. That said, unless they can get power consumption down to a reasonable level the 1070 is still king because of it's efficiency which from what I have seen is over 2x the hash/watt Vega. For someone with a couple cards efficiency isn't a big deal. For someone running 10+ GPUs power consumption and the corresponding thermals are a much bigger consideration.

What is the power use with that mining performance though?

I think NV will react to the 56 with a tweak to the 1070 of some sort.

I saw a post over on Overclockers UK forum,where a forum member managed to get 37MH/s using the new driver with the total system draw at the wall being 240W,by reducing the power limit and core clockspeed but overclocking the HBM2 a bit.