nVidia sucks - Omega

[Lonyo]

nVidia being more evil

Stopping Omega drivers for nVidia cards

ATi still being great though

Another reason to like ATi.

 

[Mem]

Stopping Omega drivers for nVidia cards

No big deal really,look at it from Nvidia`s point of view it`s their cards and drivers and they want full control over them,you really can`t blame Nvidia,besides there`s always lots of beta Nvidia drivers floating around.

 

[Lonyo]

Yeah, but ATi seem to endorse it, so it seems to be an nVidia issue really.

Hell, ATi try and get concurrent releases.

 

[hominid skull]

NVidia have had enough with people finding their optimisations..

 

[Mem]

Yeah, but ATi seem to endorse it, so it seems to be an nVidia issue really.

That`s besides the point,Nvidia will do what they think is best for their drivers not what ATi does.

I`ve never used Omega drivers anyway,never needed too.
Btw I don`t want to sound like I`m defending Nvidia,even if ATi stopped Omega drivers I would still have the same point of view.

 

[Schadenfroh]

does omega acutally alter the code? i thought he just presets the settings in the drivers for the users needs.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
does omega acutally alter the code? i thought he just presets the settings in the drivers for the users needs.

i believe he mixes and matches the driver sets to get optimal performance.

 

[Harabecw]

nVidia is getting too violent for my taste

 

[FearoftheNight]

lol interesting...i am slowing being pulled into the ati camp...everything i've seen lately is like
nvidia: " we are nvidia so if you don't like us u can suck it"
ati:" we care about u guys and we will try to improve our drivers"

=\...isn't this how nvidia came to be on top? by caring about their customers and consumers....i mean i've been a fan of nvidia since the first geforce....
thier new fx5900 is nice too....but their policies lately have been bothering me....

 

[Shamrock]

I dont blame NVidia myself. If someone makes a program, you dont want someone else altering it to suit their needs then redistributing it without permission. This is a big no no, even in Linux!

 

[Vonkhan]

... cant believe the nVIDIA fanboys wud go to this extent. Omega is ACTUALLY trying to make drivers to help us, the consumers ... free of charge ... so that our video cards run better!

what is he doing thats wrong???

i CANT believe that u can NOT be atleat a lil' bit pissed at nVIDIA!

If some1 was trying to make life easier for me by improving some product, i would want him to & appreciate it! instead, the company that wants "full control" says "no no no ... u cant do that". who loses? YOU DO!


lordie lordie lordie, i cant believe this!

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
lol interesting...i am slowing being pulled into the ati camp...everything i've seen lately is like
nvidia: " we are nvidia so if you don't like us u can suck it"
ati:" we care about u guys and we will try to improve our drivers"

here is what nvidia and ati REALLY say

Nvidia: "i will take your money"
ATI: "I will take your money"

neither company cares about us guys

they care about our money

and both would kill us all in our sleep and take our organs if the return on investment was goodenough and they could get away with it.

 

[Vonkhan]

Nvidia: "i will take your money ... u dont have a choice but to use our drivers becuz i want full frikkin control"

ATI: "I will take your money ... but since i already have your money, who cares! feel free to use whatever drivers suit u best"

 

[Killrose]

I see nothing wrong with Omega making a driver for the enthusiast crowd. Nvidia should just let it go. They must figure some of the cheating was discovered in the Omega camp maybe?

People like to have fun with their computers, tweaking and toying around with every hardware aspect of them. Why not let someone like Omega promote a good looking, performing third party driver that might be tweaked version(s) of the origional to satisfy the enthusiast?

Never tried them myself, but I hear they offer superior IQ, with some performance hits and/or fix some problems with drivers that may otherwise never pass WHQL certification with the Omega tweaks.

 

[rbV5]

Nvidia: "i will take your money"
ATI: "I will take your money"

neither company cares about us guys

Well, here's what ATI really had to say (from the link above):
ATI's statement about Omega's DH ATI drivers
I just had a chat with Terry over in Kentucky, he is at the Million Man Lan event. And I was asking him about any concerns he may have about Omegas drivers. He wanted to get this out in the open.

Terry: " We are very pleased that gaming enthusiasts are interested in CATALYST and ATI product. We appreciate the efforts that Omega puts into providing alternatives to hardware enthusiasts. As such, Omega is one of the original members of the CATALYST beta testing program, and recently we have worked with him to help him provide Omega drivers on the same day as CATALYST's get posted. Although CATALYST is fully tested and fully supported by ATI, I dont feel that enthusiasts (that understand the risks involved) having an alternative to CATALYST is a bad thing. Thanks for the support to the ATI community Omega!"

Of course its what you do that really counts. nVidia threatens Omega, ATI has not. We'll see. Omega has been doing this (re-arranging driver sets basically) since 3DFX days, and does have an enthusiastic following from ATI, NV and 3DFX camps. I don't use his drivers, but don't see any problem with someone using them. Where I could see the reasoning for ATI bios locks, this smells different to me. Next they'll be hassling the rivatuner guy.

 

[nemesismk2]

ATI: "We will take your money, supply you with drivers which don't work so you'll be FORCED to use drivers supplied by some geeks with no guarantee they even f*cking work!"

I think I prefer Nvidia's idea of supplying official drivers which actually work!

 

[rbV5]

I think I prefer Nvidia's idea of supplying official drivers which actually work!

Hey thats good, I'll be installing a GF4 4200 in my budget gamer later this week. I do wonder however why NV would be so concerned with Omega since they're drivers are so damn good, why would anyone use them? and why would he bother throwing them together as there would be virtually no demand for them?

Oh, and btw ATI WHQL official drivers actually work great in my rigs, using Cat 3.5's and likin' them.

 

[Mem]

cant believe the nVIDIA fanboys wud go to this extent. Omega is ACTUALLY trying to make drivers to help us, the consumers ... free of charge ... so that our video cards run better!

what is he doing thats wrong???

i CANT believe that u can NOT be atleat a lil' bit pissed at nVIDIA!

Hard to be pissed off when I `ve never had any driver problems with Nvidia drivers (over 3 years now) besides as I said Nvidia have the right to have full control of their drivers just like any other company have the same right.

You can say Nvidia is the bad guy, but bottom line is it`s their drivers & they want to have full control over them.

 

[rbV5]

You can say Nvidia is the bad guy, but bottom line is it`s their drivers & they want to have full control over them.

Exactly! Hopefully, they'll get new NForce chipset drivers only compatable with NV video chips from now on, you know to exercise full control over them.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
ATI: "We will take your money, supply you with drivers which don't work so you'll be FORCED to use drivers supplied by some geeks with no guarantee they even f*cking work!"

I think I prefer Nvidia's idea of supplying official drivers which actually work!

*cough*official nForce 2.4x drivers*ahem*
The drivers worked SO well that people's computers couldn't handle the sheer speed, and so they just crashed. Now nVidia has given a file called "Recovery Instructions" to everyone. If you have System Restore, fine, you might be ok. If not, get ready for up to 21 steps to try to save your Windows install. Oopsies!

But anyway, Shamrock makes a good point:
I dont blame NVidia myself. If someone makes a program, you dont want someone else altering it to suit their needs then redistributing it without permission. This is a big no no, even in Linux!
It's their software. They should be able to exercise control over what's done with it.
Just reading the license agreement for the 44.03 Dets; some relevant stuff:

"No Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE is licensed as a single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer, nor otherwise used separately from the other parts."
So if the Omega's are "mix-and-match" collections of drivers, this here seems to forbid that.

"All title and copyrights in and to the SOFTWARE (including but not limited to all images, photographs, animations, video, audio, music, text, and other information incorporated into the SOFTWARE), the accompanying printed materials, and any copies of the SOFTWARE, are owned by NVIDIA, or its suppliers."
Stuff like logos maybe.

 

[Schadenfroh]

uhhh, i thought we were talking about video drivers, not nforce drivers.

they'll get new NForce chipset drivers only compatable with NV video chips from now on, you know to exercise full control over them.

omega does not make nforce drivers, omega quiting the nvidia driver business will have no affect on the nforce.

 

[FearoftheNight]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
lol interesting...i am slowing being pulled into the ati camp...everything i've seen lately is like
nvidia: " we are nvidia so if you don't like us u can suck it"
ati:" we care about u guys and we will try to improve our drivers"

here is what nvidia and ati REALLY say

Nvidia: "i will take your money"
ATI: "I will take your money"

neither company cares about us guys

they care about our money

and both would kill us all in our sleep and take our organs if the return on investment was goodenough and they could get away with it.

Well yea obviously. The the whole purpose of thier existence is for the cash. Yes...they are in business to MAKE MONEY. However, that doesn't mean you have to ignore and alienate your customers.

 

[Auric]

The company spends millions of rupees for hundreds of engineers to develop their software and is expected to be happy that some guy distributes a mish-mash of versions with an edited installation script? Granted, Nvidia does not support their customers' customers directly so perhaps should not be overly concerned or be too heavy handed enforcing their own rights in this regard but it is understandable. Besides a brief bit of bad "nerd press", it can only hurt the company to allow it to continue. Although the fact is that it cannot really be stopped as anyone can do it.

 

[SmuvMoney]

I could see nV's point more if they went after some other people:

* Unwinder: This is the developer of RivaTuner. He has also recently discovered some interesting things within nV's drivers about application and shader detection IIRC. If nV went after Omega, why would they not go after Unwinder? His work is more a ticking time bomb than anything Omega has done. Even though Omega may actually look at raw driver code, he doesn't manipulate it for this drivers. Unwinder IMHO is a lot more guilty of what nV is giving Omega grief about.

(P.S., no disrespect to Unwinder here - I am not trying to call him out as I respect his work. It just seems contradictory that nV would seek out Omega before Unwinder or not bother to go after him as well)

* Developers of other tweak software (GeforceTweak etc): If nV is willing to get truly anal, then shouldn't they go after other tweak developer or anyone who "dares" tweaks or alters any setting in any way? I do remember GeforceTweak having a nVidia logo on its splash screen. Will nV throw a "cease & desist" their way? I mean, where does the buck truly stop?

Just my $.002...

 

[VirginiaDonkey]

Unwinder is in Russia, so NVidia can't do anything. Unwinder has posted over at Forums about all of the cheats he has found, and NVidia cant do squat about it...unlike what they did to Futuremark.