NVIDIA Unleashes Detonator 40

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UlricT

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hey... have any of you guys tried benchmarking with a GF2 GTS? I havent seen much change, but was just wondering... maybe nvidia didnt focus on the extreme gamers this time...

 

Viper GTS

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There's definitely a big speed boost, NFSU is quite playable at 1024x768x32 with 4xS AA and 8X anisotropic filtering, where before it absolutely crawled with those settings.

The eye clinic took my contacts away from me so I can't see a damn thing, but what I can see looks good.

I'll reserve judgement on the image quality until I have contacts again, but so far I like it.

Viper GTS
 

Vinny N

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Originally posted by: UlricT
hey... have any of you guys tried benchmarking with a GF2 GTS? I havent seen much change, but was just wondering... maybe nvidia didnt focus on the extreme gamers this time...

I'm using the drivers with a Geforce 2 GTS.

Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project seems more playable at 1024x768.

I didn't notice any image quality issues, but that was probably because I went through all the driver options and made sure I turned on max anistropic and texture sharpening.

If I had a way to benchmark it in Duke, I would.

I should install War III again and see if I can play at a res higher than 1024x768 now
 

Slogun

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Still needs the freakin nvidia refresh fix.

Didn't like what it did for me. I applied the refresh fix and am still only getting 60fps in CS whereas I always get 99.

I don't feel like fooling with it anymore, rolled back the video driver, didn't fix it.
I did a system restore and am back to the 3.0.8.2 drivers and my 99fps.:|
 

Imported

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Wow.. What a jump in 3dMark2001SE :Q

Before, 29.42 with 290/630 on my Ti4200 - 11381

Now, 40.41 with 285/595 (Most Powerstrip would lemme do) - 13217

It's strange how Rivatuner won't let me OC my card with these new drivers though..

And using anything for refresh fixes still makes 1280x960 gone.. :[

Back to 30.82 for now.
 

bmd

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I had a nice boost in 3dmark 2k1 also (~1000) and everything seemed fine until I started playing TFC. Had many artifact problems, pieces of the screen were actually jumping around occasionally if i tried to mouselook around quickly. My Vid Card (Ti 4400) is overclocked mildly, but I NEVER had ANY problems whatsoever with stability or artifacts or weird screen jumping with any earlier versions. Switched back to 30.82s and all is well again.

Edit: Spelling .
 

KameLeon

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Every time I play a movie, media player gets stuck for like 30 seconds before it starts playing. The system completely freezes, and I can't even move the mouse. So, bye bye 40.41's.. back to 30.82 for me.
 

Boogak

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Bah, looks like the 40.41's screw up my Counter-Strike video settings. I play at 1280x960 and when I join a server, I see bits and pieces of my desktop along the top and bottom of my screen. When I hit ESC and then jump back into the game, my resolution is at 640x480 and I only see about a 1/4 of the true picture. Back to the 30.82's for meeeeeeeee!!
 

apoppin

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I really thought you'd enjoy this from this Hot Deals thread:

You think YOU are having PROBLEMS?:


Originally posted by: Tiggerbaby
HELP!?!?! I have an Nvidia Radeon 8500 and I just upgraded to the new 40.41 drivers... now I get a some kind of graphics error when in windows and it restarts in safe mode! Are these drivers virii? Anyone else had this problem?

I am using my friends computer until I get this straightened out... This really sucks


:Q







EDIT: Link fixed and I added the Bold and Underline to the above quote. Some people spend too much time in Hot Deals.



Headlines tomorrow: "Nvidia Answers ATI's Quack with 3DQuack2001"



EDIT: I can imagine what went on behind the scenes at Nvidia the last few days in the driver department. No doubt they were ordered to release them "or else" and went with a bad compromise to call them beta . . . unfortunate upper management pressured by being "behind" into a really bad decision.

I haven't seen a single positive thing said here about these drivers except 3DMark.
 

MichaelD

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I may load these onto my second/backup rig and play around. Personally, I feel that these were released as a "pacifier" for those die-hard NVidia fans that are disappointed that the ATI 9700 Pro is out there kicking ass and the NV30 is nowhere in sight. Notice they aren't WHQL-certified? Not inferring anything, but I've never had any probs with any NVidia Det that WAS WHQL, whereas I DID have probs w/some non-WHQL drivers. I'll wait before I load these up on my main rig. me<---running the 29.42's right now and happy w/'em.
 

Acanthus

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Dark Age of Camelot has a noticeable IQ loss with the new drivers, the nature test doesnt look anywhere near as good (look at the water) as on the older drivers i saw an 800 point increase (P4/Rdram/Ti4200) but an IQ loss will keep me from using these drivers, playing with the texture sharpening feature now to see if it corrects the problems.

Ive also notice that text in games and even 3dmark seems to be blurred.

Also NVIDIAs 25% performance increase in some apps probably refers to 3dmark with 8x aniso and 4xS FSAA.
 

Uclagamer_99

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image quality just looks like ass now...horrible...i'm surprised there wasn't a great jump in 3dmark2k1...the textures look terrible
 

Goi

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I seem to see this argument a lot, about how we "shouldn't care about our 3DMark scores", because we "don't play 3DMark". I will agree with you that the acid test is how well our system performs in the games we play, but benchmarks EXIST so we have some way of judging how well our setups relate to others, and also it is a common way to measure performance (hence, "benchmark"). It is a way of giving us real numbers so we can compare our setup to someone else's. Obviously in the end all that matters is how our games perform, but at least 3DMark gives us something share with the group. It's an easy way to give objective performance results for varying systems.

I agree with you, and I'm not refuting the fact that benchmarks are a good, popular and standard way to compare performance between different systems. However, my point was that up to the point when I first posted in this thread, nobody had tested the new drivers with any games at all, or at least they weren't posting anything about it, and if you look back, there were tens of posts before I posted in this thread. Everyone was just raving about how well the new drivers are by just running 3DMark2001. Fast forward to Rand's post, and you'll see that according to his figures run on his system, the new drivers aren't really that good at all in real games, compared to the existing drivers. So, I guess I'm just trying to say that it isn't wise to jump to conclusions with just 1 benchmark, especially when this benchmark is a synthetic one rather than one run from within a real application/game that we use/play.

btw thanks for the detailed benchmarks Rand, it was really helpful to us all
 

bluemax

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Not that I'm condoning this sort of thing, but at least "Quack " made a GAME run faster, rather than just a synthetic benchmark.

So I guess this would be 3DMalarkey?
 

apoppin

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Detonator 40.41 vs. 28.32 Comparison @ Icrontic - linked from AT's Main page

Nice comparison . . . the conclusion:
Well, aside from 3DMark 2001SE the 40.41 drivers performed on par with, or slightly below, the 28.32 drivers. But for many people a higher 3DMark score is good enough, and a 11% gain is definitely impressive. Overall the new Detonator 40 drivers appear to be a winner if you're looking to push your 3DMark scores to new heights. The new interface and added features are also a plus. These drivers will work for all of Nvidia's supported GPU's if you're running Windows 2000/XP and I think they are certainly worth the upgrade. I have heard reports of image quality being affected but I haven't noticed anything as of yet.

They are being really nice to Nvidia IMO. Draw your own conclusions.
 

Mem

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They are being really nice to Nvidia IMO. Draw your own conclusions

I never believe the hype in performance with new drivers,as long as they work & I `ve no stability problems I`m happy,as for 3DMark2001 SE well I`ve only used that twice this year,gaming wise they seem ok & now that I`ve a working NVrefresh fix they will do for now .Image quality wise I`m still testing my games so no verdict on that yet,I do like the new Nvidia display panel.

 

Slogun

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Originally posted by: Mem
They are being really nice to Nvidia IMO. Draw your own conclusions

I never believe the hype in performance with new drivers,as long as they work & I `ve no stability problems I`m happy,as for 3DMark2001 SE well I`ve only used that twice this year,gaming wise they seem ok & now that I`ve a working NVrefresh fix they will do for now .Image quality wise I`m still testing my games so no verdict on that yet,I do like the new Nvidia display panel.

There seem to be several refresh fixes out there. Can you point us towards the fix that works for you?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Slogun

I never believe the hype in performance with new drivers,as long as they work & I `ve no stability problems I`m happy,as for 3DMark2001 SE well I`ve only used that twice this year,gaming wise they seem ok & now that I`ve a working NVrefresh fix they will do for now .Image quality wise I`m still testing my games so no verdict on that yet,I do like the new Nvidia display panel.


I'm surprised you don't mind that "the 40.41 drivers performed on par with, or slightly below, the 28.32 drivers". Do you think the "frills" make up for a lack of performance compared with the older drivers?

From looking at the benchs it looks like more than "slightly below", also. That's why I thought they were being really nice in their conclusion.
 

Mem

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Do you think the "frills" make up for a lack of performance compared with the older drivers?


I`m using a GF2 Ti so speed is not the main factor for me in gaming,stability and image quality are more important to me with drivers,most games I play are RPG games and FPS like CS,DOD .

The "frills" as you call them is just a new layout of controls,like anything else you either like or hate. I think too many people always expect newer drivers to be faster,if you look at real figures you will always see that it depends on the games etc used for benchmarks.
 
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