NVIDIA vs. AMD *POLL ADDED*

[Keysplayr]

I haven't presented this to any other moderators Apoppin. I just gave you my feelings on this, that's all. If you want to present it for consideration, you should definitely start a thread in PFI. See how it goes.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I haven't presented this to any other moderators Apoppin. I just gave you my feelings on this, that's all. If you want to present it for consideration, you should definitely start a thread in PFI. See how it goes.

Are you recommending i do it?

it appears to me that very few regular video posters are in favor of a 2nd Video forum. It also appears to me that with continued and intensified moderation there is no need at all. i would only make my suggestion in PFI if there was a lot of "support" for it here - there is not
--It was just one suggestion i tossed out - i was hoping the membership would come up with far more 'choices'.

As it stands, i vote for leaving Video as it is - for now as long as you and BFG are up for it. The members also need to realize that some of them are going on vacations for what they are saying and insinuating --right now - unless they *change* their attitude or at least improve their posting etiquette toward others. i believe you made that really clear.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin


Especially when someone is calling me out by name and 'poking" me
:|

What are you adding to this thread - except for your stated purpose to disrupt Video by attempting to discredit me at every opportunity?

Exactly my point, you profess change but then accuse me of all sorts of things.

This is the third insult upon me in this thread alone. I'm not trying to discredit you or disrupt video at all. I just like pointing out the irony.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin


Especially when someone is calling me out by name and 'poking" me
:|

What are you adding to this thread - except for your stated purpose to disrupt Video by attempting to discredit me at every opportunity?

Exactly my point, you profess change but then accuse me of all sorts of things.

This is the third insult upon me in this thread alone. I'm not trying to discredit you or disrupt video at all. I just like pointing out the irony.

That is what you told me and if i misunderstood your words and intention, i apologize for you are saying something quite different here and now.
--and if you are *done* pointing out the IRONY - which i also agree with - can we please let it go?

You may also notice that - so far - i have not posted in any other thread that is controversial - except this one which i started for my reasons stated in the first post

EDIT i'm DONE here .. we are in PMs now .... thanks for your patience - everyone - especially the mods
:thumbsup:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin


That is what you told me and if i misunderstood your words and intention, i apologize for you are saying something quite different here and now.

I don't recall saying anything about disruption. That would not be a goal of mine at all. I'm simply bringing a fair and balanced approach to video card discussion.

--and if you are *done* pointing out the IRONY - which i also agree with - can we please let it go?

Yes

You may also notice that - so far - i have not posted in any other thread that is controversial - except this one which i started for my reasons stated in the first post

In my opinion controversial threads are the best ones. It means that there is something truly worth discussing and involves a lot of give and take over a high profile issue. Such issues need to be discussed and worked out.

No one, however should take anything personally as they are just money pits er I mean video cards. Certainly no one should personally attack someone over their choice of video card and or their opinion of one brand over another. It's all good.

 

[Keysplayr]

Apoppin, Wreckage. Take it to PM's and discuss it, please. Civilly of course.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Apoppin, Wreckage. Take it to PM's and discuss it, please. Civilly of course.

Actually we have been. :thumbsup:

Some just spilled out here a little.

 

[justly]

Apoppin, I don't think there is any way to completly eliminate the problem you are addressing without causing other problems.

Since you haven't recieved many suggestions here are a few to toss around.

1. Make a thread similar to the one Blain made for the "General hardware" forum that applies only to video cards

2. Convince the moderators to aggressively lock threads when the "topic title" is obviously intended to slander a specific card/brand by not accurately conveying a problem (a warning could be given to the OP first to allow them to edit the "topic title").

3. Request that "focus group members" refrain from posting negative information about a competitors products (unless they actually own the product they are posting negative information about, or they are only elaborating about a problem on said product that is already being discussed in the thread). IMO "focus group members" should make every attempt to abide by the saying "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all" (after all a good product should sell itself, without the need to discredit the competition).

Even if all three of these where to get implemented I doubt it will solve every problem, but I think these have the best chance to make the changes you want without causing to many other problems.

Good luck on your quest for a better forum.

 

[sandorski]

The most colourful PCB wins! Everyone knows it, they just avoid it by bringing up side issues!!

 

[vanvock]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Sind
I seriously doubt any constuctive talk will take place here now that it is accepted on this board to let the focus groups run wild basically, heck a mod is even one. I don't care what you say but everything can be spinned by these guys. Look at the 8xQAA thread about the GX2, it was a good discussion until one of the focus group members brought up this comment :

"Lets assume you're right Tuteja and the 9800GX2 isn't not doing 8X AA well with it's superior paper specs, and it's not because the drivers are 1 day old and this just hasn't been addressed yet.

Can you show us which resolutions and games the 3870X2 offers playable framerates that the 9800GX2 doesn't so we can see why a person looking for the best single slot card would buy a so much slower 3870X2? "


Nothing but spin and marketing FUD, the 3870X2 is totally irrelevent to the discussion beyond comparing it's 8xAA numbers, if we are trying to discuss a GX2 8xQAA problem why is the 3870X2 and comsumer purchasing decisions suddenly brought into the thread? This is viral marketing despite the "focus group" moniker on anyones signature. It's not tolerated at other sites, why is it here?

If you want to call out a mod, be a man and do it. Are you saying that keys is somehow biased because he's a focus group member now? Do you want us to start calling him nKeysplayr??? Why don't you go read a few of his 10,000+ posts first n00b. All kidding aside, I probably have a little bit of an amd bias, but I'm not so blinded by affection that I can't see that the nvidia girl is way better looking and has better, um, "qualities" right now. Having ANYBODY other than rollo get inside nvidia info is good for us imho. Especially if keys also starts getting free crap so he can pass his old stuff on to his online buddies

Prime example

 

[apoppin]

well, instead of giving "bad examples" .. i think this *constructive* analysis and solutions are BRILLIANT:

Originally posted by: justly
Apoppin, I don't think there is any way to completly eliminate the problem you are addressing without causing other problems.

Since you haven't recieved many suggestions here are a few to toss around.

1. Make a thread similar to the one Blain made for the "General hardware" forum that applies only to video cards

2. Convince the moderators to aggressively lock threads when the "topic title" is obviously intended to slander a specific card/brand by not accurately conveying a problem (a warning could be given to the OP first to allow them to edit the "topic title").

3. Request that "focus group members" refrain from posting negative information about a competitors products (unless they actually own the product they are posting negative information about, or they are only elaborating about a problem on said product that is already being discussed in the thread). IMO "focus group members" should make every attempt to abide by the saying "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all" (after all a good product should sell itself, without the need to discredit the competition).

Even if all three of these where to get implemented I doubt it will solve every problem, but I think these have the best chance to make the changes you want without causing to many other problems.

Good luck on your quest for a better forum.

... way better than any of my suggestions!
:thumbsup:

 

[xocoatl]

I whole heartedly support "apopin" in his ideas for constructive analysis, solutions, and feedback.

It'd be great, if not overly optimistic, to expect we could all follow this line of posting, but if we could I'd definiately support it 100%.

| Q6600@2.4Ghz | Asus P5E | 4GB Ballistix DDR2 | Etasis 850W | Thermalright Ultra 120-extreme | Stacker 850 Evo | system not finished.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

I completely disagree with splitting the forum in 2. THe reason why I like this forum so much is because it's NOT segregated.

I've owned ATI (now AMD) and Nvidia cards depending on the consensus of these very boards.

Example: back when the x1900xt was the bomb, I bought one because of the better performance/quality.

The 8800GT is that card now so I bought it.

If I would have to keep flipping back and forth, between an AMD and Nvidia forum, I think I would eventually just wind up googling the information OR have to rely almost exclusively on pro reviews.

DON'T DO IT!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: gersson
I completely disagree with splitting the forum in 2. THe reason why I like this forum so much is because it's NOT segregated.

I've owned ATI (now AMD) and Nvidia cards depending on the consensus on these very boards.

Example: back when the x1900xt was the bomb, I bought one because of the better performance/quality.

The 8800GT is that card now so I bought it.

If I would have to keep flipping back and forth, between an AMD and Nvidia forum, I think I would eventually just wind up googling the information OR have to rely almost exclusively on pro reviews.

DON'T DO IT!

that isn't really the suggestion to divide it that way
--at least it isn't the one i made ...

iIs the original post that unclear?


i am looking for suggestions from the members to make Video a more constructive place to discuss.

justly made far better suggestions, imo
. . . 3 and 6 posts up^


EDIT: i edited the OP to - hopefully - make it more clear and to consolidate the ideas and suggestions, so far - in one place

 

[Wreckage]

Splitting the forum into 3 AMD/NVIDIA/General would just make more work for the mods and readers.

NVIDIA vs AMD discussions are what drive a lot of posts here and are important to people looking to buy a new video card.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Splitting the forum into 3 AMD/NVIDIA/General would just make more work for the mods and readers.

NVIDIA vs AMD discussions are what drive a lot of posts here and are important to people looking to buy a new video card.

That isn't the suggestion at all

i have edited the OP to reflect the 7 new suggestions i have identified for constructively improving video forum
--any or all can be used - or none

and the topic remains open for more good ideas
-if you like, i shall keep updating it as your suggestions come in
--and even further - if you like - i can even add a poll

Edit: i am not going to continue to debate anyone; i simply won't be baited. Please post your Useful suggestions.

and if is it "leave it as it is" - *once* please
- it is so noted

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin


That isn't the suggestion at all

My suggestion was to keep things as they are.

Well, maybe with less backseat modding.

You know our stance on baiting, Wreckage. First and only warning. Get out of this thread altogether. And let these folks get on with their discussion.

Anandtech Moderator - Keysplayr2003

 

[BFG10K]

Request that "focus group members" refrain from posting negative information about a competitors products

Heh, now that one could get interesting.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The only focus member i wouldn't trust is rollo. Its just that ive seen what he was like back in the days where video would always degenerate into a flame fest (or even worse). Hes lost far too many credibility for people to trust him now on his help/suggestions on nVIDIA products because of his past actions.

However i think some of the AT members are judging these focus members just like judging "a book by its cover". Example is ChrisRay. He has a vast knowlegde on the software side of things (SLi, AA, driver related material) even direct contact with the forceware team themselves. Yet he NEVER posts on these forums again because of the way he is treated which is a darn shame (having a softwareGURU for nVIDIA in AT would be nice). Now same goes for Keys, as soon as he became a focus member some of the users just flat out attacked him.

About the forum split, i think it would be a good idea. However i think most users in video are here for help about what to buy. Im not sure how many members would want technical discussions (that contains zero FUD/misconceptions and they know what they are talking about) that would make most people scratching their heads (refer to beyond3d and some of the subjects that they do talk about). My knowledge on GPUs is only the tip of an iceberg.

To sum it up, i like 1,2,4,7.
-One forum for general video where we talk about price, our own experience/benchmarks etc, latest news on upcoming products/rumour mill, have a hot topic thread for people wanting to go at one another.
-One sub forum for technical video where we talk about current hardware maybe be on upcoming future products in a nice constructive way that does not involve people talking out of their rear end so to speak. Something like B3D would be nice. Active mods.

 

[JSt0rm]

your experience with rollo is probably why everyone hates "focus groups" now. That little viral game is ruined. I say get rid of focus groups all together and invite actual employees of both companies to come here and post. The idea that some guy getting free hardware has some special knowledge is misguided at best and more often flat out retarded. All of this stuff has damaged AT video. It's a fact. I didn't even read the last video card review and I read others mumbling about why certain cards weren't compared. The seed has been planted. But of course they know all of this.

 

[VERTIGGO]

2.1 teraflops makes is sex and violence in my book

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: VERTIGGO
2.1 teraflops makes is sex and violence in my book

Saw 700 - 2.1 TerrorFlops
--MAD sax and violins
Coming soon! ... --Green Blood Will Flow!

some good suggestions .. well, mostly ... keep 'em coming


. . . and to those who celebrate it, Happy Easter!
.. the Spring equinox .. a time of rebirth

i'd love to see that too, JSt0rm01 .. 'events' could turn into regular features and even official debates .. but that is beyond 'us' as members
[unless you know some Rep, you'd like to invite]

EDIT: i am attempting to make a POLL so the ones that want to vote can do so without comment if they prefer .. hurry with the suggestions as it is hard to ADD or change polling options afterward
--Thanks!

 

[justly]

BFG10K, The whole idea is not to stop "focus group members" from posting ANY negative information, it is actually meant to eliminate any perception that they are biased. Personally I think this would not only be better for the forum members, but also benifit Nvidia and their "focus group members" by making their actions above reproach. The only problems I actually see with this is how to set the guidelines and how to deal with a "focus group member" that does not follow those guidelines (hopfully the "focus group members" can see that this also helps their reputation and will enforce it themselves). I think "focus group members" from any company would be welcome here under these conditions.

JSt0rm01, I'm sure your opinion is shared by many (including myself, for the most part) but having actual employees post here would also be a mistake IMO. Actual employees would have far to many restriction's on them to be trusted beyond providing tech support.

Cookie Monster, It doesn't affect me one way or the other if my recommendations are supported or not. However, with your comment that "most users in video are here for help about what to buy" I would think having a thread dedicated to helping them ask the right questions would get your support.

Apoppin, I'm glad to know you found my suggestions to be worth considering. I had also considered splitting the forum at first (but by manufacturer) but I quickly realized splitting the forum would cause as many new problems as it would solve. The idea of splitting video into seperate general and technical video forums came as a unique twist, but overall I still don't believe it is a good idea to split the forum.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

hey your poll needs a bit of editing i think

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey your poll needs a bit of editing i think

i know


is it OK now?

you speaking of baiting... what exactly is this thread if not baiting? The title especially "NVIDIA VS AMD". all caps, and completely irrelevant to the poll's and your rant.

Do you really think so?
- it is 2 parts ... "NVIDIA vs AMD" and How do we *constructively* discuss them on our forum ?
*Poll Added* is also in caps .. i think it has to do with the "importance" of the subject and to reflect that it has been Updated
AMD vs. NVIDIA kinda "has" to be in CAPS, if you know what i mean
- the "vs." has always been lower-case
this thread's purpose is to discuss and it is clearly stated in the OP

How would you have worded it?
--and if you are not alone in your thinking, i will be glad to improve on it for you with an edit