Obama at Columbia

[cybrsage]

dont get testy...Im just asking

And I am just repeating, over and over, that the "cause everyone else is doing it" reason is a failed reason. You keep using it, though.

Maybe Romney can explain to you why he requested SEVERAL Tax returns from his VP contenders...maybe then you will listen to what everyone else has been telling you

Go ahead and ask him. Post his response here.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This is a stupid argument we've had in other threads.

Romney's tax returns could tell us something of interest regarding his business dealings and finances, which he's made a central part of his campaign.

Obama's school records don't mean anything, because even if they had dark and twisted secrets, who gives a shit? He's been president for 3.5 years now. That's the only reasonable information from which to decide whether to re-elect him or not. Do you think he did a good job? Vote for him. If not, don't.

Now just a second . I being an ignorant conservative need ya to repeat that . I mean I say boy repeat that.thera.

It sound to me that you said that Romneys tax statements are more important than papers that would show more clearly a mans true charictor. Cheating on taxes is one thing . Lying about your life is another. But as I said I being a conservative are likely not suited to make that sort of charictor judgement. Darn if only I was On welfare and went to crap schools I could be a smart liberial commie stooge for the bankers. Divide and conquor!

 

[OrByte]

Romney himself seems to think there is value in investigating his VP contenders tax returns...he seems to think there is value in being able to analyze SEVERAL years of tax returns of his VP candidates.

Why do we not get the same consideration when vetting Romney as a Presidential Candidate? I guess he must think very poorly of us Americans.

Why does Romney hate America so much?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Now just a second . I being an ignorant conservative need ya to repeat that . I mean I say boy repeat that.thera.

It sound to me that you said that Romneys tax statements are more important than papers that would show more clearly a mans true charictor. Cheating on taxes is one thing . Lying about your life is another. But as I said I being a conservative are likely not suited to make that sort of charictor judgement. Darn if only I was On welfare and went to crap schools I could be a smart liberial commie stooge for the bankers. Divide and conquor!

How many times do we have to point it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Obama has already shared his tax returns, Romney has not, EOS.

 

[cybrsage]

The "cause other people are doing it" failed excuse has been debunked long ago, using it just makes you look even more loonie than the average returner.

 

[OrByte]

We are no where near November yet and Romney has already lied to America, dissed his VP, and he continues to ruin the memory and integrity of his own dead father.

Any man who hates his own father with so much passion, I cant vote for...sorry Mitt

Somewhere Romney Sr. is crying.

At some point Mitt Romney gave McCain 23 years of tax returns...which is why McCain went with Palin

Mitt < Sarah Baracuda!!

 

[Aegeon]

Aegeon, I just did a search for your posts, and found the following:

So we now have direct evidence of you wildly misrepresenting posts beyond any plausible reason, although those were not all of my posts of this subject for the record. Obviously those were not accurate summaries of my posts for anyone who clicks on the links, so we have now resolved that question.

If you want to take a fringe personal position that tax information is irrelevant to everyone as long as he technically didn't break the law that's your right, but no-one else has to take you seriously. Its not unreasonable to expect someone running for the highest office in the free world to be held to a potentially higher standard, with the public coming to their conclusions if they actually have this information, which gets into the subject of general behavior and prior financial interests among others. (As I noted the right years could actually provide useful data relevant towards determining Romney's degree of continued involvement with Bain Capital among other questions.)

If you want to continue to effectively insult George Romney for example among others, who clearly was talking about tax information revealing more that merely if someone technically complied with IRS laws that's your choice, but no-one else has to take you seriously. Your increasingly preposterous attempts to link requests for Romney revealing more tax info with birtherism are mostly simply demonstrating the unreasonableness of certain Romney supporters out there at this point.

 

[cybrsage]

Any man who hates his own father with so much passion, I cant vote for...sorry Mitt

Wow, you shifted from using failed reasons to straight up lies. I did not expect such a rapid shift.

Somewhere Romney Sr. is crying.

No, somewhere he is decomposing. He is dead, dead people do not cry.

 

[OrByte]

I would have chosen Sarah Palin over Mitt too in a heartbeat.

McCain will be saying I TOLD YOU SO to America in Nov 2012

edit on topic: what was the topic again?

Oh Obama and his transcripts...about as relevant/useless to this election cycle as tits on a bull

 

[cybrsage]

So we now have direct evidence of you wildly misrepresenting posts beyond any plausible reason, although those were not all of my posts of this subject for the record. Obviously those were not accurate summaries of my posts for anyone who clicks on the links, so we have now resolved that question.

I knew you would pretend your failed reasons were valid ones. Do you seriously believe that or are you just trolling? I am going with trolling, it makes more sense.

If you want to take a fringe personal position that tax information is irrelevant to everyone as long as he technically didn't break the law that's your right, but no-one else has to take you seriously. Its not unreasonable to expect someone running for the highest office in the free world to be held to a potentially higher standard, with the public coming to their conclusions if they actually have this information. (As I noted the right years could actually provide useful data relevant towards determining Romney's degree of continued involvement with Bain Capital among other questions.)

A higher standard than being law abiding? What standard would that be?

If you want to continue to effectively insult George Romney for example among others, who clearly was talking about tax information revealing more that merely if someone technically complied with IRS laws that's your choice, but no-one else has to take you seriously. Your increasingly preposterous attempts to link requests for Romney revealing more tax info with birtherism are mostly simply demonstrating the unreasonableness of certain Romney supporters out there at this point.

George Romney is dead. That is not an insult. I find it strange you consider calling a dead man dead an insult.

Can you come up with an actual legitimate reason for needing to see his exact numbers, or will you continue to post the loonie returner reasons, like the birthers repeatedly did?

 

[trenchfoot]

bwahahahaha!

Romneys camp required VP contenders to release several tax returns

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...everal-years-of-tax-returns-of-vp-contenders/

I wonder why Romney needed to see all of those tax returns from his potential VPs?

"Release of the document, while it might serve a political purpose, would not prove very much, he argued. One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show, and what mattered in personal finance was how a man conducted himself over the long haul." - Romney Sr.

I know your question is rhetorical, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Because he has enough problems hiding his own.

You know, whoever prepared his tax returns must have been put into some kind of witness protection program because I'm sure there must be an army of investigative reporters sniffing every crack and crevice that Romney's shadow ever cast upon.

Poor Romney. I'm sure he could never imagine how horrific his journey would be in those starry-eyed moments before he declared his candidacy.

Got'ta hand it to him though, he's still lying through his teeth just like it was day one of his campaign. I give him an A+ for persistence and consistency in that category.

 

[cybrsage]

I would have chosen Sarah Palin over Mitt too in a heartbeat.

McCain will be saying I TOLD YOU SO to America in Nov 2012

Everyone knows McCain selected Palin because he was looking for someone to energize his campaign. Of all the loonie things the libs on this forum are saying about Mitt, one of the few true things they have said is that he is not an exciting person.

 

[OrByte]

Wow, you shifted from using failed reasons to straight up lies. I did not expect such a rapid shift.



No, somewhere he is decomposing. He is dead, dead people do not cry.

Im not lying Romney has been thumbing his nose at his dead dad ever since he went rogue and failed to be even nominally transparent as every other POTUS candidate on the planet

and everyone has told him this, and yet he still denigrates the memory of his father

using insane rightie logic, that must mean he hates both America and his dad.

Its sad really... I imagine Mitt not being able to sleep at night.

 

[cybrsage]

Got'ta hand it to him though, he's still lying through his teeth just like it was day one of his campaign. I give him an A+ for persistence and consistency in that category.

His opponent set the bar pretty high in that regard. The jury is still out as to whether Romney can out lie Obama or not. I am unwilling to make the call as to who wins in the biggest liar category yet.

 

[cybrsage]

Im not lying Romney has been thumbing his nose at his dead dad ever since he went rogue and failed to be even nominally transparent as every other POTUS candidate on the planet

Oh My! You are calling Obama transparent? Talk about invaliding yourself!

and everyone has told him this, and yet he still denigrates the memory of his father

Wow, you do honestly think one small, insignificant issue means he hates his dad. You really are a complete and utter loonie.

using insane rightie logic, that must mean he hates both America and his dad.

Its sad really... I imagine Mitt not being able to sleep at night.

No wonder you are a returner, you are a full on loonie.

 

[OrByte]

Everyone knows McCain selected Palin because he was looking for someone to energize his campaign. Of all the loonie things the libs on this forum are saying about Mitt, one of the few true things they have said is that he is not an exciting person.

I think he chose Sarah because he didnt want to get dragged down by all the skeletons in Mitts 1040 closet

Thats just as viable/likely a story.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Its politics, I expect both committees and associated PACs to lie at about the same rate.

 

[cybrsage]

I think he chose Sarah because he didnt want to get dragged down by all the skeletons in Mitts 1040 closet

Thats just as viable/likely a story.

Only viable to a loonie returner.

 

[OrByte]

George Romney wont stop turning in his grave until Nov 7, 2012.

Mitt can still do the right thing and release his tax returns...yeah right!

 

[cybrsage]

Its politics, I expect both committees and associated PACs to lie at about the same rate.

Agreed, though they have been getting rediculous lately. They need to be a bit more clever with the lies and not be so bold faced about them. There will be a public backlash against them soon.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I agree this tax return stuff is useless noise, but putting "returners" on the same level as "birthers" is a bit of a stretch, especially considering Obama has already shown the documents everyone wanted to see.

 

[Nemesis 1]

We are no where near November yet and Romney has already lied to America, dissed his VP, and he continues to ruin the memory and integrity of his own dead father.

Any man who hates his own father with so much passion, I cant vote for...sorry Mitt

Somewhere Romney Sr. is crying.

At some point Mitt Romney gave McCain 23 years of tax returns...which is why McCain went with Palin

Mitt < Sarah Baracuda!!

OH Come on now! I voting for obummer in nov. Just because I would like you fine demons to get 8 years of this thing. Romney is a liar but he second best . Obummer is biggest liar of all so far. Remember when obummer said If he didn't have the economy undercontrol in 31/2 years it would be a 4 year stretch and thats all he said. True or false statement ????

 

[OrByte]

I wonder if Paul Ryan gets to ask to see Mitts tax returns?

it seems only fair since Mitt got to see Several of his!

 

[Nemesis 1]

I agree this tax return stuff is useless noise, but putting "returners" on the same level as "birthers" is a bit of a stretch, especially considering Obama has already shown the documents everyone wanted to see.

Link to documents that are not fake.

 

[Aegeon]

A higher standard than being law abiding? What standard would that be?

I'll let the earlier comment you made stand as evidence against you, projecting your conduct on others doesn't change the facts.

Its called ethical behavior. Finding a legal loophole in the tax laws to dodge taxes in a way obviously never intended but which the IRS concludes is technically legal until the law is later revised would for instance be relevant information for many people. If Romney has not experienced in reasonably recent years the percentage rate of taxation that many people in the U.S. actually have, that would actually be relevant information for some people by the way when he talks about the burden of high taxes on Americans. Among many other points of potential concern, someone aggressive and creative enough in limiting their tax burden may be reluctant to close such loopholes with future tax reform.

As I previous noted it goes beyond merely information about whether he complied with tax laws and also shows his prior financial associations and some information about his business dealings along with the general point of where he made his money in recent years. People might decide they are fine with his positions even so, but its helpful to know candidate x might be potentially biased in favor of industry or company y because they made a whole bunch of money off them in the past.

George Romney is dead. That is not an insult. I find it strange you consider calling a dead man dead an insult.

While he's dead, that doesn't make the arguments he made somehow less legitimate. You're essentially labeling him a returner for giving the reasons he did for releasing 12 years of tax returns, along with effectively George Will and a whole bunch of other respected conservatives who are generally members of the Republican Party for their position on Romney's tax returns.

The claim its about the exact numbers is plainly a utterly false argument again. We don't have any way to actually know if Romney was paying a rate of around 3% or actually above 20% for many of the years in question. The 20% options seems very unlikely given Romney's behavior in refusing to release the information, but Romney is certainly forcing those trying to come up to a conclusion to speculate for the moment since they lack enough data. (We lack the info on how much exactly Romney made each of these years as well as the nature of the income in question, which means you can't come up with a rough percentage with any degree of confidence for any of the years he has not released returns for.)