Obama bombed today...

[nageov3t]

I don't really see how a visit to adoring fans in Germany makes up for his complete and total lack of foreign policy experience, though.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I hate it when a guy bombs in front of a croud of 200,000.

hmmm, I guess you forgot why those 200,000 may have been there in the first placethere in the first place

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This is an exceptionally weak rant, and indicative of the sort of hangdog, passive-aggressive jealousy that seems to permeate Republicans as it relates to the Obama campaign and the election as a whole. Get used to it, guys, because his lead will just lengthen over the next 3 months, and in January he'll be your President. No doubt if the Republicans retake Congress in the 2010 midterms (a la 1994), they'll dust off Ken Starr and start the Obama witch hunt, but until then this country will be firmly under Democratic control, for better or worse.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
1) Nothing but sound bights: check

'Bight' me, bozo. Your post fails at the start, then gets stupider.

lol

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XMan

6:33 p.m.: The tens of thousands of Obama fans are being entertained as they await the senator. The reggae musician Patrice kicked things off, followed by the rock band Reamonn.
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They do the same thing at Methuselah..err..McCain rallies except the artists are Lawrence Welk and Pat Boone. Occasionally they'll throw caution to the wind and have Up With People perform.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Europeans love Obama now for the same reason so many people in the states do. He is for change and the future and other wishy washy open ended ideas.

He is for turning us into a bunch of socialist pussies, just like them; that is why they love him.

He turned me into a newt!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I hate it when a guy bombs in front of a croud of 200,000.

hmmm, I guess you forgot why those 200,000 may have been there in the first placethere in the first place

putz

"By the way, attendance for individual nights at Rock in Rio, the biggest rock festival in the world, which features multiple bands at the top of their games, comes in between 70,000 and 200,000 most of the time. Major U.S. festivals like Coachella, get 50k."

 

[lupi]

What a terrible speech and such idiotic things for some whom wants to be POTUS to say. The crap he is trying to spew are the same things a group of men opposed when they stood together in a field by Lexington.

I fear what his "leadership" would do to the country and feel sorry for those in uniform that would be subjugated to him. At least he spared them his sight by cancelling a visit to some of them in germany; probably dissapointed that the wounded folks couldn't be put up in formation to salute him as they arranged in iraq.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: lupi
What a terrible speech and such idiotic things for some whom wants to be POTUS to say. The crap he is trying to spew are the same things a group of men opposed when they stood together in a field by Lexington.

I fear what his "leadership" would do to the country and feel sorry for those in uniform that would be subjugated to him. At least he spared them his sight by cancelling a visit to some of them in germany; probably dissapointed that the wounded folks couldn't be put up in formation to salute him as they arranged in iraq.

"People of the world -- look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one."

Yeah you are right....that message really blows chunks.

Lupi's selling us his sour grapes...and :music: we aint buyin! :music:

Edit:

ohhh I like this quote too:

"That is why America cannot turn inward. That is why Europe cannot turn inward. America has no better partner than Europe. Now is the time to build new bridges across the globe as strong as the one that bound us across the Atlantic. Now is the time to join together, through constant cooperation, strong institutions, shared sacrifice, and a global commitment to progress, to meet the challenges of the 21st century. It was this spirit that led airlift planes to appear in the sky above our heads, and people to assemble where we stand today. And this is the moment when our nations -- and all nations -- must summon that spirit anew."

 

[jonks]

The big fail was at the conclusion of the speech when Obama said "whoever thinks I should be the next president of the United States, raise your hand!"

An intrepid photojournalist snapped a shot:

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc...E348AFA55A1E4F32AD3138

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Butterbean
He sounded like a Miss Universe contestant with the "citizen of the world" stuff.

:laugh:

I'm laughing as well. The shallowness of the "rightwingers" gives me more chuckles than anything.........

Maybe he should have jumped the Chancellor and give her a mighty back rub...........

As for your sig, Republicans are over his name and we can't address his policies because he keeps CHANGE-ing them.
However it seems Dems can't get over calling McCain, McSame. I've noticed that a lot of Dems don't like it when they or their candidate is poked at, but they don't mind poking back.

I was listening to someone on the radio yesterday about Obama's speech and he pointed something out, Obama continually uses Change, Hope, and Courage in his "masterful orating". Obama kept on saying he wants Change, but he never says what change is other than lets not do it like Bush.

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: jonks
The big fail was at the conclusion of the speech when Obama said "whoever thinks I should be the next president of the United States, raise your hand!"

An intrepid photojournalist snapped a shot:

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc...E348AFA55A1E4F32AD3138

hahaha... oooh, I'm going to hell...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Obama kept on saying he wants Change, but he never says what change is other than lets not do it like Bush.

Psst, that's a good thing. Who wants another 4 year of Bush policies under Methuseleh..err..McCain?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Obama kept on saying he wants Change, but he never says what change is other than lets not do it like Bush.

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Well that took about 3 seconds to find:

Obama's Blueprint for Change

And I'm not even saying I agree with him on a lot of these issues, or that I agree changing most of these issues will occur, or is even possible at all. But you can only claim that Obama doesn't lay out what he wants to change if you make a conscious effort to avoid listening to him.

 

[Stoneburner]

Obama killed that shit.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Obama killed that shit.

was the shit not brown enough? because I hear he's a racist muslim extremist.

 

[nageov3t]

david brooks pretty much summed up my thoughts on the speech perfectly:

...Obama?s tone was serious. But he pulled out his ?this is our moment? rhetoric and offered visions of a world transformed. Obama speeches almost always have the same narrative arc. Some problem threatens. The odds are against the forces of righteousness. But then people of good faith unite and walls come tumbling down. Obama used the word ?walls? 16 times in the Berlin speech, and in 11 of those cases, he was talking about walls coming down.

The Berlin blockade was thwarted because people came together. Apartheid ended because people came together and walls tumbled. Winning the cold war was the same: ?People of the world,? Obama declared, ?look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together and history proved there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.?

When I first heard this sort of radically optimistic speech in Iowa, I have to confess my American soul was stirred. It seemed like the overture for a new yet quintessentially American campaign.

But now it is more than half a year on, and the post-partisanship of Iowa has given way to the post-nationalism of Berlin, and it turns out that the vague overture is the entire symphony. The golden rhetoric impresses less, the evasion of hard choices strikes one more.

When John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan went to Berlin, their rhetoric soared, but their optimism was grounded in the reality of politics, conflict and hard choices. Kennedy didn?t dream of the universal brotherhood of man. He drew lines that reflected hard realities: ?There are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin.? Reagan didn?t call for a kumbaya moment. He cited tough policies that sparked harsh political disagreements ? the deployment of U.S. missiles in response to the Soviet SS-20s ? but still worked.

In Berlin, Obama made exactly one point with which it was possible to disagree. In the best paragraph of the speech, Obama called on Germans to send more troops to Afghanistan.

Much of the rest of the speech fed the illusion that we could solve our problems if only people mystically come together. We should help Israelis and Palestinians unite. We should unite to prevent genocide in Darfur. We should unite so the Iranians won?t develop nukes. Or as Obama put it: ?The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.?

The great illusion of the 1990s was that we were entering an era of global convergence in which politics and power didn?t matter. What Obama offered in Berlin flowed right out of this mind-set. This was the end of history on acid.

Since then, autocracies have arisen, the competition for resources has grown fiercer, Russia has clamped down, Iran is on the march. It will take politics and power to address these challenges, the two factors that dare not speak their name in Obama?s lofty peroration.

The odd thing is that Obama doesn?t really think this way. When he gets down to specific cases, he can be hard-headed. Last year, he spoke about his affinity for Reinhold Niebuhr, and their shared awareness that history is tragic and ironic and every political choice is tainted in some way.

But he has grown accustomed to putting on this sort of saccharine show for the rock concert masses, and in Berlin his act jumped the shark. His words drift far from reality, and not only when talking about the Senate Banking Committee. His Berlin Victory Column treacle would have made Niebuhr sick to his stomach.

Obama has benefited from a week of good images. But substantively, optimism without reality isn?t eloquence. It?s just Disney.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/25/opinion/25brooks.html

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought it was alright.

scripted Obama is starting to get boring, though. when was the last time he had a genuine moment? I can't remember the last time he deviated from his speech writers.

his campaign advisers are well aware of his many gaffes, and have likely instructed him not to speak off the cuff. Instead, they advise him to try to change the subject with prepared one liners about Bush

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Obama killed that shit.

was the shit not brown enough? because I hear he's a racist muslim extremist.

If a racist muslim extremist will help put a man on Jupiter, then we need a racist muslim extremist in the Whitehouse.

As for David Brooks summing up your thoughts.... I feel sorry for your head

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought it was alright.

scripted Obama is starting to get boring, though. when was the last time he had a genuine moment? I can't remember the last time he deviated from his speech writers.

his campaign advisers are well aware of his many gaffes, and have likely instructed him not to speak off the cuff. Instead, they advise him to try to change the subject with prepared one liners about Bush

That's the change we are looking for!

 

[ayabe]

Well my local talk radio idiots were in a frenzy this morning because of Obama's support for fighting Communism and the Marshall plan but he doesn't support the continued occupation of Iraq.

I was pretty stunned I thought perhaps I was stuck in a time warp from 2004. Then a Marine called into the show and proceeded to tear this guy to shreds, as per usual, Talking Head hangs up on him, then goes into a 30 second tirade making up hypothetical questions and answering himself....then to close the issue, says, "I bet you're not even a Marine!!".

Just more invented outrage. One thing is for sure though, I don't think anyone in the McCain camp is going to challenge Obama to go overseas again.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought it was alright.

scripted Obama is starting to get boring, though. when was the last time he had a genuine moment? I can't remember the last time he deviated from his speech writers.

his campaign advisers are well aware of his many gaffes, and have likely instructed him not to speak off the cuff. Instead, they advise him to try to change the subject with prepared one liners about Bush

I think your boy is the one with the serious gaffe problem.

McCain has had a very bad week, but it's ok, you guys still have a chance. :brokenheart:

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

He totally bombed today.

Bomb bomb bomb - bomb bomb Iran...........

I believe Obama's cover goes something like "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Pakistan."

Is that the Pakistan that borders Iraq? :laugh:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought it was alright.

scripted Obama is starting to get boring, though. when was the last time he had a genuine moment? I can't remember the last time he deviated from his speech writers.

his campaign advisers are well aware of his many gaffes, and have likely instructed him not to speak off the cuff. Instead, they advise him to try to change the subject with prepared one liners about Bush

I think your boy is the one with the serious gaffe problem.

it's really hard to say, because Obama never deviates from the script his handlers prepare for him.

the closest I've seen to Obama going unscripted since the "clinging to their guns and religion" thing was his daughter saying he doesn't like ice cream. lol.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

He totally bombed today.

Bomb bomb bomb - bomb bomb Iran...........

I believe Obama's cover goes something like "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Pakistan."

Is that the Pakistan that borders Iraq? :laugh:

as citizens of the world, united as one against tyranny, don't all of us border everyone else?

WE are the borders we've been waiting for.