Obama lied about Benghazi

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ivwshane

Lifer
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Wow, that was quite a temper tantrum you've had there.....

SO, according to you, I'm a partisan hack, a hypocrite, and stupid for having an opinion that differs from the Kool Aid version you keep pitching to me. Now I'm questioning Patriotism, accused by the person who questions mine. I don't know Incorruptible but you can try to divert attention that way as well.

If I read the report do you really think it's going to sway my stance? Has anyone been personally held responsible....no. I've said this many times. I may just read the report just to confirm what I already know.

No, after some very lengthy consideration....you go ahead and fuck off. Sorry I don't want to follow your logic and behavior which in fact points to you having all of the characteristics you just accused me of.


Yes take your ball and go home you piece of shit.
I'll just leave this little quote from you showing just how non partisan you are:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34998256&postcount=38

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
 

Angry Irishman

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Jan 25, 2010
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Yes take your ball and go home you piece of shit.
I'll just leave this little quote from you showing just how non partisan you are:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34998256&postcount=38

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Am I not allowed some humor in my humble life? You end with even more of a tantrum....you're a real winner, you got me!

In the end I'm still holding the ball; you've dropped it by being duped.
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Am I not allowed some humor in my humble life? You end with even more of a tantrum....you're a real winner, you got me!

In the end I'm still holding the ball; you've dropped it by being duped.
duped - definition of duped by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...

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A person who functions as the tool of another person or power. tr.v. duped, dup·ing, dupes. To deceive (an unwary person). See Synonyms at deceive.

Lol, how convenient.
 
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Angry Irishman

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Lol, how convientl.

Does this help? I don't want to be judged poorly by you...I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I'm publicly confessing I'm not a fan of him either as is the case for most members of our current Congress. I've just yelled it from the top of a mountain. But, but, how does that make me a partisan hack?

 

werepossum

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Now is that better or worse than denying a department the funding they say they need to exact effective security and then demanding to know why there seemed to be a lack of security?
Four points. First, if we gave every department everything it says it absolutely must have, there would be no private sector, other than banks to loan the government more wealth than the nation creates. Second, if one has less money than one wants, one must prioritize wisely. Eliminating all security in one of the most dangerous areas of the world is not prioritizing wisely. (You may argue that we did not know this was one of the most dangerous areas of the world, but then you would need to explain why we did not know this when Great Britain certainly did.) Third, the payroll on foreign security contractors amounts to an influence buying scheme; with a couple notable exceptions, local security runs away as soon as a concerted attack occurs, assuming they don't join in. If we could not get marines, a handful of ex-military American contractors would be very much preferable to a score of Libyans who, as we've seen, will not stay to defend you.

And fourth, we embarked on a massive program of hardening embassies in 2009/2010. Assuming that having once spent that amount we must always spend even more is not sensible and would lead to our nation failing much more quickly than it is doing now.

Did you read that ABC article? It doesn't support the hysterical claims of the Obama haters. Most notably, it confirms that from the very beginning, the CIA stated the attack appeared, "spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo". So no matter how much the nutters screech about "lying about a tape on the Internet," the simple fact is that's what the CIA said. It was not something Rice or Obama invented.

It also reveals the State Department's rationale for their extensive changes. First, they felt that naming specific terrorist groups would prejudice the investigation. The email said something to the effect that they weren't allowed to make those claims internally, so it would not be appropriate to make them publicly. That seems potentially reasonable.

Their other objection was much more self-serving. They felt the CIA was trying to throw DoS under the bus by saying they ignored the CIA's warnings. Not surprisingly, State didn't want that criticism, and wanted those statements removed. Saving face is not a legitimate reason for suppressing information.

What is absent from any of this is the White House making changes, or any comments whatsoever that any of the parties involved in changes were thinking about the election. That doesn't surprise me. If I were in that position, I'd never put that in writing either. The point, however, is that this shocking!!!!! ABC news story does NOT support the accusations of the Obama bashers. If one actually reads the ABC report -- the whole thing, not just cherry-picked pieces -- one sees yet again that the partisan screeching doesn't match the facts presented.
Your response presupposes that the White House and the State Department are two unassociated entities. In reality the head of State is a political flunky appointed by and accountable to the President, and what the President wants from State, the President gets from State.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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Your response presupposes that the White House and the State Department are two unassociated entities. In reality the head of State is a political flunky appointed by and accountable to the President, and what the President wants from State, the President gets from State.
/sigh

More than that, I expressly allowed that the White House might have been directly involved but was smart enough to avoid a written trail. That's not the point. The point is this ABC story that had some of the boys soiling themselves in glee does not prove what they think it proves. Indeed, it explicitly contradicts one of their key allegations, that the "Internet tape" talking point came from the White House. It also documents a plausible alternative explanation of the revisions, contradicting their claims this was all about the election. In short, for those who can read for themselves, the ABC story is simply not the smoking gun the Obama haters crave.
 

lotus503

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/sigh

More than that, I expressly allowed that the White House might have been directly involved but was smart enough to avoid a written trail. That's not the point. The point is this ABC story that had some of the boys soiling themselves in glee does not prove what they think it proves. Indeed, it explicitly contradicts one of their key allegations, that the "Internet tape" talking point came from the White House. It also documents a plausible alternative explanation of the revisions, contradicting their claims this was all about the election. In short, for those who can read for themselves, the ABC story is simply not the smoking gun the Obama haters crave.

Of course not we have had a few smoking guns already that turned out to be water pistols. That won't stop them from bringing up new water pistols every 30-60 days though.
 

sportage

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I find it hard to believe the press getting upset about this nonsense when they looked and still look the other way when it comes to 3000 Americans killed on American soil, 4000+ troupes killed on foreign soil, and countless innocent killed, all because cowboy GW wanted to play president.
So, sorry. Not buying your product republican wing nuts. No sale.
 

Farang

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Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.

Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.

Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.

Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.

Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.

Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.

Those "bastards" cut it back to above 2008 levels.


Not sure if you watched the news but there is some stuff in Libya that happened since 2008 you might want to catch up on before replying in this thread.
 

Arkaign

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Reading between the lines, this is headed towards a conclusion that partisan hacks on both sides will be extremely unhappy with.

Cui Bono. Start at the beginning. This is a story way outside of politics if you look at it with an eye unfiltered by politics. Now the song and dance between the Democrats and Republicans (and their associated media lapdogs on both sides) is an utter farce that misses literally everything important about the situation entirely.

Think :

(1) The consulate (note : not an embassy), was very very clearly a CIA-run base running on extremely thin State Department cover. Accepting that fact, what do you suppose their mission was leading up to this event?

(2) Tactical decisions, and in-theatre operational command virtually never has anything to do with either the Executive branch nor even the State Department. The command structure is built for a certain necessary level of autonomy with an accepted overall mission, and with trigger points that will send information up and down to react to larger events.

(3) The reaction to the attacks, specifically the lack of intervention during and after, is an extreme red flag that is very revealing, but not in the way that many hacks believe it to be. Remember, in-field military and intelligence protocol and decisions are not handled from the Executive level outside of extremely rare situations. Given that the current administration is keen to send waves of drones even in defiance of treaties, to the level of causing major diplomatic problems with our supposed allies such as Pakistan, this is an utterly bizarre and absolute reversal on every level. Viewing that, it's a decision that was obviously made very purposefully, and came from a section of command that made that decision in order to prevent further exposure to the assets in play.

(4) In continuation of that train, it literally makes zero sense as a command decision from the perspective of POTUS to NOT respond with maximum force to the news of the attack, EVEN if they did in fact think it was related to that idiotic video (which did in fact case many many many dozens of violent protests in a great many locations). Either way, the logical thing to do would be to immediately respond in full. Yes this did not happen. Why do you suppose that is? Quite obviously because the actual story about the clandestine operations and assets in play mandated the minimization of the situation by all possible means, and deference was given to CIA on the issue.

Politics dirties the clear viewing of this situation. Personally, I am a classical conservative who detests the majority of what Obama and his allies have done, particularly of late. Assaulting the 2nd amendment, busting the budget, the ludicrous ACA, very poor record on protecting civil liberties, poor transparency, and so on.

That said, it's utterly idiotic to look at the situation and think what the current FNC talking points are :

State department ignored threats, put people at risk, didn't try to rescue them, then tried to 'cover it up' for political reasons. None of that makes sense, because of the reasons above. Number one, they knew damned well what they were doing (that's why they were in Benghazi anyway, even though it's not remotely as important geopolitically as Tripoli). Number two, the people at risk were for the most part there to serve, and understood their mission, though one can fairly say that one civilian was possibly over his head. Number three, it makes zero sense NOT to rescue them, or attempt rescue, if you are looking at the situation through a political lens.

Think about it from the political perspective if you want, and ask yourself : through the prism of the '12 election, would Obama have looked bad if he had launched a full armed response to the attack, complete with scrambled air support, armed drones, and exfil? Even if the rescue was only moderately successful (given the relatively weak nature of the attackers, it probably would have been incredibly successful), it would have been neutral at best during the election, and given the media spin, probably a net positive for Obama. Yet no rescue order came, when this POTUS has shown to be almost reckless with his trigger finger.
 

ChunkiMunki

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Embassy security is provided by the host country. If that is not adequate, you shouldn't have an embassy there. Any rescue attempt was vetoed by defense professionals at the location, so any hind site opinions by others is just that. There was various rioting around the Arab world over the youtube video during this time, so assuming the Benghazi attack was more of the same is logical. Additional FOX News/Republican hammering over this issue is going nowhere.
 
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I find it hard to believe the press getting upset about this nonsense when they looked and still look the other way when it comes to 3000 Americans killed on American soil, 4000+ troupes killed on foreign soil, and countless innocent killed, all because cowboy GW wanted to play president.
So, sorry. Not buying your product republican wing nuts. No sale.

You moron. 4 Americans are dead and you don't care to find out what happened?

Pathetic.
 

IBMer

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You moron. 4 Americans are dead and you don't care to find out what happened?

Pathetic.

In the time it took you to spell check and type that small post, I am sure more than 4 Americans died, why don't you care about them as well?
 

waggy

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You moron. 4 Americans are dead and you don't care to find out what happened?

Pathetic.

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to many are willing to ignore this. or buy the line the govenment is giving "it was long ago" etc. fuck that

it needs to be investigation and found out why/how this happened. I said the same with the BS "information" that lead to teh war. Though it seems it was bad intelligence. if so why wasn't it double and triple checked?
 

palehorse

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In the time it took you to spell check and type that small post, I am sure more than 4 Americans died, why don't you care about them as well?
At the hands of terrorists? If those four deaths in that minute were murders, don't you think they should be investigated to the fullest extent possible? And, if they were the result of negligence, shouldn't those responsible for said negligence be held accountable?

At minimum, shouldn't those murderers be found and brought to justice?

You do realize that the Benghazi attack resulted in the the first murder of a US Ambassador in over three decades, right?

Those of you who are downplaying or outright dismissing this attack make me f'n sick...
 
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Bowfinger

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At the hands of terrorists? If those four deaths in that minute were murders, don't you think they should be investigated to the fullest extent possible? And, if they were the result of negligence, shouldn't those responsible for said negligence be held accountable?

At minimum, shouldn't those murderers be found and brought to justice?

You do realize that the Benghazi attack resulted in the the first murder of a US Ambassador in over three decades, right?

Those of you who are downplaying or outright dismissing this attack make me f'n sick...
And it is being investigated. It's the Issa three-ring witch hunt and propaganda mill that is diverting America's focus.
 

wirednuts

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In the time it took you to spell check and type that small post, I am sure more than 4 Americans died, why don't you care about them as well?

i wholeheartedly agree with this... especially when the attacks were sporadically spawned by riots. im a lot more interested to what happened to that fertilizer plant in texas.
 

Matt1970

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/sigh

More than that, I expressly allowed that the White House might have been directly involved but was smart enough to avoid a written trail. That's not the point. The point is this ABC story that had some of the boys soiling themselves in glee does not prove what they think it proves. Indeed, it explicitly contradicts one of their key allegations, that the "Internet tape" talking point came from the White House. It also documents a plausible alternative explanation of the revisions, contradicting their claims this was all about the election. In short, for those who can read for themselves, the ABC story is simply not the smoking gun the Obama haters crave.

You're doing it again. "It also documents a plausible alternative explanation of the revisions" Is that the nice way of saying the White House and the State Department lied to us? I will give you this, you do have a couple very mild criticism of the events, but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might be a duck.
 

Matt1970

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Not sure if you watched the news but there is some stuff in Libya that happened since 2008 you might want to catch up on before replying in this thread.

It started in 2008? Maybe you need to watch the news.
 
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