Obama lied about Benghazi

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Arkaign

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That diversion has already been tried several times in this thread, but I'll help you out anyways...
1. Is there any evidence to suggest that those attacks were the result of negligent decisions made at the Department of State?
2. More importantly, following those attacks, was anyone in the White House or DoS party to blatantly deceiving the world with regards to the identity of the attackers and the cause of the attack?
3. Were several months of CIA warnings consciously ignored by DoS officials prior to those attacks?
4. No US Ambassadors were killed.
5. How many requests for additional security were denied prior to reach of those attacks?

As you already knew before attempting to deflect, the outrage over the current Benghazi situation is a combination of all of the above. It is therefore dishonest and ridiculously amateur to attempt to compare it to any previous attack.

Again, though, I know that you knew all of that before you even posted...

It's partisan hackery for sure on both sides, but the point is valid : security of embassies (and consulates) was shown to be lacking before just as now.

Definitely 95% of the hype over Benghazi is easily partisan bullshit. It's the same thing round and round, just as there was ludicrous BS during the Bush years. If the standard held for embassy/consulate security responsibility is held solely at DoS/Executive branch level, then it's clearly partisan to ignore the Bush-era attacks and focus like a crazy person on Benghazi.

The real story on Benghazi, and what I don't think anyone will really be happy about, is that they were burned by the CIA on it. Response to an attack is not directed as a military operation from either DoS or the White House, otherwise we'd be paralyzed constantly by problems in the chain of command. What is interesting to me is that the SOP for this kind of thing was completely blown, to a level that shows that it was deliberate. Accepting that, now you have to ask yourself why that decision was made. It's pretty clear that it wasn't a political decision, but rather a measured, cold choice that valued something else over those lives. It's clearly BS that we couldn't have done anything, at the very least getting security on site after the fact to collect the documents and materials on scene. Once you find out WHY they were burned, you will have the answers to the whole thing. The DoS and White House were bystanders to the whole thing, and the lack of an armed response is in complete contrast to the decisions they have shown to make on a constant basis (send in the SF, send armed drones, etc), as a general blueprint on their anti-terrorist tactics.

The cloud of bullshit on the issue is astonishing, and most of it is transparent partisan attacks focused on 'getting' Obama rather than anything related to finding the actual answers that matter.
 

palehorse

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I expect there were investigations. They were simply not reported by Fox and not turned into a circus by Democrats.
Either that, or no evidence of blatant White House deception was found. The attacks were reported on by every network in the world.

Nice try, though.

You know damn well what the issues are with the Admin's response to Benghazi, and the factors that make it unique, so why are you playing dumb?

I think we both know why.
 

nextJin

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I expect there were investigations. They were simply not reported by Fox and not turned into a circus by Democrats.

Or there were investigations and there was no shady business being done behind closed doors. Investigations don't really hit the news until the story does not add up or major issues are found out during said investigations.

If there was no editing of the talking points I'd imagine this story would have went away fairly quickly.
 

VRAMdemon

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Here's a good measure of how much people give a shit sbout this:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...ings-about-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers.html


Republican lawmakers asked increasingly tough questions today as they held another day of hearings to investigate, in the words of Rep. Darrell Issa (R-California), “Hillary Clinton’s suspiciously high poll numbers and what can be done to make them lower.”

“With the help of Fox News, we have brutally attacked Hillary Clinton for months, and yet she remains more popular than ever,” Rep. Issa said. “This committee needs to know how that happened, and how we can keep it from happening in the future.”
 

Balt

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More hyperbole:

Last week, fellow Republican Sen. James Inhofe suggested President Obama could be impeached for his role in the case.

"Of all the great cover-ups in history—we’re talking about the Pentagon Papers, the Iran-Contra, Watergate and all the rest of them—this is going to go down as the most serious, most egregious cover-up in American history," Inhofe said.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mccain-benghazi-cover-investigation-143339866.html
 

Matt1970

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More hyperbole:


Quote:
Last week, fellow Republican Sen. James Inhofe suggested President Obama could be impeached for his role in the case.

"Of all the great cover-ups in history—we’re talking about the Pentagon Papers, the Iran-Contra, Watergate and all the rest of them—this is going to go down as the most serious, most egregious cover-up in American history," Inhofe said.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/m...143339866.html

Yes, this is blowing it way out of proportion. Maybe they don’t realize that if you impeach Obama, we get President Biden
 

IGBT

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The CIA’s talking points, the ones that went out that Friday evening, were distributed via email to a group of top Obama administration officials. Forty-five minutes after receiving them, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland expressed concerns about their contents, particularly the likelihood that members of Congress would criticize the State Department for “not paying attention to Agency warnings.” CIA officials responded with a new draft, stripped of all references to Ansar al Sharia.

In an email a short time later, Nuland wrote that the changes did not “resolve all my issues or those of my building leadership.” She did not specify whom she meant by State Department “building leadership.” Ben Rhodes, a top Obama foreign policy and national security adviser, responded to the group, explaining that Nuland had raised valid concerns and advising that the issues would be resolved at a meeting of the National Security Council’s Deputies Committee the following morning. The Deputies Committee consists of high-ranking officials at the agencies with responsibility for national security​—​including State, Defense, and the CIA​—​as well as senior White House national security staffers. ABC News.
 

thraashman

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GarfieldtheCat

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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I don't like ANY of the bold-faced lies.

I voted for Obama in 2008 for that reason.

I can see your mind exploding from here...

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Funny how once Fox news reports on something, the same echo chamber here repeats all the talking points.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Here's a good measure of how much people give a shit sbout this:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...ings-about-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers.html

And the truth about this comes out...it's all about trying to win the 2016 race.

Y'all are getting trolled by Fox and the GOP, and once again, you buy it hook, line, and sinker.

GOP is afraid they will lose again, so they will continue to randomly fling shit for the next 3 years hoping something will magically stick. No facts needed or wanted.
 

unokitty

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From CNN:
We have four dead Americans. To date, nobody has been captured or killed. The terrorists are still on the run. And we have an increasing number of contradictions between what we were led to believe and what the witnesses say actually happened. It's hard to take any refutations of the testimony seriously given the impeccable credentials of the witnesses and the despicable record of misdirection from this administration.
From the Wall Street Journal
From the day of the attack until this week, the White House spin was too clever by half. In the weeks and months after the attack White House spokesmen said they were investigating the story, an internal review was under way. When the story blew open again, last week, they said it was too far in the past: "Benghazi happened a long time ago." Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, really said that.

Think of that. They can't give answers when the story's fresh because it just happened, they're looking into it. Eight months later they don't have anything to say because it all happened so long ago.

Think of how low your opinion of the American people has to be to think you can get away, forever, with that.
The only winner at Benghazi was al Qaeda.

That is, unless you consider the Obama administrations stonewalling a victory as well.

Uno
 

Bowfinger

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Either that, or no evidence of blatant White House deception was found. The attacks were reported on by every network in the world.

Nice try, though.

You know damn well what the issues are with the Admin's response to Benghazi, and the factors that make it unique, so why are you playing dumb?

I think we both know why.
Wait, I thought this was about the four Americans who died. You spent several posts pontificating about how that's all that really mattered. Funny how your focus has shifted once it's revealed there have been 13 previous attacks with 50+ deaths.

Well OK, but it's really about the fact this administration isn't attempting to find the attackers ... or at least that's what you insinuated multiple times. Right? Yet when I asked you repeatedly to support that insinuation, you ran away. I expect you'll do so again now that I called you on it. Again.

Or is it now your story that this is an issue of Obama and Rice "lying" that the attacks were tied to the YouTube video and they doctored the talking points? Oh wait, damn. That claim came from the CIA, right from the beginning.

Oh, no, no. It's that Obama refused to send those four Special Forces men from Tripoli, and wouldn't send fighter jets that were (purportedly) only an hour away. Right? Oops, that was the Pentagon that told the Tripoli forces to stay put and defend the embassy, not Obama, and the Pentagon that said the closest fighters were five hours away in Italy.

So, when we eliminate all the false allegations coming from the nutter partisan hacks, what we're seemingly left with is inter-agency squabbling between the CIA and State. For the umpteenth time, that is not commendable behavior at all, and it legitimately deserves criticism. It is not a scandal, however, and it did not lead to the deaths of those four men.

By the way, you were right about that, before you reverted to hackery. We should be focused on the terrorists who killed those men rather than trying to score political points for the RNC. That's what Americans should be angry about.
 
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monovillage

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And the truth about this comes out...it's all about trying to win the 2016 race.

Y'all are getting trolled by Fox and the GOP, and once again, you buy it hook, line, and sinker.

GOP is afraid they will lose again, so they will continue to randomly fling shit for the next 3 years hoping something will magically stick. No facts needed or wanted.

umm dumbshit you did know that that's a news parody blog? (hint) "the news reshuffled"?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullible
 

Bowfinger

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By the way, be sure to catch Issa on Meet the Press today. He's in his usual shameless liar mode. I especially enjoyed this exchange (greatly paraphrased, because I don't have a transcript):

Setting: Gregory is talking to Issa, seemingly one-on-one

Gregory: (discussion about Ambassador Pickering's investigation, and how it arrived at very different conclusions)
Issa: Then why wouldn't Pickering testify at my hearings? He refused to appear.
(Off-camera voice): Dude! I'm right here. I wanted to appear and you refused.

(Camera pulls back. Ambassador Pickering, the next guest, is also at the table, off camera)

Issa: Well, umm, there are protocols that need to be followed. Herp, derp.


Yes, Issa lied about Pickering with Pickering sitting a few feet away, and blatantly lied stating Pickering "refused to appear". Issa is the lowest of the low. It's no wonder the nutter fringe loves him.
 
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Jaskalas

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The cloud of bullshit on the issue is astonishing, and most of it is transparent partisan attacks focused on 'getting' Obama rather than anything related to finding the actual answers that matter.

The crime is Obama / state department's cover up.
 

fskimospy

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That diversion has already been tried several times in this thread, but I'll help you out anyways...
1. Is there any evidence to suggest that those attacks were the result of negligent decisions made at the Department of State?

There's no evidence that the Benghazi attack was the result of negligence by the DoS. Not only were the majority of the officials at the embassy CIA officials, but the CIA was the one in charge of organizing the rapid reaction force of local militia that never showed up.

2. More importantly, following those attacks, was anyone in the White House or DoS party to blatantly deceiving the world with regards to the identity of the attackers and the cause of the attack?

That's definitely not more important. The US government deceives people all the time. The idea that somehow the talking points put out on sunday news shows immediately following the incident that were corrected over time is a bigger deal is just absurd.

3. Were several months of CIA warnings consciously ignored by DoS officials prior to those attacks?

As stated above, apparently the CIA thought they had it in hand too.

4. No US Ambassadors were killed.
5. How many requests for additional security were denied prior to each of those attacks?
As you already knew before attempting to deflect, the outrage over the current Benghazi situation is a combination of all of the above. It is therefore dishonest and ridiculously amateur to attempt to compare it to any previous attack.

Again, though, I know that you knew all of that before you even posted...


You don't really believe that this is the reason for right wing outrage, do you? At least you guys appear to be dropping the complaint about the military not helping enough. By the way, did you see Robert Gates' statements about the idea that sending in special forces would have been the right thing to do?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-3460_162-57584087.html

uggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."

"I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.

Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."

Gates said he could not speak to allegations that the State Department refused requests for additional security in the months prior to the attack. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been increasingly targeted for criticism by Republicans for her handling of the crisis and the government's response, with some even raising the possibility that the State Department engineered a coverup to protect her political future.

But when Gates was asked whether he thought that might be a possibility, he replied flatly, "No."

Apparently either a whole lot of Republican appointed officials REALLY love Obama or people who don't know what they are talking about are flailing desperately.
 

umbrella39

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I'm embarrassed for the GOP fanbois in here who, when I signed up near 10 years ago could articulate why they were so attached to Bushes nuts with full sentences and actual arguments, albeit them weak ones. Now in the year 2013 this place has turned into a cesspool of hatred, hyperbole, and FAIL. The people you have elected have turned into robot morons hell bent on distraction and destruction whose only job seem to be trying to find shit to get pissed off about no matter how faux that rage might be and if that faux outrage is about Obama... when then that's bonus points. How many more times can the goal posts be moved on a daily basis? How confusing it must be to be a mindless drone waiting for your next oft changing marching orders to come from you talking head masters. Pathetic sheep. Shadows of your formers selves and now just Teanderthals and Paul libertard trolls...
 
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Balt

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"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."

I wish more people would get this through their heads. The Battle of Mogadishu demonstrated pretty clearly that special forces aren't invincible, particularly if they are sent into a volatile situation with little or no information. Their safety has to be considered too.
 
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IGBT

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The major substantive changes came Friday evening, after a State Department official expressed concerns about criticism from members of Congress, and Saturday morning, following the Deputies Committee meeting, where, according to internal Obama administration emails, officials further revised the talking points.

What’s clear is that the final version did not reflect the views of the top intelligence official on the ground in Benghazi, who had reported days earlier that the assault had been a terrorist attack conducted by jihadists with links to al Qaeda. ABC News.
 
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