Obama & McCain EQUAL in polls?

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Who are they polling anyways? It seems almost impossible to fathom that 50% of Americans want McCain.... I mean CMON! Have they SEEN him speak? Have they READ his policies???

You know, the exact same things can be said about Obama.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

No because Ford's performance was dismal and Carter was basically unkown. They showed good judgment not re-electing him. Unfortunately after Bush's dismal performance They showed poor judgment re-electing him.

Ford was not President long enough to even judge if his performance was dismal. I know you are very partisan, but it is hard to take people seriously that will not look past their own biases long enough to make an honest assessment of something.

Edit:

Funny you did not take me to task when I said that Kerry lost for talking down to the American people.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: marincounty
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

I hate it when people are so bitter that they say the American voter is stupid because they did not elect their candidate. Does that mean the American Voter was stupid for picking Carter over Ford in light of his dismal performance as President?

John Kerry lost because of his condescending attitude, his constant flip flopping and double speak. He also handled the Swift Boat incident horribly. The American people will not stand to be talked down to by a politician. Obama better learn this early on or he will lose to McCain also. So far he has managed to piss off the wrong demographic of Americans. Obama better start wooing the so called bitter gun toting, bible thumping small town voter he has so far despised. If not he will lose key states like Pennsylvania, West Virgina, Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Edited to change Minnesota to Wisconsin.

Unfortunately a lot of Americans need to be talked down to by politicians. Unfortunately those people who will stand up and do that consequently won't get elected.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

No because Ford's performance was dismal and Carter was basically unkown. They showed good judgment not re-electing him. Unfortunately after Bush's dismal performance They showed poor judgment re-electing him.

Ford was not President long enough to even judge if his performance was dismal. I know you are very partisan, but it is hard to take people seriously that will not look past their own biases long enough to make an honest assessment of something.

Have to agree. Ford didn't have enough time in office for anyone to get to know him. Guess the pardon did him in. That and the fact that RR had his own agenda which didn't include Ford.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Unfortunately a lot of Americans need to be talked down to by politicians. Unfortunately those people who will stand up and do that consequently won't get elected.

I don't agree with this since most politicians are lying cheating hypocrites who have no morals and are dumb as a rock when it comes to what really matters to real people.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Who are they polling anyways? It seems almost impossible to fathom that 50% of Americans want McCain.... I mean CMON! Have they SEEN him speak? Have they READ his policies???

You know, the exact same things can be said about Obama.

No, because supporters and detractors of Obama alike never take the time to read his policies

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Unfortunately a lot of Americans need to be talked down to by politicians. Unfortunately those people who will stand up and do that consequently won't get elected.

I don't agree with this since most politicians are lying cheating hypocrites who have no morals and are dumb as a rock when it comes to what really matters to real people.

True, in hindsight I don't agree with it either.
Most Americans need to be talked down to by someone well educated who can point out why they're idiots, not by politicians. I was focusing on the talking down rather than the politicians, and made a mistake by equating the two, although Obama speaks more sense than most, but he's far from perfect.

 

[TheSlamma]

Have you driven anywhere in this country? this place has a LOT of backwoods rednecks all across it and they only vote red.

 

[sao123]

I like some of what Obama intends to do... however, I will not vote for any candidate who will not fully fund our space exploration goals & programs... he has twice already said he intends to delay our Constellation program by 5 years to redirect that funding to education... Education will suffer without those same space programs he is trying to underfund.

If anything, NASA should recieve the full 7% of our federal budget like it was recieving back in the 70's, indead of the .85% it currently recieves today.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Who are they polling anyways? It seems almost impossible to fathom that 50% of Americans want McCain.... I mean CMON! Have they SEEN him speak? Have they READ his policies??? What are the pollsters getting at? Ratings in the mainstream media to keep the audience watching??

I mean honestly, I see come election time: McCain 70. Obama 200. Landslide all the way...

You sound like Dukakis supporters in 1988.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: sao123
I like some of what Obama intends to do... however, I will not vote for any candidate who will not fully fund our space exploration goals & programs... he has twice already said he intends to delay our Constellation program by 5 years to redirect that funding to education... Education will suffer without those same space programs he is trying to underfund.

If anything, NASA should recieve the full 7% of our federal budget like it was recieving back in the 70's, indead of the .85% it currently recieves today.

So you won't be voting for anyone I take it? I don't know of a single candidate who has advised dramatically increasing the budget for NASA from its current level. And, as much as I like the idea of space exploration, space travel, weekend trips to Mars and whatnot, given that we have found very little in our exploration of space thus far that is tangibly useful here on Earth, I have to view it as something of a luxury. Education, health care, transportation, social security, paying off the national debt, even military spending, all seem more important in terms of real-world practicality.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Unfortunately a lot of Americans need to be talked down to by politicians. Unfortunately those people who will stand up and do that consequently won't get elected.

I don't agree with this since most politicians are lying cheating hypocrites who have no morals and are dumb as a rock when it comes to what really matters to real people.

True, in hindsight I don't agree with it either.
Most Americans need to be talked down to by someone well educated who can point out why they're idiots, not by politicians. I was focusing on the talking down rather than the politicians, and made a mistake by equating the two, although Obama speaks more sense than most, but he's far from perfect.

This is exactly the problem democrats face. The smug attitude that education is actually worth anything. Look at Korea, it has one of the most rigorous education systems in the world, and what you get are over-educated entitlement mentality college educated cashiers.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Lonyo

True, in hindsight I don't agree with it either.
Most Americans need to be talked down to by someone well educated who can point out why they're idiots, not by politicians. I was focusing on the talking down rather than the politicians, and made a mistake by equating the two, although Obama speaks more sense than most, but he's far from perfect.

This is exactly the problem democrats face. The smug attitude that education is actually worth anything. Look at Korea, it has one of the most rigorous education systems in the world, and what you get are over-educated entitlement mentality college educated cashiers.

Wow you're really full of great ideas today! Education level is the single largest predictive factor in future income that you can control.

 

[jpeyton]

Edged up in the polls today.

Obama was also polled higher on the economy than McCain, which is the single biggest issue for voters this fall.

The second biggest issue is Iraq, and CNN just put out another hit piece showing that the war will cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion.

All in all, a good day.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: sao123
I like some of what Obama intends to do... however, I will not vote for any candidate who will not fully fund our space exploration goals & programs... he has twice already said he intends to delay our Constellation program by 5 years to redirect that funding to education... Education will suffer without those same space programs he is trying to underfund.

If anything, NASA should recieve the full 7% of our federal budget like it was recieving back in the 70's, indead of the .85% it currently recieves today.

So you won't be voting for anyone I take it? I don't know of a single candidate who has advised dramatically increasing the budget for NASA from its current level. And, as much as I like the idea of space exploration, space travel, weekend trips to Mars and whatnot, given that we have found very little in our exploration of space thus far that is tangibly useful here on Earth, I have to view it as something of a luxury. Education, health care, transportation, social security, paying off the national debt, even military spending, all seem more important in terms of real-world practicality.

you've got to be absolutely joking...
while there may be be any direct benefit from a trip to the moon or mars itself...
the technologies developed along the way to facilitate the trip will have endless impact on
life as you know it. a Majority of all of the technologies and things you currently use and benefit from now are a result of our previous spaceflight accomplishments...

Nasa has devoted a site to spin-off awareness to document and fight the very attitude that we waste money going to space with little to no benefit.

I question the leadership ability of anyone wno cannot see the importance of our space program to both the technological/science frontier and our national security.