Obama reverses abortion-funding policy

HendrixFan

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The rule prohibited government money going to organizations that gave abortion as an option. There was never any money being used to subsidize abortions.

"no federal funds may be used to pay for abortions that are not allowed by current law (the Hyde Amendment, which makes exceptions in the case of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the woman). The only funds that may be used to pay for other abortion services are from private funds generated by the policyholders' premiums, whether the policyholder is covered by a private plan or the public option"
 

HendrixFan

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Wading through some links off of google the best info I could find on this "reversal" (since there is no actual link anywhere) is that they are claiming that money is being sent to an insurance plan, and the insurance plan covers abortion.
 

shira

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Your post is a lie. Obama didn't reverse "HIMSELF." He reversed a Reagan-era policy restricting INTERNATIONAL family-planning services that use U.S. funds from offering abortion services.

As to the Christian News Wire article, that too is a lie. Obama's executive order barred the health insurance exchanges created under Obamacare from providing abortion services; it did not bar state-sponsored insurance pools that use federal funds from providing abortion services. Read the executive order:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...-affordable-care-acts-consistency-with-longst

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your propaganda.
 

Atreus21

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Abortions have been tax-funded long before this. Planned Parenthood gets a whole pile of it.
 
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It's a shame that the federal government doesn't subsidize abortions for poor women. Government-funded abortion wouldn't cost the government anything! Why is that? Because the cost savings over 18 years of having to care for one less impoverished child would save the government tens of thousands of dollars in terms of welfare, health care, education costs, and sometimes criminal justice costs.

The real outrage is the fiscal irresponsibility of not subsidizing abortion.

Our nation's financial interests are thus being held captive by fundamentalist Christian ideology.
 

HendrixFan

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Abortions have been tax-funded long before this. Planned Parenthood gets a whole pile of it.

Not true at all. Find anything proving this and it will be a breakthrough for the conservative talking points.

Planned Parenthood gets money, but not for abortions. Abortions have to be paid for by the individuals receiving them. The limitation put in place by GWB was that anyplace that listed abortion as an alternative when providing counsel wouldn't be able to receive government funding. Their funding was stripped not because the government wouldn't pay for abortions, but rather because they told young women that it was possible.
 

Atreus21

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It's a shame that the federal government doesn't subsidize abortions for poor women. Government-funded abortion wouldn't cost the government anything! Why is that? Because the cost savings over 18 years of having to care for one less impoverished child would save the government tens of thousands of dollars in terms of welfare, health care, education costs, and sometimes criminal justice costs.

The real outrage is the fiscal irresponsibility of not subsidizing abortion.

Our nation's financial interests are thus being held captive by fundamentalist Christian ideology.

That is truly sick.
 

Nebor

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It's a shame that the federal government doesn't subsidize abortions for poor women. Government-funded abortion wouldn't cost the government anything! Why is that? Because the cost savings over 18 years of having to care for one less impoverished child would save the government tens of thousands of dollars in terms of welfare, health care, education costs, and sometimes criminal justice costs.

The real outrage is the fiscal irresponsibility of not subsidizing abortion.

Our nation's financial interests are thus being held captive by fundamentalist Christian ideology.

Also the military being barred from providing abortions is a travesty. You have soldiers accidentally getting pregnant in a combat zone, and left with the choice of either coming forward and being flown back to Germany or the states to pay for a private abortion, thus taking a huge hit to their career, or self-aborting, which a shocking amount of women attempt.

Dear religious right, please move to Iran, they feel you.
 

xj0hnx

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Also the military being barred from providing abortions is a travesty. You have soldiers accidentally getting pregnant in a combat zone, and left with the choice of either coming forward and being flown back to Germany or the states to pay for a private abortion, thus taking a huge hit to their career, or self-aborting, which a shocking amount of women attempt.

Dear religious right, please move to Iran, they feel you.

Accidentally getting pregnant? Slipped and fell on his penis huh? Not only should they not provide them with abortions, they should get a court martial like everyone else that disobeys general orders in combat zones. And it doesn't have anything to do with the "religious right", it has to do with having only a certain amount of troops in country, and getting pregnant can jeopardize the mission.
 
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shira

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Accidentally getting pregnant? Slipped and fell on his penis huh? Not only should they not provide them with abortions, they should get a court martial like everyone else that disobeys general orders in combat zones. And it doesn't have anything to do with the "religious right", it has to do with having only a certain amount of troops in country, and getting pregnant can jeopardize the mission.

Of course, birth control is 100% effective and is always used 100% correctly. Because soldiers are never inebriated.
 

Fear No Evil

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The sign that we are truly growing as a society.. free and plentiful abortions for all! Thank god we are moving out of the dark ages and our enlightenment is making it easier and cheaper to scrape unwanted children out of our bodies! Maybe we could have government abortion-mobiles driving around offering them up for any women they see?

/Facepalm
 

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I don't have a problem with gov't funds going to pay for abortions as long as forced sterilizations are administered afterwards.
 
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The sign that we are truly growing as a society.. free and plentiful abortions for all! Thank god we are moving out of the dark ages and our enlightenment is making it easier and cheaper to scrape unwanted children out of our bodies! Maybe we could have government abortion-mobiles driving around offering them up for any women they see?

/Facepalm

You're missing something. The fetuses are NOT children. They don't have personalities; they are really just growths inside of women that have the potential to become people some day. Abortion thus isn't murder; there's no person inside the fetus.

The only way you would end up believing that a fetilized egg or fetus with a still very developing brain could possibly have a personality is if you believe that a magic God-being "breathes" a "soul" into it.
 

Atreus21

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You're missing something. The fetuses are NOT children. They don't have personalities; they are really just growths inside of women that have the potential to become people some day. Abortion thus isn't murder; there's no person inside the fetus.

The only way you would end up believing that a fetilized egg or fetus with a still very developing brain could possibly have a personality is if you believe that a magic God-being "breathes" a "soul" into it.

At what point does a baby become a human being, then?
 

Specop 007

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It's a shame that the federal government doesn't subsidize abortions for poor women. Government-funded abortion wouldn't cost the government anything! Why is that? Because the cost savings over 18 years of having to care for one less impoverished child would save the government tens of thousands of dollars in terms of welfare, health care, education costs, and sometimes criminal justice costs.

The real outrage is the fiscal irresponsibility of not subsidizing abortion.

Our nation's financial interests are thus being held captive by fundamentalist Christian ideology.

Why not cut funding to the abortions AND the poor impoverished children?
 

shira

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The sign that we are truly growing as a society.. free and plentiful abortions for all! Thank god we are moving out of the dark ages and our enlightenment is making it easier and cheaper to scrape unwanted fetuses out of our bodies! Maybe we could have government abortion-mobiles driving around offering them up for any women they see?

/Facepalm

Fixed that for you. Because I know how committed to the unadulterated truth you are.
 

Elias824

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It's a shame that the federal government doesn't subsidize abortions for poor women. Government-funded abortion wouldn't cost the government anything! Why is that? Because the cost savings over 18 years of having to care for one less impoverished child would save the government tens of thousands of dollars in terms of welfare, health care, education costs, and sometimes criminal justice costs.

The real outrage is the fiscal irresponsibility of not subsidizing abortion.

Our nation's financial interests are thus being held captive by fundamentalist Christian ideology.
+1

Yes I'm an immoral jerk.
 

Fear No Evil

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You're missing something. The fetuses are NOT children. They don't have personalities; they are really just growths inside of women that have the potential to become people some day. Abortion thus isn't murder; there's no person inside the fetus.

The only way you would end up believing that a fetilized egg or fetus with a still very developing brain could possibly have a personality is if you believe that a magic God-being "breathes" a "soul" into it.

I never said a word about 'murder', 'god', 'personalities'.. any of those bullshit talking points. Are abortions really a GOOD thing for society? Is it something that we should be striving to encourage, make cheaper, make easier, etc? Is it a critical part of us evolving as a society that we make it as easy as possible to get abortions?

There's no 'person' to a dog either. Yet we protect them. There's retarded people who have little to no personality, yet we protect them.. we protect prematurely born children.. hell, we protect these 'growths' inside of women after a certain point now. Why do we do that currently?

Why do we charge people with multiple homicides if they murder someone with one of the growths inside of them? Your points are all silly. I don't give a crap what you want to call a baby.. I'm saying its not a POSITIVE thing for society to encourage people to get free and plentiful abortions with no consequences. I think it HURTS us, it makes us LESS human.. it makes us respect life less.
 

shira

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You're missing something. The fetuses are NOT children. They don't have personalities; they are really just growths inside of women that have the potential to become people some day. Abortion thus isn't murder; there's no person inside the fetus.

The only way you would end up believing that a fetilized egg or fetus with a still very developing brain could possibly have a personality is if you believe that a magic God-being "breathes" a "soul" into it.

No, no, no. Don't tell FNE this. FNE honestly sees a two-week-old clump of cells as being identical to baby in a perambulator.
 

Carmen813

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I never said a word about 'murder', 'god', 'personalities'.. any of those bullshit talking points. Are abortions really a GOOD thing for society? Is it something that we should be striving to encourage, make cheaper, make easier, etc? Is it a critical part of us evolving as a society that we make it as easy as possible to get abortions?

There's no 'person' to a dog either. Yet we protect them. There's retarded people who have little to no personality, yet we protect them.. we protect prematurely born children.. hell, we protect these 'growths' inside of women after a certain point now. Why do we do that currently?

Why do we charge people with multiple homicides if they murder someone with one of the growths inside of them? Your points are all silly. I don't give a crap what you want to call a baby.. I'm saying its not a POSITIVE thing for society to encourage people to get free and plentiful abortions with no consequences. I think it HURTS us, it makes us LESS human.. it makes us respect life less.

Is it a good thing for government to tell you what to do with regards to having a family?
 

xj0hnx

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Of course, birth control is 100% effective and is always used 100% correctly. Because soldiers are never inebriated.

They aren't inebriated in a combat zone, if they are then they need to be court martial for that too. It isn't about soldiers in garrison, it's about deployed soldiers.
 
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