Oblivion benchmarked again.

[Zebo]

The sadest part is 1900 is almost twice as fast as what I'm using now a 7800GTX..and is twice as fast where it counts in the folliage where frame rates drop to forcing ini editing like turning off grass.

1600x1200

Folliage
14.1 (totally unplayable) vs 27.3

Mountians
31.7 vs 46.7

Indoors
67.3 vs 84.7

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.


It appears something was broken in thier X-fire testing..stay tuned

UPDATE: It's come to our attention that CrossFire support can be forced by renaming the Oblivion.exe executable file to "AFR-FriendlyD3D.exe". We've confirmed that this fix works and we're in the process of re-running our CrossFire benchmarks now. We'll have updated performance numbers for CrossFire shortly.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Most GPU limited games gain about 50-60%, the highest Ive seen is somethin like 80%.

In some games, SLI scales much better than Crossfire:

Riddick
87% vs. 26%

SC:CT
86% vs 62%

FEAR
74% vs 6%

Who let Rollo back into AT?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Most GPU limited games gain about 50-60%, the highest Ive seen is somethin like 80%.

Not true- most vid card limited games is what you should have said. In a GPU limited game SLI should be in the ~90%-100% range faster- but finding a game that is just GPU limited is another mater.

 

[Ackmed]

Looks like Brandon saw the error of his ways. He removed the comment about the X1800XT availability.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Zebo

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.

Really? I'll have to check my task manager but I'm pretty sure things were about what I expected with my x850xt...when did you experience that?

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The sadest part is 1900 is almost twice as fast as what I'm using now a 7800GTX..and is twice as fast where it counts in the folliage where frame rates drop to forcing ini editing like turning off grass.

1600x1200

Folliage
14.1 (totally unplayable) vs 27.3

Mountians
31.7 vs 46.7

Indoors
67.3 vs 84.7

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.


It appears something was broken in thier X-fire testing..stay tuned

UPDATE: It's come to our attention that CrossFire support can be forced by renaming the Oblivion.exe executable file to "AFR-FriendlyD3D.exe". We've confirmed that this fix works and we're in the process of re-running our CrossFire benchmarks now. We'll have updated performance numbers for CrossFire shortly.

The Dark Side calls you Zebo....

A lot of guys have been hitting 700-725 on the core with air-cooling and 800-850 on the memory.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Most GPU limited games gain about 50-60%, the highest Ive seen is somethin like 80%.

In some games, SLI scales much better than Crossfire:

Riddick
87% vs. 26%

SC:CT
86% vs 62%

FEAR
74% vs 6%

thoes benchmaking was done old driver mr Wanbie Rollo or Mr Rollo :! performance has been tweaked :!
Splinter Cell ATI wins hands down .

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg...00_gtx_oc_7900_gt_oc_review/page15.asp
7900GTX is the BFG OC model..

FEAR 1024x768x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 125FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 73FPS <<< a huge drop don't you think...
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 119FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 112FPS

FEAR 1600x1200x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 87FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 40FPS <<< a huge drop again...
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 68FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 58FPS

Quake 4 Ultra Quality 1024x768x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 129FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 109FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 107.2FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 105.6FPS

Quake 4 Ultra Quality 1600x1200x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 113FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 88.6FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 104FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 74.3FPS

Half life 2 Lost Coast 1024x768x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 94.8FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 88.5FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 94.5FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 84.6FPS

HL2 Lost Coast w/HDR, 1600x1200x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 86.7FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 52.4FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 78.9FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 52FPS

HL2 Lost Coast w/HDR, 2048x1536x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 68.5FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 34FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 60.6FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 35.4FPS



But games like BF2 don't need SLI or Crossfire... Both offer work fine in IMO
Battlefield 2 2048x1536x32 4xAA 16xAF

7900GTX :66.6FPS
X1900XTX : 85.7FPS
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg...900_gtx_oc_7900_gt_oc_review/page7.asp

Why would you even bring this up? We were talking about percentage gain, and you start bitching about ATi drivers then link a bunch of stuff that doesnt even show increases because the settings change for CF... All i said was SLI can garner near 100% gains in GPU limited situations.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: Zebo
The sadest part is 1900 is almost twice as fast as what I'm using now a 7800GTX..and is twice as fast where it counts in the folliage where frame rates drop to forcing ini editing like turning off grass.

1600x1200

Folliage
14.1 (totally unplayable) vs 27.3

Mountians
31.7 vs 46.7

Indoors
67.3 vs 84.7

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.


It appears something was broken in thier X-fire testing..stay tuned

UPDATE: It's come to our attention that CrossFire support can be forced by renaming the Oblivion.exe executable file to "AFR-FriendlyD3D.exe". We've confirmed that this fix works and we're in the process of re-running our CrossFire benchmarks now. We'll have updated performance numbers for CrossFire shortly.

The Dark Side calls you Zebo....

A lot of guys have been hitting 700-725 on the core with air-cooling and 800-850 on the memory.

I'm H2O like U maybe more? Which card..I'll order Getting desperate here not seeing "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" like nV advertises

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Zebo

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.

Really? I'll have to check my task manager but I'm pretty sure things were about what I expected with my x850xt...when did you experience that?

It's true. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1827355&enterthread=y

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
That about sums it up. I think if I was huge Oblivion fan, I'd pick up a $430ish X1900XT and call it a day.

I'm grinning ear to ear having a X1900XT on the self from getting in on the Dell SB deal (~$350).

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Who let Rollo back into AT?

The Answer

 

[NoDamage]

Originally posted by: Zebo

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.

I think with ATI Tray Tools you can preserve the driver functionality without having to install the bloated Catalyst Control Center, so the memory consumption isn't too big of an issue.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Who let Rollo back into AT?

The Answer

LOL,.."my name is fallen angel!! dont spill my beer!!"


man i dont get wtf some of you guys selectively tell yourselves to actually believe in your personal agenda's,..might i suggest spending personal time with members of the opposite sex?

and the fact is crossfire scales close to as well as SLi about as often as i get oral sex from my girlfriend (yeah its honestly pretty non exsistant lol )

and if you dont give 2 squats about dual gpu config's,.. then hey thats cool whatever you wanna buy and use enjoy,but common sense dictates,.. it goes both ways .. kinda like some of you guys prolly do,...haha (j/k,... but not really)

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

LOL,.."my name is fallen angel!! dont spill my beer!!"


man i dont get wtf some of you guys selectively tell yourselves to actually believe in your personal agenda's,..might i suggest spending personal time with members of the opposite sex?

and the fact is crossfire scales close to as well as SLi about as often as i get oral sex from my girlfriend (yeah its honestly pretty non exsistant lol )

and if you dont give 2 squats about dual gpu config's,.. then hey thats cool whatever you wanna buy and use enjoy,but common sense dictates,.. it goes both ways .. kinda like some of you guys prolly do,...haha (j/k,... but not really)

Ok, that was uncalled for. Best left to Off Topic.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Elfear
Ok, that was uncalled for. Best left to Off Topic.

You've got to admit, the movie was funny.....

 

[morgash]

if i had to throw a guess after lookin at the review, i would say the MAIN reason for the results would be texture thrashing aka the 256mb video cards not having enough VRAM to hold everything and being forced to use the system RAM. it's quite obvious when u look at it, the framerates drop off HORRIBLY after the x1800xt because it is the last 512mb card. the 7800gtx is NOT a much slower card and the 7900gt is a little faster. the only real expanation is that the VRAM is just 2 small thereby leading us to the conclusion that a 256mb x1800xt would infact NOT be a better chocice than a 7900gt becasue its gonna do the exact same thing.

This becomes especially obvious when u throw the really high resolution and detail in where not even 512mb is enough. at this point the 512mb x1800 slows don t the 7800-7900 range becasue despite its higher RAM, its just not fast enough to hold with 24 pipes when memory size is no longer an issue. Pulling even with a card with half the RAM on a game this demanding should tell ya something, the G70/71 series is NOT showing its age, 256mb o VRAM IS

Morgash

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Elfear
Ok, that was uncalled for. Best left to Off Topic.

You've got to admit, the movie was funny.....

Oh the video was hilarious. My coworker and I got a good laugh over that. I was referring to GOREGRINDER's post.

 

[lhs0898]

A tough decision to make.

Buy X1800XT? may be only works well for Oblivion but not other games?

X1900XTX? not for a budget gamer...

7900GT? got defeated by ATI cards...

perhaps the best solution is to wait for X1900XL (not sure how long it will takes?? a month or so??).

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Zebo

So how high are these 1900XT's overclocking? May have to move to dark side again and watch drivers that use 100MB+ of ram.

Really? I'll have to check my task manager but I'm pretty sure things were about what I expected with my x850xt...when did you experience that?

It's true. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1827355&enterthread=y

Are you just talking with the CCC? Yeah, I just use ATT...not way I was installing that pig. I forgot about this thread yesterday when I was testing oblivion ram with task manager...but I believe my system was idling at ~75mb before loading anything (besides antivirus) which was about what I expected. I'll have to check again tonight to make sure, I wasn't really looking closely.

 

[Golgatha]

More benches.

 

[Ackmed]

Now Crossfire dominates the multi-card benches as well. In the most demanding part of the game, Foliage with 4xAA/8xAF 7900GTX SLI's maximum isnt even as high as X1900XT's minimum frames.

Pretty clear cut win in terms of frames for ATi in the hottest new game out. If the glitching is only a bug that can be ironed out, and is just a problem for FS, Crossfire is a much better way to play than SLI. I guess Ill try it and see if I have the same problems FS said they did.

edit, something interesting...

Guys I have something exciting coming very shortly today?. Feel free to write about it if you wish?.

Game: Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Situation: Game supports AA. Game supports HDR. Game don?t support both.

Introducing: later today?. The ?Chuck? patch? supporting HDR AND AA?

Last week I got an email from a 3d Developer of ours (by the name of Chuck) saying if I was interested in checking out a proof of concept driver he whipped up that enables HDR plus AA at the same time. Well ya!!!

So fast forward to now, thanks to Chuck Ati users can enjoy this game at a brand new level of Image Quality. It will knock your socks off.

Plus the Chuck Patch also supports AFR Crossfire mode giving gains up to 80%. I urge you to benchmark this yourself but here is what Chuck measured.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Now Crossfire dominates the multi-card benches as well. In the most demanding part of the game, Foliage with 4xAA/8xAF 7900GTX SLI's maximum isnt even as high as X1900XT's minimum frames.

Pretty clear cut win in terms of frames for ATi in the hottest new game out. If the glitching is only a bug that can be ironed out, and is just a problem for FS, Crossfire is a much better way to play than SLI. I guess Ill try it and see if I have the same problems FS said they did.

edit, something interesting...

Guys I have something exciting coming very shortly today?. Feel free to write about it if you wish?.

Game: Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Situation: Game supports AA. Game supports HDR. Game don?t support both.

Introducing: later today?. The ?Chuck? patch? supporting HDR AND AA?

Last week I got an email from a 3d Developer of ours (by the name of Chuck) saying if I was interested in checking out a proof of concept driver he whipped up that enables HDR plus AA at the same time. Well ya!!!

So fast forward to now, thanks to Chuck Ati users can enjoy this game at a brand new level of Image Quality. It will knock your socks off.

Plus the Chuck Patch also supports AFR Crossfire mode giving gains up to 80%. I urge you to benchmark this yourself but here is what Chuck measured.

Unfortunately, XBit has told us even one X1900XTX is an unbearable dustbuster!

For comparison, the Radeon X1900 XTX produces some noise even when its blower is working at a reduced speed, and when the speed is high, the noise is hardly bearable due to the irritating tone produced by the resonating plastic casing.

Now, with two of these little furnaces, you not only have to come up with 240W of power, but the heat dissipation will be kicking your dustbusters to higher levels more frequently. Big bonus- more hairdryer noise for your household, in a chorus.

Of course, that's not even the worst problem of Crossfire, the horrible defaults for all games that the user can't do anything about.

Oh well, you do get good Oblivion and and Super AA- but at what cost?

 

[darXoul]

Impressive, but I'd like to see another update to FS or Xbit Oblivion benchmarks for ATi (HDR + AA). I bet it's gonna be difficult to maintain a real playable frame rate in max details and a reasonably high resolution (in 1280*1024 it might be enough but anything above that is questionable).

Unfortunately, Brandon from FS claims that while Crossfire is the multi GPU performance king now (like it was predictable with an appropriate mode), it suffers from texture flashing. Other problems have been reported as well.

I've already ordered my GTX SLI and I don't regret it. In most games, I'd turn off HDR anyway, since it looks like fairy-tale'ish or surrealistic to me. I admit it can be nice in some games though, Oblivion being the prime example, judging from videos and screenshots. However, I'd rather play with AA + bloom than suffer a huge performance hit, which AA + HDR most likely produces.

Anyway, SLI is undoubtedly more mature, and incomparably quieter than CF. Therefore, this round goes to nVidia for me. However, I expect a strong focus on performance and features from those guys next time I do my periodic upgrade. I just want to justify my purchase with more than heatsink and driver/multi-GPU solution maturity as compared to ATi. OK, there IS better performance in some games like OpenGL in general... but unless they make some good efforts, ATi could easily score a touchdown next time

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: darXoul
Impressive, but I'd like to see another update to FS or Xbit Oblivion benchmarks for ATi (HDR + AA). I bet it's gonna be difficult to maintain a real playable frame rate in max details and a reasonably high resolution (in 1280*1024 it might be enough but anything above that is questionable).

Unfortunately, Brandon from FS claims that while Crossfire is the multi GPU performance king now (like it was predictable with an appropriate mode), it suffers from texture flashing. Other problems have been reported as well.

I've already ordered my GTX SLI and I don't regret it. In most games, I'd turn off HDR anyway, since it looks like fairy-tale'ish or surrealistic to me. I admit it can be nice in some games though, Oblivion being the prime example, judging from videos and screenshots. However, I'd rather play with AA + bloom than suffer a huge performance hit, which AA + HDR most likely produces.

Anyway, SLI is undoubtedly more mature, and incomparably quieter than CF. Therefore, this round goes to nVidia for me. However, I expect a strong focus on performance and features from those guys next time I do my periodic upgrade. I just want to justify my purchase with more than heatsink and driver/multi-GPU solution maturity as compared to ATi. OK, there IS better performance in some games like OpenGL in general... but unless they make some good efforts, ATi could easily score a touchdown next time

own3d

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Now Crossfire dominates the multi-card benches as well. In the most demanding part of the game, Foliage with 4xAA/8xAF 7900GTX SLI's maximum isnt even as high as X1900XT's minimum frames.

Pretty clear cut win in terms of frames for ATi in the hottest new game out. If the glitching is only a bug that can be ironed out, and is just a problem for FS, Crossfire is a much better way to play than SLI. I guess Ill try it and see if I have the same problems FS said they did.

edit, something interesting...

Guys I have something exciting coming very shortly today?. Feel free to write about it if you wish?.

Game: Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Situation: Game supports AA. Game supports HDR. Game don?t support both.

Introducing: later today?. The ?Chuck? patch? supporting HDR AND AA?

Last week I got an email from a 3d Developer of ours (by the name of Chuck) saying if I was interested in checking out a proof of concept driver he whipped up that enables HDR plus AA at the same time. Well ya!!!

So fast forward to now, thanks to Chuck Ati users can enjoy this game at a brand new level of Image Quality. It will knock your socks off.

Plus the Chuck Patch also supports AFR Crossfire mode giving gains up to 80%. I urge you to benchmark this yourself but here is what Chuck measured.

Unfortunately, XBit has told us even one X1900XTX is an unbearable dustbuster!

For comparison, the Radeon X1900 XTX produces some noise even when its blower is working at a reduced speed, and when the speed is high, the noise is hardly bearable due to the irritating tone produced by the resonating plastic casing.

Now, with two of these little furnaces, you not only have to come up with 240W of power, but the heat dissipation will be kicking your dustbusters to higher levels more frequently. Big bonus- more hairdryer noise for your household, in a chorus.

Of course, that's not even the worst problem of Crossfire, the horrible defaults for all games that the user can't do anything about.

Oh well, you do get good Oblivion and and Super AA- but at what cost?

Noise issue is a lot easier to fix than performance and lack of features