Wait. I was told over and over the movement wasn't about jobs? Even as it started about student loans and jobs?
Is it back to about jobs now? As they prevent people from doing their job?
She'd do a hell of a lot better if she went out and looked for a job instead of joined the #Occupy protest movement. So would any of the other people that had been laid off.
You couldn't give those people jobs if they were stapled to joints.Wait. I was told over and over the movement wasn't about jobs? Even as it started about student loans and jobs?
Is it back to about jobs now? As they prevent people from doing their job?
In order to properly address any political faction, the same measures must be taken regarding all.
You do not start taking individual comments from small factions within a loosely organized group and attribute them to all unless you do the same to all others.
But, in politics, people like to cherry-pick the most outrageous quotes and standings of an opponent and refuse to address the same outlandishness in their own.
#OWS seems to be settling in now, not a huge fad, but not something that is fading either. Even in that graph showing hits to ONE WEBSITE (ignoring that people are now using several different venues to communicate) shows the line is not really falling much anymore, but becoming more stable and level.
The biggest thing here will be to see if any of the issues raised become part of the political debate in the next election. Opponents will still try to discredit the messenger (regardless of the veracity of the message), but hopefully some will get through even to the most recalcitrant of detractors.
The OTHER key thing to look at would be the poor handling of the press and other individuals by the authorities. Public opinion is shifting in some areas (like NYC) as more viral vids come out showing cops threatening and arresting members of the press taking pictures of their actions. MOST communities support police action as a default. When that support starts to falter and the authorities start to be questioned by the GENERAL POPULOUS, it does not make for a strong position in the future.
This is not a group of Molotov-chucking anarchists we are seeing here. Bringing in riot cops fully decked out in riot gear and using things like chemical agents is not being received well.
You pepper spray one "conservative" at a rally, even accidentally, you lose 10 more from supporting your actions. They really need to step a bit more lightly in their "crackdown".
Agreed. There are so many groups and people that have come out of the woodwork. Way too many to take any single groups message and apply it to all of the people
They meaning a small portion of people at the protests, and not the entire group of people. This is the problem w\ saying THEY THEY THEY... you end up directing statements at people that they don't apply to.
We've seen now that banks are being sued for mortgage fraud, so it's not as if these people are making this stuff up. Sure, pay your bills. But there's plenty of cases of unscrupulous foreclosure practices.
Well said.My statements apply at a far greater number of OWS cry babies then you admit. You are lieing to yourself if this is about wall street.
Look at the data behind who's in the movement - 18-24 year old college students. Kids that grew up getting an award no matter what place they finished. Always called 'winners'. And told that no matter what they do, if they go to school they'll be buying BMW's left and right, have servants and maids etc etc. Then they met the real world and its not all roses.
So they are crying for freebies. Go read their forums. I do. Its all about hand outs.
I'm not defending wallstreet.
But unlike some here that would support Hitler if he was agaisnt wall street, I have a brain, and can think for my self. I'm not supporting a bunch of nut jobs, just because we have ONE common interest.
OWS is fading
each of their 'big' actions is getting less and less attention, and having fewer and fewer followers.
This latest 12/12 stunt barely even caused a bump. and if you look at the numbers they are not stable, still trending down.
But unlike some here that would support Hitler if he was agaisnt wall street, I have a brain, and can think for my self. I'm not supporting a bunch of nut jobs, just because we have ONE common interest.
Hell, if Hitler was reincarnated and was calling for the heads of wallstreet fraudsters and an end to corruption in the government I'd still back it.
Well said.
Michael 1980 : Your post reads like you just listened to somebody like Rush Limbaugh or Bill Oreilly to explain OWS to you.
You fail at reading comprehension. What I said was
Meaning I don't give a shit who anybody claims got the ball rolling on this thing. ( which you probably had no idea of the context being used, but ignorantly post about it regardless ) It's about stopping the business as usual curruption in government. Stopping criminals on wallstreet who have sent our country into a depression. How hard is that to grasp?
Its about getting people like Newt Gingrich out of government... you shouldn't be in a position where you're supposed to be serving the public and you're making millions of dollars serving corporations. That's not how it's supposed to work.
What did he say well? He described a tiny portion of people at OWS. You're one of the people who was pushing me to read that article about the guy starting OWS. That article clearly states their goals early on about getting money out of government, and ending government curruption.
As I've said many times before, you have all sorts at OWS. Now, people like you and Michael seem to be too short seighted to recognize this and you prefer to take a tiny sampling of protesters, and then pretend that your sampling represents 100% of the protesters. Of course, this isn't the case. But you still speak as if that is the case.
Therefore posts like the one you just made and that werepossum says " well said ! " are moot points because you're talking about a fraction as if it's the whole. If one black person steals your wallet, that doesn't make all black people bad people. ( but by your logic, you'd think the opposite )
You're still making it about how you feel it to be instead of what it really is.
Explain to me how shutting down ports is meant to stop the corruption? No, it's meant to HARM business and capitalism. THAT is what the movement is about, if you don't believe that after it's been spoon fed and proven to you then you'll never believe reality.
That "tiny portion" you're referring to just so happens to include those who created OWS, those who are the most influential/active members of the OWS General Assemblies, and those who are currently strategizing and organizing the entire movement's "more visceral" future phases.He described a tiny portion of people at OWS.
Exactly. A bunch of mindless parasites are helping to destroy their own gravy train whileYou're still making it about how you feel it to be instead of what it really is.
Explain to me how shutting down ports is meant to stop the corruption? No, it's meant to HARM business and capitalism. THAT is what the movement is about, if you don't believe that after it's been spoon fed and proven to you then you'll never believe reality.
Exactly. A bunch of mindless parasites are helping to destroy their own gravy train whilethinkingfeeling that they are doing something noble. It does not matter to them what any particular Occupiers do, or what the stated aims of the leadership might be; they've accorded themselves the high road and will excuse anything done in that name, no matter how laughably transparent.
Worse, they've been taught that capitalism is bad and socialism is good. It's not accidental that a plurality of students think that "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a quote from JFK.Useful idiots are called that for a reason. They are indeed useful. We're seeing history repeat itself again. My guess is the protesters never learned about what marx believed, why he held his beliefs to be true and how natural human motives and class warfare can be persuaded to his cause. Just like what's happening now.
Airdata, what do you think Lasn meant when he stated that the next planned phase of OWS will be "more visceral"?
That "tiny portion" you're referring to just so happens to include those who created OWS, those who are the most influential/active members of the OWS General Assemblies, and those who are currently strategizing and organizing the entire movement's "more visceral" future phases.
I don't care. OWS is too segmented for any one person to dictate what it does.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, eh?M1980, because that is something just about ANY in the street would confirm.
Also, the damn movement is called "Occupy Wall Street". You think they were protesting Bagel salesmen?
And they also Occupied a port, nominally because a firm on Wall Street owns a controlling interest in ONE of twenty-three shippers there. With that level of connection there is literally no part of capitalism they cannot direct their useful idiots to attack under the guise of attacking Wall Street.M1980, because that is something just about ANY in the street would confirm.
Also, the damn movement is called "Occupy Wall Street". You think they were protesting Bagel salesmen?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, eh?
Well gee, I'm sure that'll end well...